(FL) Man Shoots Attacking Pit Bulls Off Neighbor

[joab]

oh wait, it must have been a mixed breed, or maybe an abusive owner that turned the lovable pooches into dogs that attacked this man.

Do you have proof to the contrary other than the responsible reporting that we have come to expect from the media.

Are Alaskan Huskies considered to be a Wolf Hybrid?

Only when that same media is reporting on one of them biting someone. This will become more evident if Pits are banned.

I find the $50 fine suspect also.
My dog bit a kid that opened the gate to taunt him and my fines were more than $300, plus quarantine and responsible pet owners class, and a propensity notice.
That was for a single puncture "get out of my yard" nip on the butt.
Surprisingly to some here he is a Pit and did not try to eat the kid. simply bit him to get him off the property and came back and sat in the driveway, daring him to come back.

$50 is a "dog at large" fine, the standard fine for "bite to a human" is $257 for the first offense. My neighbor got the same fine because his dog killed a squirrel

 

[TCB in TN]

Large agressive dogs need

strong consistent training. I have owned several large agressive breeds, including pits and the majority are wonderful critters when worked and trained properly. Much like children in that way. The pits I have owned are very intelligent and willfull and need a lot of attention, and just like kids, when they don't get it during their formative period they can certainly become dangerous to the public at large. Also they need to be socialized to both other dogs, and to people outside the immediate family while young or they will become extremely protective/agressive towards outsiders as they mature. Overall I rate pits as about an 8 out of 10 for people who know what they are doing, and probably a 2 or 3 for those who don't.

 

[SSN Vet]

Wow...sm you have just taken .....

stream of consciousness to a new level.....

either that was increadibly profound and I need to study it for a week,

or you need to check you blood sugar

I think you were saying that NO inanimate object has the capacity to display intent and that ALL "critters" do have the capacity to display intent....and that they can act "out of character" when the environment is changed.

once upon-a-time.....I think everyone accepted this as common sence.

I agree 100%

even the New Hampshire state bird...the mosquito...has the capacity to display intent, as it smells out my CO2 and attempts to suck my blood. I know what to do when another critter attempts to spill my blood....

chose an appropriate tool (hands if need be) and SPLAT!!

 

[Q-Lock]

I wonder who decided these two dogs were in fact APBTs. Perhaps they are right...most likely I'm guessing they are wrong, once again.

I just love how any dog around 50-80lbs with strong jaws and defined muscles is automatically thought to be a "Pit Bull."

I have a 95lb Boxer/Great Dane mix and I've had numberous people ask me if she is a "pit bull"....although she looks nothing like one(if you know your rear end from your elbow with regards to canine breeds).

The owner is at fault here, obviously, and should be dealt with harshly! A well trained dog, no matter the breed, will not just decide to attack someone for no reason at all. It just so happens the APBT has a very strong will/drive and is also very strong physically...which is a bad combination when owned/trained by an absolute moron.

But then again...what medium-large breed dog is not dangerous when improperly trained/treated?

I just wonder what the whole story is here...what exactly happened?

Regards,

 

[mljdeckard]

I've said for years, the odds are small that I will ever use a gun to defend against a person. But I'd call it better than even money I will have to put down a dog one day. In the nastier parts of my town here, I see a lot of pits under varying degrees of control. Makes me notice my pistol in the holster.

There is a reason some homeowner's insurance carriers will not cover you if you own a Rott, a Dobie, a pit, a Chau, a german sheperd, etc. I have a dear friend who has a pit, and while she loves it, she won't be getting another one. (It did bite me once when I chased and caught it.) They are sweet, friendly, family dogs with locking jaws and a scary strength to weight ratio.

 

[30Cal]

If your dog is going to tear a kid limb from limb because it's not being choked to unconciousness, or the kid reaches for the food bowl, makes a sudden movement towards the owner, runs away or does any other typical kid behavior, then you're simply not in control of the dog. So what if your dog is well behaved when you've got it's full and undivided attention? How does the story hold up if the dog get's loose for whatever reason (let's say a drunk drives through your fence)? Hungry? Injured? Regardless of the breed/level of training, blah, blah, blah, if the dog is likely to cause life threatening injuries, you should be held liable for damages and neglegence when someone gets hurt.

There are certain kinds of dogs that I just won't give the benefit of the doubt to. When in doubt--shoot.

Ty

 

[jerkface11]

There are only 2 things you can count on at THR. The first is that cops will not be held responsible for their actions. The second is that dogs won't either.

 

[joab]

One you forgot jerkface

The media is to be unquestionally believed only if they are bashing LEOs or Pits

 

[orionengnr]

sm

No, to tell you the truth, I did not get much out of that, except a dismembered rant.

I will read any and all well-reasoned responses.

Best, Rich

 

[Q-Lock]

"dogs with locking jaws" - mljdeckard

- Just so you know, NO dog has locking jaws. They (APBT) have very strong jaws...but they do NOT have locking jaws, simply no such thing.

 

[romma]

I've said for years, the odds are small that I will ever use a gun to defend against a person.

I used to think so too... You may be surpised that as time goes by, and our relatively peaceful existence get's more challenged, that the odds will actually increase exponentially... JMHO

 

[freedom and guns]

This is just another reason why I hate dogs. All dogs should either be shot or fixed, no more stinkin' puppies. At least some states have legislation against attack dogs. SM, your rant is justified and appreciated.

 

[mljdeckard]

Pits don't have a literal cam lock, but yes, they are strong and tough enough to hold their jaw even when they are unconscious, and sometimes after death. I have SEEN a deat pit pulled off another dog, we had to break its jaw to get it off.

 

[Q-Lock]

mljdeckard, I agree with your last statement and I see what you meant. I've heard the generic "locking jaws" comment on numerous occasions and I see now exactly what you meant by it. My apologies.


"All dogs should either be shot or fixed, no more stinkin' puppies. At least some states have legislation against attack dogs." - freedom and guns

- I'll attempt to politely disagree with you on that one.

Some legislations' restrictions on dogs are as bad as their restrictions on guns. ANY dog can cause bodily harm to a human being. Any dog over 50-60lbs can knock you on your keister and cause you SERIOUS bodily harm. The whole "attack dog" terminology is biased as well. Damn the Doberman Pinscher (one of many "attack dogs") for being an intelligent and physically powerful breed...it's an attack dog...it's dangerous....my rear end!

There should be restrictions on dog ownership...not specific breeds. Ignorant dog owners are just as dangerous as ignorant gun owners. A properly trained/maintained dog is as harmless to an innocent bystander as a properly maintaned firearm is to a properly trained shooter.

There are things a dog owner must take responsibility for...hopefully this man will be forced to take responsibility for his dogs' actions.


rant off,

 

[mljdeckard]

My mother-in-law's beagle is 45 lbs, but we don't consider her a threat. When my kids see a basset hound, they point and say, "Sophie!". I have to explain to them, "Sophie isn't a basset hound. She's just so fat she looks like one."

I would love to own an Akita, an Airedale, or a German Shepard one day, but to do so, I don't want to lock it inside OR fence it in, which means I have to live far enough away from civilization, I don't have to worry about him eating the neighbor's chickens.

When I'm done with law school, I'll build my fortress out in the sagebrush, where I can shoot clay birds off my back deck and no one will care. THEN I'll have a large mutt or two.

 

[lionking]

QUOTE;This is just another reason why I hate dogs. All dogs should either be shot or fixed, no more stinkin' puppies.

OK,guess you don't like dogs,thats ok but its a sad statement though.
Dogs and humans have had a serving relationship for thousands of years to the benefit of both.Dogs haved helped humans in war,security,hunting and just affection.I know my dogs were important members of the family including the pitbull we had.
I generally trust the loyalty from dogs more as opposed to most humans except a couple lifelong friends I have.

 

[ilbob]

Dogs are interesting creatures, as are the people that own them. I find it ironic that often the owners that have the worst behaved (and most dangerous) dogs often rush to defend whatever breed of dog they happen to have.

The plain fact is that any dog can turn on anyone at any time. Some breeds are more aggressive that way, some are almost never that way unless trained to do so or have been abused, or are just plain scared cause they got out of the yard and are lost.

The dogs that almost never cause a problem are the ones that are well socialized to people and other critters. The ones kept on a chain because they are otherwise "uncontrollable" (or are left to themselves out in the yard 24/7) are especially likely to go nuts. Dog ownership takes time to be with and train both yourself and the dog. Someone unwilling to take that time, has a time bomb on their hands if they get any dog, especially one of the more aggressive ones.

BTW, I have a 14 year old arthritic beagle who got herself a rabbit last summer and a chipmunk this spring in the yard (mostly she is inside though). Not too bad for a dog that can barely claim stairs anymore and I have to pickup to put in the car.

 

[das028]

"This is just another reason why I hate dogs. All dogs should either be shot or fixed, no more stinkin' puppies"

Now theres a intelligent statement!

 

[Q-Lock]

I had to revise my comment towards "freedom and guns" for the sake of being somewhat civil...I'm glad others feel the same way as I do regarding comments as absurd as that.

Well stated ilbob! You put into words what I could not.

Regards,

 

[Limeyfellow]

My beagle beat up a doberman who went after it. He's helluva tough. Took it to the vet covered in blood and apparently none of it was his.

Airedale terriers are really clever. My sister in law's one is quite famous for taking cushions of the couch, taking the remote control and turning on the tv and laying down. Even my mother in law struggles with that at time, but the dog I don't have to worry about.

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

when you are out in the world you may not get a chance to check a large dogs pedigree or interview its owner about training techniques

Nor are you likely to have a good neighbor nearby with a shotgun. Good reason to be prepared.

Sounds like it's time for a civil lawsuit.

Sue for 10 million and get one million, happens all the time, and for less provocation.

Immediately, if not sooner, before the irresponsible owner files suit. Stupider things have happened in our legal system.

(Looking for that WC Fields quote about children and dogs...)

 

[Dr.Rob]

1. Great shot

2. Buy the neighbor a beer, or a shotgun that holds more than 1 shell.

3. all dogs evloved from wolves... ALL of them.

4. sm's post made me laugh.

 

[JohnBT]

A friend used to breed pit bulls and I've been around a bunch of them. All of them were well behaved except the one his sister had. That one was overly protective and more than a tad squirrelly. You did not want to walk up to her car and reach in to pet the nice doggie or stick your head in to say hi.

My friend's dog loved to bite down on the end of a 4- or 5-foot 2x4 and be 'flown' around and around. She'd hang on until you got dizzy from spinning.

I've often wondered if 8 .45 ACPs would be enough to stop one before it got its jaws on me. They're tough little beggars.

John