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FL Paper Publishes CCW List

Discussion in 'Legal' started by mattf7184, May 22, 2005.

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  1. mattf7184

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  2. gc70

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    Why be speechless? If you don't have a subscription to the website and can't read the article, how do you know what it says? You apparently assume that the article lists the names of CCW permit holders, but the intro to the article certainly does not say that.
     
  3. jfh

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    take another look, gc70...

    There's a 54-page NADS list in pdf format about two links below the teaser.
     
  4. Justin

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    THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL
    The following should be the standard response for when media outlets do this:

    1) Contact advertisers and air your displeasure. Tell them you will not be patronizing them.

    2)Dig up personal info, addresses, phone numbers, maps, photographs, town of residence, car model, and TerraServer satellite photos of domiciles for the newsroom and editorial staff. Print out and post in conspicuously public places. Better yet, post it on the internet.

    3)Finally, if you feel like it, call the editors and voice your displeasure. Do this preferably around dinner time, or after midnight if you are in a particularly bad mood.

    4)ALWAYS REMEMBER TO REMAIN POLITE, BUT FIRM. DO NOT MAKE THREATS.

    Infringements on one's right to privacy should be guarded just as zealously as the right to free expression and arms.
     
  5. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

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    Yep. The bulk of any newspaper's income is comprised of advertising dollars. Take those away, and the "reporters" are back flipping hamburgers.
     
  6. TonkinTwentyMil

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    There's a similar -- and longer -- thread on this topic on the THR "General" thread right now.

    Some very good response actions are discussed there.

    Second Amendment advocates simply cannot take this egregious breach of privacy by the Bliss-Ninnies lying down.
     
  7. jzzmusician

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    Thanks for posting that. I just sent the editor an email, (not an angry one) letting him know that I felt it was an irresponsible bit of journalism.

    jzzmusician
     
  8. jefnvk

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    Didn't a guy in Ohio dig up all the personal information of the Editor of a paper that did this, things like his address, and family member names, and kids schools, etc, and publish that information?
     
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    Simple solution.

    Publish the addresses of the editors of the paper and let nature take its course.

    For spite, add in pictures of all their family members plus where they go to school, etc.

    Oh noes the other foot doesnt like the shoe anymore!!!! :uhoh:
     
  11. Gray Peterson

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    Well I hope that this will inspire a closing of the CCW records to the public.
     
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    So it's safe to assume that these A**H**** published the CCW list for the entire state?

    I checked the listings and it appears that they "only" published the names of holders in the immediate surrounding counties. Boy, wasn't that "special".

    Letter going out to FL Sec. St. regarding need to close these files to FOIA requests.
     
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  13. dolanp

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    If someone loses their job or anything like that over this list I sure hope they sue the paper for lost wages and other damages.
     
  14. halvey

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    Reporters? Hah! They are out of work TV, playwright or novel writers.

    I know, I wend to journalism school then wised up.
     
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    It's good to have an unlisted FL permit. :cool:
     
  16. Dave P

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    Poll Results

    FYI: Here is there poll

    Poll >> Current Results
    More than 5,000 people in Santa Rosa, Okaloosa and Walton counties have permits to carry concealed weapons. Does this worry you?

    Yes

    (13%)
    No

    (87%)

    Here's what some people had to say...

    Why should there be permits for arms? The Bill of Rights covered that matter at the founding of the country.
    05/20/05 -- left by: Anonymous
    People with Concealed Weapon Permits don't worry me. It's the Convicted Felons that can't legally get one, and get a firearm illegally, that worry me. They are the reason that I have a concealed weapons permit, and also the reason that I became a firearms/personal protection instructor. I was not selected as a juror in a Federal Bank Robbery Case because I voiced my opinion that any convicted felon that gets a gun, is up to no good. That felon was one that was accused of robbing several banks in Okaloosa County, and other Counties by the way.
    05/20/05 -- left by: Anonymous
    I'm not worried about Joe Shmoe having a concealed gun. The only ones who should worry are those who would commit crimes. Which is kinda the idea behind concealed weapons. Make the fools worry so they won't do anything wrong.
    05/20/05 -- left by: Eruan
    If bad people have to worry that their potential victims may have a gun it might just make them think twice about robbing someone. If a bad person trys to rob someone and gets shot, the recovery period will a time the bad guy can not ply his trade. If the shot is properly effective the bad guy will not be a repeat offender and his mother will cry, "How could you? He was a good boy." "No Lady, your son was a piece of garbage and got what he deserved."
    05/21/05 -- left by: Anonymous
     
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    Managing Editor -
    Colin Lipnicky (More Info)
    xxx Camden Pass Ln
    Fort Walton Beach, FL 32547
    (xxx) 863 - xxxx

    The information is available, if you want to find it. Edited to add, that this number has not been verified. VM does not give the name.
     
  18. countertop

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    If you go to anywho.com it will take about 2 minutes to find all their information out.
     
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    Dave - apparently most supportive poll result and - some good feedback comments. Probably pretty much what most of the 87% would have said I'll bet.
     
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    Sure. It's like I said: they'll be back flipping burgers if they lose their "reporting" jobs.
     
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    LIPNICKY COLIN M & LORI B
    400 CAMDEN PASS LN
    FT WALTON BCH FL 32547 32547

    Lets see what else I can find... oh! Here we go

    Colin Montgomery Lipnicky DOB: 01/10/66
    born in Kansas

    married on 07/18/1992 to:

    Lori Beth Geller DOB 05/09/62
    born in North Dakota


    Edited to add I believe Lori Lipnicky teaches Social Studies at Ft Walton Beach High School her work # is (850) 833-3300 ext 515 ---- yup - just confirmed its her voice mail.
     
  22. Black92LX

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    love it.

    now who is going to take out the ad in their own paper advertising :evil:
     
  23. slydel0kt

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    I have manage to engage the editor, I hope you guys approve:

    Dear Sir:



    What exactly was the purpose of publishing the names of those lawfully armed citizens with concealed carry permits? I should think that if these ladies and gentlemen wanted everyone for three counties to know that they were carrying a firearm about their person, they would just carry their pistols openly. The idea behind ‘concealed carry’ is just that. Concealed. Not for all to know. Secret. Out of sight. See what I mean?

    Or is it simply sensationalism? Stir controversy, sell papers, generate income. At what point does your paper’s collective conscience come into play? What about those on your list who’ve tried very hard to keep their addresses confidential for safety’s sake? Those who have kept their locations secret from ex’s who may pose a threat, or from a stalker who may be the very reason this person has a concealed firearm and permit? Any listing of a law enforcement officer, whether current or retired is a Third Degree Felony, not to mention the potential threat of retaliation from a disgruntled ‘guest of the state’.

    And your listing of concealed permit holders has jeopardized each and everyone of those on the list to burglary. While its true that having a firearm about your person gives one a better chance of surviving a violent attack, it does not keep your possessions safe when one is not at home. It would be akin to listing all those within your readership who have jewelry with a value above $10,000 in their home. Suppose what the public reaction to that would be? Since we are on the subject of ‘public record’, how would you feel about your paper publishing your name and home address, along with your staff, and your work hours, and what valuables you have in your home.

    Due to some individuals' negative personal views on firearms and Second Amendment rights, ccw holders on your list are now fair game for anti self defense employers. This list will no doubt be scrutinized by employers who hold a dim view of the right to self defense, and may be persecuted for being on the list.

    Yes, this is public record. But this public record was not as easily discovered by the general populous until your ill mannered publishing of it.

    I am certain mine is not the only letter of concern you have received. I am anxious to read your reply, if you so choose.

    In closing, I ask that you be much more mindful of your actions in the future, and more respectful of the privacy of others. Even if it doesn’t sell as many papers.



    Sincerely,



    Dan

    Next:
    Dan,
    Thanks for your email.
    I'm not going to try to persuade you to another viewpoint, because
    clearly
    you think we were wrong in publishing this public information.
    I'm curious; are you from Northwest Florida, and do you regularly read
    our
    newspaper? Let me know, if you have the time.
    Thanks again,
    Pat Rice
    Editor


    me:
    Not originally from NorthWest Florida. I did spend 2 years in Bonifay, as a beef cattle agent for Holmes County through Cooperative Extension Service. Used to travel through your area quite a bit working with cattle growers and other agents.
    As to persuading me to consider another viewpoint, please try. That was my point entirely: WHAT was the reason for printing the names?
    While I am not a regular subscriber to your paper, I am a permit holder, and that puts me in a postion to voice my opinion, though not in your geographical region. Things that effect permit holders in any part of Florida, may/can impact me. If not now, then later as these type of events set a precedence.
    While I realize what you did is perfectly legal, I am not sure I understand why. My thoughts being that if someone goes through the training and legal hoops to obtain a 'concealed' weapons permit, it is not something they want easily discovered. And while anyone with ill intent could obtain the same information through the same state channels you did, your paper simply made it that much easier.
    So again, I ask with all sincerity: What was the point of printing the list? What did you accomplish? What made it newsworthy? Why not simply state the total number of permit holders? Why so specific as names? What exactly did that accomplish?
    If possible, please feel free to contact me during work hours 07:30 to 15:30 east time at (813) xxx-xxxx. Or after hours at (813) xxx-xxxx.
    Or, if you prefer, email me a number and time that I may contact you.

    Dan

    him:
    Dan,
    Thanks for your email.
    We published this public information because we believe there is public
    interest in knowing who in our area has a permit to carry a concealed
    weapon in public. Also, it is a public record, and the people who have
    concealed weapon permits appear to know it's a public record. We didn't
    publish the list due to any political viewpoint. I personally believe
    strongly in the Second Amendment right to bear arms. I also believe the
    public has a right to know who is carrying loaded concealed weapons in
    public places.
    I hope this serves as an adequate answer to your email.
    Pat Rice

    finally me:
    "We published this public information because we believe there is public
    interest in knowing who in our area has a permit to carry a concealed
    weapon in public."
    This is my point: if its concealed, it is NOT meant for the general public to know. If ccw holders wanted everyone to know they had a firearm on them, they would just carry the gun openly. Part of what makes ccw work in reducing crime is that a ccw not only makes him/herself safer by carrying, they also make those who dont carry safer because criminals dont know who is carrying and who is not. Now, it is just that much easier to know. Just read the paper. And yes, some people know/knew its is public record, but that is a far cry from putting it in the newsapaper. Do you publish everyone's tax information? Hunting license holders? DMV records? Prison sentences and records after release?
    In some states, it is forbidden for anyone to publish concealed handgun permit information. I believe that the best choice for Florida's ccw holders is to pursue the same legistation to protect our (ccw holder's) rights and privacy.
    Again, I can see no reason to publish names versus just publishing numbers. I would think that any thug who reads that up to 5k citizens in the local area MAY be carrying at any time would re think his postition on certain types of crime, as he can bet there is a good chance one of his victims may be armed. Now, with an easily found list, he can better his chances.

    Dan


    How am I doing?

    Dan
     
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    Dan - you did pretty good. :) Even if a degree of - :banghead:

    I notice now that the first reply sent out is a pro forma .....
    I've been seeing quite a few.
     
  25. slydel0kt

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    I know, it seems he has danced all around the issue of : WHY?

    I have listed numerous reasons why not to list. And yet, other than 'public interest', he has listed 0.

    Dan
     
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