Fla.'s Rules Help Puerto Rico's Illegal Gun Market

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typical CBS bovine excrement!
what CBS really wants to say is that they do not like Puerto Ricans having guns

http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_077132514.html

Fla.'s Rules Help Puerto Rico's Illegal Gun Market

(CBS4) ORLANDO Lenient rules on the purchase and transportation of guns in Florida are subverting stricter gun laws in Puerto Rico.

According to the U.S.Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Fireams and Explosives about 60 percent of the guns seized in Puerto Rico in the last decade came from Florida. Police in Puerto Rico say these illegal guns can be linked to more than 7 thousand murders in the last 10 years.

A key concern for law enforcement officials are airline regulations that make it tougher to transport a dog to Puerto Rico than a suitcase full of handguns, rifles and ammunition. While dogs require paperwork, fees and certification, gun owners generally need only to tell airlines the unloaded guns are packed in a secure container in checked baggage.

“Once in Puerto Rico, the guns often stay, a violation of the territory's strict gun control laws,” said Puerto Rican Police Superintendent Pedro Toledo.

The arrest of several Orlando airline employees earlier this month who were charged with attempting to smuggle guns to Puerto Rico is just a small facet of the problem. Law enforcement officials say guns are frequently bought legally on the mainland and flown to Puerto Rico in airline luggage, then disappear into the black market.

"They usually have been pre-ordered," said Marcial Orlando Felix, an ATF agent stationed in Puerto Rico. "There's a buyer awaiting them."

Orlando is a key focus of concern because it is relatively easy to buy guns in Florida and Orlando is a hub for about 34-hundred of the 5-thousand flights from Florida to Puerto Rico each year.

"What usually happens is, someone travels from Puerto Rico to Florida to buy guns at a gun show. They go to Orlando because they have buddies there that can put them up and it is a short, inexpensive flight," Felix said. "That person makes a couple of trips and realizes this is easy. So he recruits two or three of his buddies in Orlando to do the same."

Felix and Toledo are lobbying for tougher rules that require airlines to notify them of passengers bringing guns into Puerto Rico.


"I'd have my agents check that that person is authorized to have those weapons," Toledo said. "If they are not, we'd hold the weapons for the length of that person's stay."

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Poor poor Puerto Rico, the redhaired stepchild of freedom. You are not a state, the constitution does not apply to you, you cannot be free. Yet we here in Washington can take your money, use your land for target practice and tell you what to do and how to live. Puerto Rico is a classic example of how DC politicians would treat all Americans if they could. Since it is not a "state" it is not protected by the constitution. So politicians can disarm the citizens of Puerto Rico at will. And they use the BATFEces to do it.
 
ditto

Not only that. We get to go to war to fight for democracy yet we cant vote for the president who sent us there... Oh but setting democracy in Iraq is more important. I guess us Puerto ricans are not as important...
 
Since it is not a "state" it is not protected by the constitution.

Thankfully, you're quite mistaken.

Unless this is some sort of commentary on the utterly retarded dissent in the recent Parker case.
 
Especially since everybody knows that there are no NCIS checks, no yellow forms, and no waiting periods on purchases here in Florida, right? Just any old person can plunk down the cash and walk out of the shop with a gun, right?

(They must have changed the laws in the months since my last rifle purchase...)
 
Puerto Rico is part of the US!

It's part of the US but I think they get the same treatment as DC as far as guns go IIRC.

Always wondered why the people of Puerto Rico protest when there is talk of statehood.
 
"I'd have my agents check that that person is authorized to have those weapons," Toledo said. "If they are not, we'd hold the weapons for the length of that person's stay."

Yeah, try that one in NY or DC, and see what happens to you!

:barf: ,

Popov
 
"It's part of the US but I think they get the same treatment as DC as far as guns go IIRC.

Always wondered why the people of Puerto Rico protest when there is talk of statehood.:"

Actually the populace is split 50/50 for it and against it. The margin for statehood goes up with every vote, I almost assure you they will be a state within 15 years. And they should IMO. But, this will of course bound them to the bill of rights, so no more 'it doesnt apply to us' crap.
 
Always wondered why the people of Puerto Rico protest when there is talk of statehood.:"

they go all up in arms because if they became the 51st state they would have to pay taxes. i mean who wouldnt want to be the red headed step child of the US all the benefits and no pay out come on!
 
Puerto Rico is subject to all the gun control laws a state is. Same goes for Guam, D.C., ect.

However Puerto Rico probably has the strictest gun control in the US.

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure even gun shops can not display/stock real live guns.

And there only a few reasons you can own one (like pest control).

Maybe a Puerto Rican resident will chime in here.
 
That leads me to wonder - what are our other territory's laws on firearms? Marina Islands, Guam, US Virgin Islands etc? I am surprised PR has been allowed to pass such harsh laws in violation of our constitution.
 
Why should Florida change its gun laws??

Isn't it already illegal to purchase a gun for another person? I'm pretty sure that is question #1 on the BATF/E Form 4473

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a. Are you the actual buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form? Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you.

Seems to me that these so-called buyers broke that simple little law by making strawman purchases. So, why not enforce the laws already on the books rather than making new laws that further infringe on the law-abiding citizens.
 
When the local ATF office reps from the Tampa office came into the store about two months ago to give a mini-seminar on procedures, they specifically mentioned that the illegal smuggling of guns from Florida to Puerto Rico has become a problem recently. We were told to be on the lookout for girlfriends and wives coming in repeatedly over weeks, months, etc to buy SKS's and AKs. Realistically, the best bet is to stop the firearms from getting onto the aircraft. Or allowing/encouraging private ownership of firearms for lawful self defence, but we know that one isn't too popular with politicos..
 
Im a resident here

PR is not a state its a commonwealth with its own constitution,senate and governor however the small letters in the paper say that we cannot overrule the US senate or president for whatever reason yet we can serve in the armed forces but not vote for the president. And the people are split 50/50 as far as for statehood. We have strict gun laws here the problem is the PR police are underpaid and don't give a rats ass anything that might come in a ship container since they don have the manpower. As far as the tax issue I pay both state and US taxes. Cost of living here is getting high and as far as getting a permit unless you have around $1800 bucks and a good lawyer to explain to the judge why you need a gun permit you are Sxxx out of luck. Im a veteran with 20 years of active duty service in the military and love the American way and will defend the flag to my last drop of blood. But it still ticks me off my people can not vote for the president and congress that makes decisions over them.
 
Why

Wish it was that easy half the island want statehood half to remain as we are a commonwealth with no powers and a tiny % want independence. Puerto rico is still considered a piece of property of the US with no rights. And anyways too many US interests (Big Companies) here wont let that happen anytime soon.
 
I'm a bit confused...

on the one hand,
A key concern for law enforcement officials are airline regulations that make it tougher to transport a dog to Puerto Rico than a suitcase full of handguns, rifles and ammunition. While dogs require paperwork, fees and certification, gun owners generally need only to tell airlines the unloaded guns are packed in a secure container in checked baggage.
but these guys
The arrest of several Orlando airline employees earlier this month who were charged with attempting to smuggle guns to Puerto Rico is just a small facet of the problem. Law enforcement officials say guns are frequently bought legally on the mainland and flown to Puerto Rico in airline luggage, then disappear into the black market.
seemed to be willing to risk the extra effort needed to "smuggle" something that is easier to import (legally or not) into PR than a dog. Seems to be a contradiction there...

I don't believe the political status of PR will change anytime soon because it is not in the interest of the higher level politician for any thing but a state of conflict to exist. We lived there for three year and it seemed the on-island politicians did all they could to keep things aswirl with no actual progress in any one direction.

migoi
 
Let's have a little reality check--nobody really disputes the fact that gun crime in the UK has only gone UP since they banned all the guns.

Is that Florida's fault too? Cause the UK is a blankety-blank blank island too...and they can't keep guns out either. And they can't blame soft gun laws in the state nearby since the nearest US state is a solid 3K miles away.:neener:
 
60 percent of the guns seized in Puerto Rico in the last decade came from Florida
Thats a real head scratcher-I can't imagine why Florida rather than say Vermont or Alaska or Georgia...I couldn't be because Florida is so close could it? :confused:
 
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