Impact of Gun Ruling Limited, Experts Say

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The media are already enlisting "experts" to try and downplay the significance of today's ruling....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/washington/27guns.html

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court’s historic decision on the right to bear arms on Thursday was a sweeping pronouncement of constitutional principles that will nonetheless have little practical impact in most of the country, legal experts said.

Most state and city gun restrictions appear to be allowed under the ruling, which appears to permit licensing laws, bans on possession by felons or the mentally ill, and prohibitions against carrying concealed weapons or guns in schools or government buildings. Justice Antonin Scalia said that list was not exhaustive.

“Dangerous” weapons can also be banned, although the term was not defined.

But Washington’s comprehensive ban on handguns used for self-defense in the home will have to be revised, and similar laws in several major cities are also vulnerable.

“It’s really the municipalities that are the offenders,” said Robert A. Levy, one of the lawyers on the winning side of the case.

“There is likely to be quite a flood of litigation to try to flesh out precisely what regulations are to be permitted and which ones are not,” Mr. Levy said. “The challenges are likely to be in Chicago, New York, Philadelphia and Detroit.”

Adrian M. Fenty, the mayor of Washington, said that officials here are considering an amnesty period during which people who own handguns can register them without penalty.

Mr. Fenty emphasized that it remains illegal to carry handguns outside the home and that only registered guns may be may be kept at home. Automatic and semi-automatic weapons will generally remain illegal, Mr. Fenty said.

Chicago has a law very similar to the one struck down in Washington, and many of its suburbs, including Evanston, Morton Grove, Oak Park, Winnetka and Wilmette, also ban the possession of handguns in many settings. Toledo, Ohio, also bans some kinds of handguns, and San Francisco would have a similar ban had it not been pre-empted by state law.

As the list of affected localities demonstrates, gun control laws of the sort likely to be affected by Thursday’s decision are almost exclusively urban. Indeed, as Justice Stephen G. Breyer wrote in a dissent, some 41 states pre-empt local gun regulations, indicating significant tensions between state lawmakers and municipal officials.

The status of laws that ban certain types of weapons is not clear, and that question is also likely to generate litigation. Six states, Puerto Rico and at least 14 municipalities ban assault weapons and semi-automatic weapons, Justice Breyer wrote.

Justice Scalia wrote that the Second Amendment’s protections apply only to weapons in common use, like rifles and pistols. “Dangerous and unusual” weapons, including ones used by the military, may be banned, Justice Scalia said.

Because the case before the court arose from the District of Columbia and thus involved only federal law, the court did not resolve the important question of whether the Second Amendment’s protections apply to limit state and local laws. Most legal experts said the court is likely to apply the amendment to the states in a later case.
 
This was a MAJOR victory for gun rights, and the future integrity of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. No surprise that the mainstream media are trying to downplay it's significance.
Marty
 
“Dangerous” weapons can also be banned, although the term was not defined.

Seems to me that what I read in the decision mentioned "Unusually Dangerous" weapons.

Like, maybe a rifle or pistol that could kill an entire neighborhood with only one shot.

A gun that fires normal bullets with normal penetration could only be considered as "typically dangerous", in my opinion, no matter how many of those bullets it happened to be capable of firing.



J.C.
 
Cases that can be appealed now

Who is sitting in jail right now that we know that could file a appeal to get out? Paperwork volations, that type of stuff or cases currently working thru the system.
 
From Scalia's opinion:

"The term was applied then as now to weapons that were not specifically designed for military use and were not employed in a military capacity."

This doesn't mean that military weapons aren't appropriate arms either, merely that civilian arms in fairly common usage are appropriate for militia use.
 
The door has been opened, if they can give it minimal airtime and make it seem like a minor issue then they can play the same tune they have before. Minimizing the pro gun momentum and impact of Heller.

The media is generaly anti. The average American turns on the nightly news to "stay informed". Thier perspective is completely subject to molding.

What is the best way to make a major decision, one of the only gun related issues (and we know guns are important to the media) decided in decades by the supreme court and the most far reaching one seem unimportant?

Give it minimal airtime and in that minimal airtime mention not much will be changed by it. The result is most Americans will not even notice it happened, and those that do won't see much besides something effecting the city of DC that fades from memory in a few hours or days.

If you do not expose the public to something, the few inclined to self education won't research it and become educated on the issue because they don't even think about it.
That means you can filter what happens as you desire, and the average person will just absorb the perspective you give.


This is just damage control. "Heller? Oh that was nothing, minor gun thing in DC." Change topic.
 
As they say, it's really no big deal. Adrian Fenty and Washington, DC, The Brady Campaign, and all the others who filed briefs supporting D.C. did so as a kindness to Dick Heller and his attorneys, and only because they didn't have much else to do.
 
“There is likely to be quite a flood of litigation to try to flesh out precisely what regulations are to be permitted and which ones are not,” Mr. Levy said. “The challenges are likely to be in Chicago, New York, Philadelphia and Detroit.”

Not sure why Detroit is in the list. We have statewide preemption. While it's no secret that Detroit would like to ban handguns (and I think did in the past), that's history.

Of course, I think PA also has statewide preemption and that hasn't stopped Philly from trying.
 
Interesting (at least to me,) example of the media's reaction to this ruling... I've had CNN on for some time now, and you'd think the biggest thing that happened today was the meeting between Hillary and Obama, where she agreed to support his candidacy, complete with blurry cellphone pictures of THE ACTUAL MEETING!
Marty
 
you'd think the biggest thing that happened today was the meeting between Hillary and Obama

Oh the news I watched made the biggest thing to happen today the issues with North Korea. The Heller case was barely touched on at all, and not by name.
It was a gun issue in D.C.

If I was uninformed I would have thought it was just some local city rhetoric involving DC that was not important to most of us the way the news mentioned it. Just like if they talked about some other localized issue in another city.
 
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