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[Carlos Cabeza]

The most recent event I can think of that would warrant carrying inside an airport is the LAX incident at the Israeli Air ticket counter. I don't recall if any innocents were killed, maybe a ticket counter attendant, but the security detail finally killed the perp after he waved a handgun around in a threatening manner.

 

[willyjixx]

Tamara:

Must be nice; I can't even tell you off the top of my head how many I own...

LOL you are blessed young lady! i wish i had that problem!

Pax:

was the insult part directed towards me? feel bad for your kin! an your right in a parking area or baggage area perfectly fine! up on the course an ticket counter..NO GO. i too have travelled withmy pistol an the first thing i do is call ahead for instructions. the only problem i ever had was with seattle.


Skunk!:

Nice.........is that Uber tactical though with the contrasting web gear an chinos

 

[pax]

Willyjixx,

Heavens no.

I was answering the first post in the thread.

pax

As a child, a library card takes you to exotic, faraway places. When you're grown up, a credit card does it. -- Sam Ewing

 

[GhostShooter]

What was disappointing was that nobody ever noted that although you may, in certain areas, you probably shouldn’t. Why ask for trouble? Big trouble.

If it's concealed how is it asking for trouble?

 

[RTFM]

runt_of_the_litter
There are people here with different ranges of experiences with firearms. We have newbies to experts who have been there and done that. If you want to say "hey, you're stupid" to someone who has an honest question and run them off the boards with that attitude, than you have succeeded in making Sarah Brady jump up and down with glee. If you think the question is stupid, then don't answer it. Go find another thread. We don't need gun owners treating other gun owners like idiots.

Well put!, and that is the exact reason I joined this board in the first place, and also why I return.

We don't beat up on each other (unless in good fun) and 98.999% of the replys to any question are flame retardant.

I am always presented with new "angles" or differing viewpoints here, which help shed light in the dark spaces to some of my own questions. And no one has ever said "my way is the right way, you don't know what your talking about"
My .02Cents.

 

[cool45auto]

Let them ask whatever they want. It's better they get the info here with the good sources on this board than out there from people that may not have any idea what they're talking about. If you think the post is unnecessary then go to another one, it's up to the moderators to decide what stays and what doesn't. I've asked plenty of stupid questions and I know I will continue to do so in the future.

Whatever, I love you guys!

 

[Drjones]

1. I am impressed (but of course not surprised) at the complete civility everyone has displayed in response to this rant.

2. Charlie: You get all tied up in a knot because someone asks a question that you consider stupid? Were you ever young? Did you ever try to learn about anything before? Ever heard the phrase "the only stupid question is the one you don't ask"?

In the future, it would be quite helpful if you;

a) Take a deep breath before you post. Think twice, post once or you will very likely end up saying something you regret.

b) Identify precisely what you believe is the "stupid question" in question and be a bit more civil about it.

Welcome to THR.

Let's keep it that way.

 

[Standing Wolf]

“Can I stick my finger in the fan, or can I kick the skunk?â€

Sure. Why not? Just make sure you use your finger and/or your skunk.

 

[Alan Smithiee]

I know an air traffic controler who carries to work every single day, when I inquired, (just out of curiosity mind you) I was informed that you may carry into any area considered not a secure area at an airport, at least in Idaho.

I also had a possible near encounter with a suspicious person in a parkade at an airport once. he was heading for us with a aggressive body language, I just happened to be wearing my NRA cap, I VERY obviously faced him and adjusted the cap. at that point he 180'd and headed away at speed.

so yes, I carry to airports and just be very carefull about where I go.

 

[brookstexas]

PARDON ME?

"What about the ones who want CCW on airliners!! ....................yet they will talk about all the other unsafe morons at the range or at their CCW class"

Specifically-
"All the other unsafe morons"?

So I'm a moron?
You think planes explode when they get bullet holes in them like in the movies?
Better to not have armed and trained folks on board because one may be a cowboy? Tell that to any of the passengers on 9-11 and their families.
Some people know what the Second Amendment is about, understand the gun culture and some are just people who own guns and probably don't even vote...
BT

 

[BlkHawk73]

No flame but how about a "nice post" instead Detachment Charlie. I browse a few different boards and read alot of the threads. I very seldom post unless, I can actually offer information that pertains to the original question/topic. However, this thread got my attention.

To borrow anothers lines but not in a malicious/spiteful manner...

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1. I am impressed (but of course not surprised) at the complete civility everyone has displayed in response to this rant.

Although impressed, I'm also surprised at the semi-civility displayed.

2. Charlie: You get all tied up in a knot because someone asks a question that you consider stupid? Were you ever young? Did you ever try to learn about anything before? Ever heard the phrase "the only stupid question is the one you don't ask"?

Well put! But I still don't understand why some people ask some of the things they do. Myself, I wouldn't rely on anything other than a local/state published document informing me of the laws. laws for my area may not be rhe same as another, thus giving the broad generalities of laws could result in a problem for a fellow member. If you need to know the laws in your area, go to the local police or courts. Personally, if you've got the maturity to carry, you should have the common sence to know where to obtain the legal info pertaining to your city/town/state rather than asking people from totally differnt areas about your local laws. As far as the it's legal so do it people...do you do everything that's legal to do?

In the future, it would be quite helpful if you;

a) Take a deep breath before you post. Think twice, post once or you will very likely end up saying something you regret.
b) Identify precisely what you believe is the "stupid question" in question and be a bit more civil about it.

I'll often rewrite a post a time or two before committing it to the forum. And while I agree with the second point here (b), If everyone is so so quick to quote the the 2nd amendment, perhaps they should remember the 1st as well.

Once again, I used these quotes as a base, and not in any way as anything negative or disrespectful at all towards drjones.

 

[Glamdring]

Tamara:

I can't even tell you off the top of my head how many I own

Alltimers?

 

[Glamdring]

Eight or so years ago here in MN a guy got on a MTC bus with a com bloc rifle (AK/SKS) slung over his shoulder.

Rode all the way to the airport. Walked into airport and eventually fired off several rounds.

Now this guy was a little messed up mentally IMHO. But what about ALL the people that saw him and never called LEO? The Twin Cities here in MN is an anti gun place in general, at the time St. Paul was working real hard on getting rid of all the gun stores in their city.

I still remember this incident because I had sold my car, and other things, to go back to college. I had to ride the MTC busses to get anywhere myself.

Lived in a dorm (in St. Paul) and worked security for campus and a nearby church (The church had better alarms than the college. Both had their own security people).

But I couldn't carry legally on campus. And didn't have good enough political connections to get a permit to carry at the church (well I could have carried at the church but no secure storage at the campus so my 357 lived with my parents while I was at school).

MN just recently became a Shall Issue state. But lots of people are really making a ruckus about people carrying. Saying things like shouldn't be able to at church, gov't buildings, bla, bla.

My family isn't anti by any definition. But they don't see the point of carrying concealed on a regular basis. Was just talking to my Mom on the phone couple days ago about carrying debate in the media. Mentioned churches and my mom asked why do you need to carry in a church?

I didn't mention that some churches are really not a safe place (because of location). I just said for the same reason I carry other places. I don't know when I might need it.

Not to mention I know of at least one Church in St. Paul that feels the need for an expensive security system with motion sensors, CCTV, and remote locked doors (ie I would buzz people in while watching them with the cameras), and their own security force. How much do you think that cost per year? They still have problems with people breaking in once in awhile. Security was there to protect people, only there during events. Didn't guard empty buildings.

I could talk about dorm rooms getting broken into at that campus, or the armed robberies and rape that occurred.

BTW if anyone has college kids FYI dorms are probably more dangerous than a decent apparment. I can promise you that dorms are NOT secure, every campus that I have been able to get honest answers from security or locksmith admit that they have LOTS of masterkeys that are "lost".

They don't rekey often because of the expense. And at least here in MN someone living in a Dorm doesn't have same legal rights as any other tennant.

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I apologize if this was a rant. But a lot of people don't seem to understand actual threats in the real world.

Or the number of actual "bad things" that happen every day or every month at a lot of the places they think are "safe".

 

[Drjones]

If everyone is so so quick to quote the the 2nd amendment, perhaps they should remember the 1st as well.

No offense to you sir, but .

The first amendment protects freedom of speech. It does NOT protect one from reactions to anything stupid, insulting, inflammatory, or otherwise distasteful thing one might say. The dixie chicks are a bright, shining example of this.

Detachment Charlie has every right to say whatever he wants, and we here on THR are free to say whatever we want in return.

This is, of course, provided that what we say are within the rules that have been set by those who run this place. Before anyone starts crying "1st Amendment" about the rules here, let me explain something to you in case you do not know; THR is not a public forum. It is a privately run internet web site.

Think of it as Oleg & Co's house. If they do not appreciate what you are saying or how you are saying it, they are well within their rights to ask you to leave.

 

[Sarge111]

Having been raised...

in, and by, a generation which didn'y "suffer fools gladly", I have to occasionally remind myself that the current one has been largely deprived of the daily exposure to firearms (and proper gunhandlig) that was a part of my upbringing. They are only fools if they are not asking questions, and the best way I have found to deal with the problem is to answer carefully and thoughtfully- or on those occasions when the question itself is a source of irritation- not at all.

 

[GSB]

'Scuse me, but the question about carry in an airport in Florida is a valid question. It's valid because CCW classes teach that it is allowed in non-secure areas, yet the wording was vague about what constituted sterile and terminal areas.

Just because someone doesn't think someone should carry somewhere is completely immaterial to whether a particular state law says you can or not.

Sheesh.