Flask Spout

[Whacked]

Few years back I bought 3 spouts from Dixie GunWorks. I etched them based on receipt. Bought a 20, 25, and 30gr spout.

Today I bought a new flask with a 30gr spout. the 2 30gr spouts are completely different. One is short & squat, other is long & skinny. New 30gr is even shorter & narrower than the DGW 25gr.

So a little concerned. Did I even get the correct spouts I ordered? receipt was wrong?

So what would be the best way to verify the spouts? I do have a digital reloading scale. I have is 777 powder, nobody carries thee real deal.

 

[Whacked]

OK disregard.
Found a old post where someone made a chart.

 

[damoc]

somebody has a chart for that?

 

[Whacked]

articap posted a link in a thread I found (Thanks!!)

here is the link.
http://www.curtrich.com/BPConversionSheet.htm

did 3 weights then averaged.

DGW spouts came out 1-2gr different.

Had a waaay old spout that comes in at 13gr

New spout came to 23gr

 

[DD4lifeusmc]

if you don't already have one. By an actual adjustable black powder measure.
Set it to 20 25 30 fill it. then fill the flask spout see where it is at.

Some of my new flasks in stock also have the long thin 30 gr spouts.
Actually easier to fill the chambers of the revolvers, Especially on the 32 and 36 cal.

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

If you have a powder scale all you need to do is weigh the charge from each spout. If they are both 30 grains by volume the weight should be identical.

 

[Crawdad1]

if you don't already have one. By an actual adjustable black powder measure.
Set it to 20 25 30 fill it. then fill the flask spout see where it is at.

That's what I do with the spouts to test them to see what they are actually throwing by using an adjustable powder measure.

 

[Whacked]

Yea keep telling myself I need to buy a adjustable bp measure.

At least I now know the new flask spout is not 30gr like the package claims.

 

[Bigdog57]

I use the adjustable powder measures, but also bought the set of six marked spouts from Cabelas, and use the 30 grain spout on my brown finished Colt flask for my .44 revolvers, and the 20 grain spout on a brass cylindrical flask for my .36 caliber revolver. This spout set is made by Pedersoli and are the long thin type.

 

[DD4lifeusmc]

If you have a powder scale all you need to do is weigh the charge from each spout. If they are both 30 grains by volume the weight should be identical.

Yes you can do that to check for consistency.
But remember Black Powder and the subs are measured by volume not by weight.
30 gr by volume does NOT equal 30 grains by weight

 

[EljaySL]

Especially since he's using 777. I'd want at least a little real black to calibrate.

But really an adjustable measure is something you want anyway, I'd use that.

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

If it does not meter the same volume of the same powder, whether measured by weight or volume, they are not the same capacity. I guess simple physics is no longer being taught......

 

[44 Dave]

I have 2 adjustable powder measures and they do not agree exactly, but never figured black powder shooting was that much of an exact science.
Three or four grans of smokeless on the other hand!

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

"Adjustable" being the key word here. A fixed volume of the same substance should always weight the same, which is why recipes for cooking always give measures in fixed volumes. They could also give the volumes in fixed weights except most cooks are equipped with volume measuring devises, not weight measuring devises.

 

[EljaySL]

If it does not meter the same volume of the same powder, whether measured by weight or volume, they are not the same capacity. I guess simple physics is no longer being taught......

There's no reason to be rude, and there are more questions here than do they agree. Is one off? Are they both off? In useful terms, is it enough to be concerned about?

 

[Bigdog57]

A good reason I never load to max. A little leeway is a good thing! Especially with something using a controlled explosion sitting in my hand!

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

Did not mean to offend, the question just seemed very simplistic to me. In my line of work I get far too many questions that can usually be answered by simply looking at the question.

 

[whughett]

A nagging little thought.
Black Powder is Hydroscopic, so would that change anything? It sure would by weight, but would it affect volume. Powder stored in a horn, flask or other non air tight container could absorb moisture on a humid day. Would this make using a scale to determine weight/volume un reliable. Nit picking here as the amounts used in charging an average revolver/pistol load aren't that great. But how about larger bore rifles or cannons.

 

[ljnowell]

A nagging little thought.

Black Powder is Hydroscopic, so would that change anything? It sure would by weight, but would it affect volume. Powder stored in a horn, flask or other non air tight container could absorb moisture on a humid day. Would this make using a scale to determine weight/volume un reliable. Nit picking here as the amounts used in charging an average revolver/pistol load aren't that great. But how about larger bore rifles or cannons.

You are thinking hygroscopic, not hydroscopic.

 

[EljaySL]

And while I'm sure it absorbs some moisture when people talk about black powder attracting water they're talking about residue, not unburnt powder.

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

My perception of the OP's question was how to determine whether different shaped spouts dispensed the same volume of powder. Two spouts of different configurations calculated to dispense a defined volume should always dispense the same weight of powder if the comparisons are made with the same powder at the same time no matter the moisture content.

 

[Whacked]

My perception of the OP's question was how to determine whether different shaped spouts dispensed the same volume of powder. Two spouts of different configurations calculated to dispense a defined volume should always dispense the same weight of powder if the comparisons are made with the same powder at the same time no matter the moisture content.

Exactly!.

New 30gr spout was completely different than DGW 30gr spout. It was smaller than the DGW 25gr spout hence my questions.

Based on weight from that chart, new 30gr spout is actually about 23gr

 

[TOOT44]

spouts

I buy larger capacity spouts than I want and fill them with the desired amount of powder, mark it with a SHARPIE and cut it with a tubing cutter and WALLAH!! you will have rite on the mark.