Florida again, At least this little girl was not Tazed.

[Art Eatman]

Sorta tying this to a lot of other stuff that goes on in today's world of public schools: It seems to me that the fear of lawsuits has way too many teachers and principals just plain running scared. They're damned if they follow "old timey" ways. They're damned if they try to follow "modern codes".

I'm surprised more of them don't wind up like an old Fortran computer, stuck in a "do-loop". Next stage? Catatonic.

Art

 

[justashooter]

having worked with adult male mentally retarded/impaired and disruptive clients on a part time basis in a residential situation, i was trained in the art of "least restrictive restraint". the class was 8 hours on two days. i would support the idea of police being trained in this technique at taxpayers expense to resolve situations like this. tantrums are time limited and involve the release of undirected energy. people acting out in this way are doing so in a desire to be restrained. 30 minutes is enuf in almost all situations.

a child in this situation does not need to be cuffed or medicated. they need to be held in close contact with another person who is behind them and wraps them in their own arms and forced into a fetal posture. this is comforting to the disturbed individual, who draws support from the protection of the restrainor and the forced body mechanics of the posture.

it's simple manipulation of the psyche at a limbic level. children and impaired adults function at this level, and must be dealt with on their own level, not restrained by mechanical means and then abandoned. even if a blanket/sheet wrap is used, close physical contact with the restrainor is essential to the recovery and socialisation.

repeated socialisation and restraint will retrain a child in a manner that will reduce reccurence. handcuffing and abandonment will not. adult mental defectives may not be remediable if prior caretakers have failed in their role of providing corrective response to aggressive behaviour. treatment resistance is a direct correlative of failed remediation in an historic sense. god help those who care for MR patients who have not been properly cared for in the past.

maybe i ask too much of a profession which specialises in the art of restraining sophisticated enactors. it is hard for a linear thinker (policeman)with a schema that allows for dealing with violence by superior violence to deal with a situation like this. empathy and compassion is an entirely different ethos and schema in and of itself.

 

[mjb]

When I was 5 years old and acted like that in school I would have been given a spanking when I got home. I wasn't allowed to act that way. Now I hear that the brat's patrents are suing. If the child received the same dicipline as I received this wouldn't have happened. Oh no, not these liberal parents. They just can't do anything to hurt her little feelings cause they might make her cry I didn't have parents that would stick up for me when I was wrong. If that happened to me, my parents would reinforce the fact that that this is what happens to children who act that way. I would have learned a lesson. OH No!! Liberalism says no to discipline. These terrible thing just might make a child cry. If they cry, then they will not feel good about themselves!
Sometimes police will scare a child when they misbehave to put some fear into them.
I will say though, that I would have called the parents instead of the police.

 

[migoi]

If looks like...

I was correct unfortunately. A continuation of this story can be found here.

Lay hands on my child... get a lawyer. To make things worse The Good Reverand Al Sharpton seems to have smelled a paycheck and is circling around the outside edges of the case.

If you visit the link provided I suggest you take a look at the video taken in the classroom. That video footage was taken prior to the one where she is standing on the table in the VP's office. On the classroom video a conversation between one of the adults and someone on the other end of a walkie talkie reveals the mom is refusing to come to the school to pick up the child.

Something to think about for all those that want to continually bash public schools and public school teachers. This case is only unusual in that it ended up on the national/international news. Not to say public schools regularly handcuff 5 year olds...but the out of control children, the non-responsive parents, and the rush to a lawyer anytime the school officials make any decision to get out from between that rock and that hard place.

Here in Hawaii, children that act like this student in kindergarten later grow to 6'3" and 275 pounds with little progress on their socialization skills.

migoi

 

[mike1966ga]

You know I am not a teacher, social worker, or even a doctor. all I am is a father to 5 kids, ages 5yrs to 23 yrs. can't say that I have not been called to school for a miss behaving child before but what I do know is that it's the parents place to deal with the child, not the cops. you can't wait till a child is 5 yrs old to teach them respect for adults, it starts at birth, and it's something you have to work on everyday.
that being said, lots of people have said what they would have done, I know what I would have done.........but I was not there so I will not judge what the teachers done or did not do.
where was the childs father, why would the mother not come to school till after the police showed up , why would someone try and make a race issue out of this :banghead:
maybe money?

 

[pete f]

I go back to my post on this WHY DO YOU THINK THE SCHOOL VIDEO TAPED THIS? They had run out of options and needed to have someone else take the risk.

If you think your property taxes are high now, what do you think they will be if every kid starts needing one on one supervision in a school setting?

Kids who behave like this need to be culled from the school program and sent else where. There needs to be "reform school" or in my day the parochial schools. Although the kids seems to be wearing a uniform jumper, but some public schools are going back to that now, I would hope that the rest of the kids on that school who were behaving and trying to learn would get as much attention as this one little brat. Why penalize 32 or more kids who were doing a good job because this miscreant was not properly raised.

 

[gunsmith]

"respect for adults"?

Lots of kidnapped kids have respect for adults,they are as quiet as they're told to be by the abductor.

there was the "lisa steinberg" case in NY (seems like yesterday)
the adopted parents "spanked" their little girl to death.
the "dad" did ten years (or so) the "mom"
got on oprah or something,the "mom" got let go because some undoubtedly
liberal NY judge decided the "mom" was only disciplining the girl.
the problem with advocating spanking is some people don't have a clue when to stop.
I'm sure that million mom moron who went to jail for shooting to death (mistaken identity) an innocent kid advocated "reasonable" spanking as well.

My little sister got lots of spankings and never respected any adult that didn't repect her unalienable rights and she managed to raise a bunch of kids without a lot of spanking...see my earlier post in this thread...I'm done with this dead horse

 

[mike1966ga]

when did respect for adults become linked to children being kidnaped
in georgia we teach our kids to say yes mam, no sir, and thank you.
gunsmith, if that is not popular in CA, or you have a better way please let the rest of the world in on it.
if parents would be parents insted of trying to be friends, this would not happen
and no where will you see that I said spank the child

 

[Fred Fuller]

Maybe they need one of these in 5 year old size...

http://www.saferestraints.com/saferestraints/index.htm

lpl/nc (a wet sheet is cheaper but that's prolly illegal too)

 

[David904]

Lawdog and Pete F are both right.

It was creepy and unsettling to watch an adult be absolutely impotent in the face of a misbehaving child. That is utterly and completely backasswards.

I expect that this child is not beaten at home. I expect that she is ignored. I used to work with these kinds of kids, and the ones that had been ignored were the ones who acted out the worst. She knew that there were going to be no consequences of any significance to face for her actions. It is a cry for attention. Unfortunately for kids like this little girl, she has come to see any attention as good - whether it is positive of negative in nature is irrelevant to her. Consequently she is brat and out of control. THe folks need to take her in hand before society is forced to do so.

They should videotape this kind of situation (if feasible), physically extract the problematic student from the classroom (if the situation is that extreme), place the kid in an empty room set aside for just such a situation, place a faculty member to guard/safeguard the kid, and have the parents come pick up their now expelled child. If the parents can't won't come pick them up, leave the kid in the room until they get there at the end of the day. Still no parents or guardian to pick up this little gadfly? Call the police and have them take over the situation.

And when the parents try to sue the school system... the Judge ought to tell the parents to go poop in their hat, and fine them for allowing their child to be so disruptive/destructive in school.