FNp-40 ......HK USP40

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Any reason(s) to spend the additional monies for a HK USP40 when one can get a FNp-40 for $250-300 less?

Anyone have both and prefer one over the other...enough for price difference?
 
FNP sub-contracted MIM sear and various other parts - no agency/department touches them.

HK - all parts made in house, stringent QC, tested thoroughly before pooping products out into the market.

I've seen people liken the FNP to a Taurus on the inside, Glock/SIG/HK baby on the outside. HK is worth every penny which is why military and law enforcement organizations around the world will pay the extra.

Range gun/fun gun whatever you like best is just fine.
 
The fit and finish of the HK will be superior, you do get what you pay for.

It depends on what you want. A hyundai ain't got the fit and finish of an Acura, but they Hyundai will still get you there, anyway.

Go to a shop with both guns, compare them side by side, and decide which feels better in your hand. If it is the FN, then so be it.

IIRC, you get at least a couple of mags with the FN (maybe 3?), and that'll save you even more money. HK mags aren't cheap. But get what you want, even if you have to spend more money.
 
I have an FNp-45...I got it expecting it to be great since they submitted it to the DOD as a combat gun. I have yet to shoot it...hope it turns out great. Of course in today's manufacturing times there is no such thing as "cheaper can mean better..." or very little exceptions....
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I'm really leaning towards the HK USP 40 and then get the efk 9mm conversion barrel. I use to sat I'd never pay more for a gun than the cost of a Glock....guess I woke up on the wrong side of the bed...hah...not sure why I'm thinking the HK over the FN and glock.
 
Look at the FNX 40, newer version on the FNP. Obviously as you can tell by my user name i am biased. go to fnforum.net for more research if you want.
 
FNP sub-contracted MIM sear and various other parts - no agency/department touches them.

HK - all parts made in house, stringent QC, tested thoroughly before pooping products out into the market.

I've seen people liken the FNP to a Taurus on the inside, Glock/SIG/HK baby on the outside. HK is worth every penny which is why military and law enforcement organizations around the world will pay the extra.

Range gun/fun gun whatever you like best is just fine.
Yeah, I was one of those users... and I hated it.

I saved my cash and bought an FNP-45, which works better, by the way.
 
Don't hear many complaining about the HK's functions. My dislike for 40 withstanding, the HK will last longer and shoot better.
 
Having handled and fired both (although both in .45 caliber in my case), my only input is that you will have to fire a LOT of rounds before you can start telling a difference between these two guns. They feel THAT similar.
 
As the owner of an FNX-9 (I've not handled an FNP), I've got to say that the fit and finish of that pistol is the equal of the CZs I've owned and the M&Ps that I handle in the gun shops and gun shows. I am not a gunsmith, but on the inside, the fit and finish is on a par with all of my other semi-autos. I use Q-tips as part of my cleaning process on the inside and the Q-tips don't get torn up by any rough surfaces.

I don't know how to identify MIM parts by looking at them so I don't know if the FNX contains MIM or not.

I guess I'm being a little defensive of the FN pistols because I just got one. But my research on the forums before buying led me to believe that the folks who had them liked them. I don't remember reading anything negative.

So, is the general consensus that FN handguns are cheaply made? I'll still like mine and keep it for sure, but I just hadn't gotten that impression before buying.
 
I haven't read one negative comment, at least a game changing comment, about the FNp-45... and I love mine -- it fits my hand and has a wonderful trigger.

because I love my FNp-45 so much I was thinking about the .40...and then getting the 9mm conversion. I didn't know the FNx was the new FNp-40...so i'd get the FNx.

shooters boast the new FN as the HK killer...so i was really just wondering...
 
Well, I'm liking my FNX-9 a whole lot. It's light weight but recoils no more than my heftier 9mms. It's got a hammer and the SA trigger is pretty nice. I'm quite happy. I just wasn't under the impression that is was cheaply made.
 
FNP sub-contracted MIM sear and various other parts - no agency/department touches them.

HK - all parts made in house, stringent QC, tested thoroughly before pooping products out into the market.

I've seen people liken the FNP to a Taurus on the inside, Glock/SIG/HK baby on the outside. HK is worth every penny which is why military and law enforcement organizations around the world will pay the extra.

Range gun/fun gun whatever you like best is just fine.
Taurus' parts are in-house also.... not arguing just mentioning that in-house manufacturing is only better than subcontracting the manufacturing out if the in-house manufacturing is better quality than the subcontractors quality.
 
LOL...poor Taurus.... at least they have improved and are still improving -- if they pump enough money into that company then eventually they will have the best firearm manufacturing facility on the planet -- they may already have it -- but one day the products they are churning out will be 2nd to none -- at least that's their goal...
 
DannySeesUSMC

Where do you get your info on FNH? Last I heard which was a couple days ago the USN purchases FNH handguns?

You know the USN. The USMC is subordinate to the USN which is the way God intended it should be. Where you and 8th and I Marine?

FNH uses the same methods to make the SCAR 16 and 17. SCAR 16 and 17 is superior to anything produced by HK and Sig. I have tested them and used them all in combat have you?

Glock isnt even in the same class as Sig, H&K and FNH.

Va herder
 
Screw the 40 ......

Go with the 45 ......

I'm looking at the FNP 45 now as a back up ..... (and a Nighthawk T3 as a new primary) ....

My main carry now is an HK45C ..... love it (and will never sell it) ...... accurate .... reliable .... and you can field strip one in complete darkness in less than 20 seconds hangin upside down naked in a barn ..... expensive though .... but you do get what you pay for (most times) ....

AND WHAT THE HELLS WRONG WITH BEING AN 8TH & I MARINE !!!!!! ....... Damn Swabbies .... R@t B@sT@RDS ..... !!!!!!! :neener:
 
If shtf .40 will be available bc of LE...add the 9mm conversion and I have a NATO caliber...more than likely ill find ammo. I have a FNp-45...but I was thinking about another 45...
 
vaherder - no I wasn't 8th and I

My second tour in 2004-2005 I spent some time attached at the hip with FN employees and have nothing against the company. You can't compare the FNP pistols to the other products they produce.
 
All of this ridiculous fanboy insanity because FNH decides to price their FNP's low to break into a market. There would be no argument if they marked it up like everything else.

I'm going to answer the OP first: I own an FNP9 '07 and a USP .40 AK. Not exactly what you were asking, but close enough. Here's the bottom line, they are so similar in performance it's up to personal preference. There are differences. The USP weighs 2 ounces more, is longer, and overall a little larger with a .25" longer barrel (4.25" vs 4.00"). The FNP holds one more round in .40. The USP will cost you $250-$350 more than an FNP. The ergonomics between the two are fairly similar, but this may be the largest determining factor for many. These are some of the practical differences. Now for everything else.

The USP came out in the early-90's. It's very clearly a well made polymer pistol from the get go. Most importantly they were designed alongside with and to be entered into the OHWS program requested by USSOCOM, and did well. The rest is history.

The FNP is FNH's first attempt to break into the primarily U.S. LE/Military handgun market. Unfortunately for them since 15 years had passed since the majoring rearming of the military and LE, it would be a steep uphill fight. By now, SIG had its foot in with many governmental agencies and military units. H&K's pistols not as much in the U.S., but incredibly popular around the world in military, government, and LE. Glock had become the norm for police departments here in the U.S. In short, the FNP wasn't going to be pushing out well established firearms it's first year. Or ever. It was to give everybody a taste and start building a reputation. The FNX is virtually the same pistol, with an additional round in the mag, but this is a marketing tactic to create the sense of an evolving weapons system. Hearing the name "FNP" and knowing it was never really issued anywhere attaches negative connotation with the pistol, in regards to the military and LE. FNH is on a very predictable and solid long term path for the FN series of pistols to be accepted in the U.S. and worldwide market.

Fortunately, the pistol itself was a winner, so they have a good chance.

It seems to be important to note that this is FNH's first recent rodeo in handguns, but not in anything else. Whenever I see these arguments fly, sometimes the very name and pedigree of FNH is called into question. It is so unbelievably asinine to hear it from those supposedly in the military. For the few who don't know, FNH produces a huge amount of M16's and M2HB's for the U.S. They designed and produce the M240 MAG and M249 SAW. Somehow, the SCAR is forgotten, along with the HiPower, one of the most influential pistol designs ever created. These are a few examples, you can look up the rest for yourself if you're interested, but the point is they are a solid firearms company.

Here's where it gets weird. The FNP was priced low. Really low. Another tactic to help soften the market, but with the side effect of stepping on some toes. "Yes, it appears this $400-$500 pistol performs as well as pistols in the $700-$800 and up range." "Oh no.". Perhaps time will tell and it will show its true colors. Time passed. Nothing remarkable happens, it doesn't explode, it doesn't fall to pieces at 2000 rounds. The only big issue to note is that one year they had a batch of bad plastic in the FCG frames and they could crack. FNH replaced them with correctly formed FCGs, and of a stronger design on top of that.

So the FNP series turned out to be competent and well mannered from day one. Accuracy is on par with premium off the shelf pistols. Reliability appears to be holding passing the 6 year mark. They pass the 25,000 round test. It almost seems too good to be true. So reviews come out, comparisons fly, the FNP is compared with high end pistols and tempers flare. There are no real faults with the gun in these comparisons, lets say for sake of this thread, the USP. So here come the theoreticals and nitpicks. By far the top two:

- The frame is thin and the barrel is thin. Obviously a gun made on the cheap.

The frame is thinner than typical polymer frames, and so is the barrel. This was the give the FNP an edge in weight over the other comparable pistols. The frame is thinned near the mag well and supported by ribs. This is a valid argument and reasonable concern, however, this does not make the frame unacceptably weak. Solid vs. ribbed design is common throughout engineering. Imagine a solid, steel beam. Then think of a steel I-beam. The I-beam is mostly air compared to the solid beam, but it is just as strong (stronger). The supported frame in the FNP is 100% sufficient. The barrel is thinner than the norm specifically to save weight. It is not weak. The theoretical disadvantage will be reduced accuracy as the barrel gets hot faster than a thicker barrel. Pistols aren't really meant for this however, and the barrel passes the lodged bullet test and simply bulges like any other high quality handgun barrel. The weight savings outweigh the cons.

- There are critical parts made using MIM

The FNP uses 9 parts that were created by MIM. This is often viewed as a cheap way to create parts. This is often because MIM is a cheaper way to make parts. That does not mean its a ****ty way to make parts. They don't sub contract these parts to some hut in Burma, Philips Plastics has the contract. They are an industry leader in this field. MIM done properly (all with 420 SS, FN08, and FN02 carbon steel used here) yields extremely durable parts. They pass the 25,000 round test without a single breakage and that's all anybody could ask for in a service pistol. This is a non issue blown out of proportion.

And there are no further valid, legitimate arguments against the FNP that I'm aware of besides its TOO NEW and its TOO CHEAP and it CANT BE BETTER THAN MY HK/SIG/JENNINGS.

I love my HK USP. It rocks, it's an excellent pistol. It's overpriced. So what. I love my FNP, it rocks, it's an excellent pistol and I look forward to it's future. It's underpriced. That's a bonus, for now. It will go up once it takes hold. This is the way it is and no amount of yelling and arguing will change a thing.

OP, buy the one you want if you've got the money because you cannot go wrong with either. You gain nothing significant buying one over the other besides the practical differences outlined above. If you get the FNP, you'll have a few hundred in your pocket for ammo and pizza. If you get the USP, you'll be getting one of the best polymer pistols on the market. My $0.02.
 
I think the FN line of pistols is priced just right, and I would not consider them at the same quality as H&K (or Walther, SIG, etc).

I was one of the first people in my city to buy an FNX 9mm when they first came out. It was close to $600 and I traded my USPc 9mm for it because I had been waiting for it for some months and I expected to like it more than the USPc. I would not consider them equal as far as quality, and there were lots of issues on my FNX pistol that many people at FNForum were experiencing as well. I got the feeling that FN did not do enough testing before getting these pistols out to the public.

I bought it since I was looking for a good quality pistol that could be carried cocked and locked but it didn't work out and I traded it for another pistol. Now I carry an H&K P30S, and difference is night and day when it comes to quality. If you have the extra money, and you shoot them both equally, I would personally go for the H&K. I bought my USPc used for about $550 and it never gave me any trouble.

Right now if I had to choose an FN pistol, I'd go for the FNP over the FNX since they have been out longer and whatever issues they may have had have probably been resolved by now.
 
I own an FNP 40, and have had no problems with it whatsoever. It is accurate, reliable, and just stinkin' fun to shoot! I would not hesitate to recommend it to anyone. Try one, and you'll see why they got such a cult following. Almost as much as the Jericho/Baby Eagle... but that's for another day. :D:D:D
 
I've got a -9M, and a USP 40, gotta say if I could do it all over again I would probably get the FNP-40. Better trigger, better sights, smaller grip, higher capacity, three magazines off the rip, less bulky for a pistol of similiar purpose, yeah the decocker looks kind of crappy but it looks like they put a prettier one on the new version.
 
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