For Iraqi Soldiers, Gun Misfires Lead To Injuries, Deaths

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April 4, 2006

For Iraqi Soldiers, Gun Misfires Lead To Injuries, Deaths

By Antonio Castaneda, Associated Press

BIDIMNAH, Iraq – The two bloodied, wincing Iraqi soldiers – bandages wrapped around their legs – hobbled onto the waiting ambulance, wounded during a house-to-house search near this farming town.

The culprit was a common one: not insurgents, but gunfire from fellow soldiers. U.S. trainers who mentor Iraqi troops say a lack of gun safety, or what they call “muzzle discipline,” has led to many injuries and deaths across the country.

And while the Americans say it is slowly getting better, it remains a major problem for a U.S. military trying to train more than 200,000 Iraqis to fight the insurgency.

“When we first got here, it was a little scary,” said Army Capt. Steven Fischer, a trainer from Washington, Pa. “We have to correct it. It's something that's got to be better.”

In the Bidimnah case in late January, insurgents first fired on Iraqi and U.S. troops patrolling the rural area about 50 miles west of Baghdad. That prompted more than a minute of wild, continuous gunfire from the Iraqi troops. The two Iraqi soldiers were wounded while the militants escaped unharmed.

Other examples are rife and often startling:

In December in the town of Adhaim north of Baghdad, an Iraqi soldier stepped out of a vehicle with his safety lever turned off and accidentally shot himself point-blank in the chest. Minutes later, as a U.S. helicopter carried the dying man away, an Associated Press reporter saw a frustrated U.S. soldier storm up and lecture another Iraqi soldier, who also did not have his safety on.

During a large-scale operation last summer in Baghdad, an antsy Iraqi soldier took aim at what he thought was an insurgent, prompting several other Iraqi soldiers to drill hundreds of rounds into an empty home. No one was injured.

Iraq had a million-man army under Saddam Hussein, but soldiers who served in the old army said they were given only a few bullets a year – apparently a way to prevent coups. That practice left Iraqi troops untrained in the most basic of soldiering skills.

Iraq now has tens of thousands of rookie soldiers who only recently learned how to use a weapon. And misfires have led to dozens of military deaths.

Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, distributed a letter in October saying that misfires had killed more than 75 coalition troops. He did not specify if the victims were Iraqis, Americans or others, and he also did not say who the shooters were.

“The failure to properly clear weapons and maintain muzzle awareness led to these unnecessary losses,” Casey wrote in the letter, which was posted at bases across Iraq and viewed by an AP reporter.

Warning signs also are posted at U.S. bases across Iraq, such as one at Camp Ar Ramadi that instructs U.S. soldiers to be alert to the threat.

“Recently there have been several negligent discharges that have resulted in non-battle injuries to our personnel,” read the sign. “Hold our partnered Iraqi forces to these same standards,” it warns, after listing safety rules.

The problem is hardly unique to Iraq: Armies across Africa and the Third World are notorious for their lack of safety procedures. But the problem is particularly acute in Iraq, where thousands with automatic weapons are on alert for insurgents.
 
To be completely fair, the problem also exists in the US Army. When people get tired or lazy, it is very common to see them slinging around the muzzle like it is a water gun. It was only fairly recently that the Army really started taking muzzle discipline even with "unloaded" weapons seriously. I think something on the order of 5% of the US casualties in the present war were caused by negligent discharges. Remember the lesson taught by our good friend the DEA agent... You can never be too professional to be serious about gun safety.
 
A friend of mine in the USMC is has been over there training some of the Iraqi soldiers. He said that the concept of "muzzle discipline" just does not stick. They beat it into them at basic training, then when they give the Iraqis live rounds they still would flag everyone around them:what: He even said that after training, yelling, and extra PT failed to fix the problem, they would tackle the offender and beat the snot out of him every time he flagged some one. This has only been met with partial success.

I suppose this is the problem with having a "gun culture" without a culture of responsibility to go with it.
 
Read an article in "Newsweek" actauly talking about the Iraqi army taking over and stuff. They said US soldiers have a name for what they do. Something like "deadly flower" When they (Iraqi soldiers) start taking fire heavly, they kind of panic and just start shooting wildly all arournd. A deadly flower blooming as it were. Intresting I guess. :uhoh:
 
Eab, that sounds like the "Death Blossom" from the movie The Last Starfighter.

Yikes. And when that happens, anyone who likes their body with the proper number of openings fuses their body with the native soil.
 
As to a culture of safety, also keep in mind that this is a culture that tends to fire 7.62 into the air amid large crowds in celebration. :banghead:
 
Yeah, Death Blossom was the term they used.... Good call, I knew it had flower refrance and death in it....
 
This reminds me of an idea I had the other day--has anybody ever seen any instructor stick brightly-colored plastic or fiberglass rods in muzzles so people have to exaggerate their muzzle awareness? I think it could be valuable.
 
Cultural Differences

I know someone who is training the Iraqi National Police. He has expressed a lot of frustration at the Iraqi's refusal to safely handle weapons. You can teach, lecture and preach the four universal rules, but it doen't mean anything to them.

I think we finally found a culture that is more hard headed about what they think they know about firearms then the American male.

Jeff
 
At first I thought this was about their firearms"blowing up" from the word "missfire" .Really sad to hear these guys are shooting each other, ( and themselves). Strange they don't seem to even want to understand.
Mark.
 
I dunno what to suggest. Take away the gun and butt-stroke or pistol-whip the soldier with it?
 
Think about it for a second, America's gun culture, and Iraq's gun culture are incredibly different.

While we have the 4 rules off gun safety, we can't think they are some universal thing
 
mordechaianiliewicz said;
Think about it for a second, America's gun culture, and Iraq's gun culture are incredibly different.

While we have the 4 rules off gun safety, we can't think they are some universal thing

No, but most Americans are capable of understanding the cause and effect of: If you violate one or more of the four rules, something bad will probably happen..

The Iraqis simply will not learn or accept the four rules (or any rules of safe gunhandling for that matter).

Jeff
 
It's an attitude towards safety in general--not just guns

I don't think this is just a gun thing. The 3rd World has a careless attitude towards vehicle safety, and building safety as well. I once talked to an Egyptian structural engineer who worked here in California on seismic retrofitting. He said in Egypt, things like that were just considered an act of God, and no one even considered structural safety from rare events such as quakes. It's just an attitude towards safety in general.

My theory is that when people die so often anyway, the added danger of not being very conscious of muzzles or driving or whatever doesn't seem significant. When the U.S. was poor (compared to today) a hundred years ago, I know that construction safety wasn't considered an issue--it was just considered a normal cost of doing business that one person died per million dollars of contact, or whatever.

Once a society becomes rich enough that it can "afford" to be safe, safety consciousness becomes much greater about everything. I think America has become safety conscious to the point that it is becoming a hindrance. For example, a few years ago, recalled Governor Davis signed a bill mandating new valves for propane tanks, because of a 1-in-gazillian chance that the design the rest of the country uses might fail, so everyone in California had to go out and buy adapters.
 
Briefing slides I've been through on Iraq/the Arab world all talked about how fatalism is part of Arab culture.

"Insh' Allah"-it is God's will, or, alternately, if God will's it.
 
I think America has become safety conscious to the point that it is becoming a hindrance.

Kind of like the "put airbags everywhere in the car" craze that is going on right now. My driver and passenger airbags went off when I hit into my car accident. I was going 20 MPH tops and the airbags didn't do sh*t, the seatbelt will save your butt 98% of the time. The car was totaled by the insurance, but I bought it back for $300, spent $400 on a new windshield, headlight, alignment, seatbelt inspection, and pocketed the rest of the money from the settlement. The car may look like crap, but it drives as if nothing happened. It probably has at least another 5 years of life in it. Thanks to the airbags being $2000 to replace, I made a crapload of money off of this. I kinda feel dumb for not removing the airbags when I got the car and making a nice bundle selling them on the black market.
 
This reminds me of an idea I had the other day--has anybody ever seen any instructor stick brightly-colored plastic or fiberglass rods in muzzles so people have to exaggerate their muzzle awareness? I think it could be valuable.

I could see the new daylight visible greenlasers being a nice way of doing it to, because you can see the actual beam, but with the ablity to still sling your weapon and what not
 
I have seen Dept instructors sweep classrooms with pistols, ARs, shotguns, etc, and they wonder why a mere Sgt gets so incredibly bent out of shape over it..."Hey, they're unloaded!"
I can sypathize with our guys over this issue....after all, I watched a supposedly POST certified officer try to load ammunition into a magazine backwards. I can't imagine all the screwups over there with Iraqui police/military.
 
If Iraq doesn't give the lie to that old self-satisfied ego-serving canard of "An armed society is a polite society" I can't imagine what would. OK. Liberia, Cote d'Ivoire, Lebanon until recently, Afghanistan, Sierra Leone, Somalia...

Sprinkling guns around doesn't make people free, polite or enlightened. It just means they have guns.
 
Yeah.

Decent people who believe wholeheartedly in individual responsibility and staying out of others' business, and who are brought up in the right kind of culture, and operate according to a social contract, with a strong moral code, the belief in voluntarily helping their neighbors, and the full freedom to defend themselves, make for a society I want to live in.
 
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