Many Iraqi soldiers wounded by own guns

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Many Iraqi soldiers wounded by own guns

By ANTONIO CASTANEDA
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

BIDIMNAH, Iraq -- The two bloodied, wincing Iraqi soldiers - bandages wrapped around their legs - hobbled onto the waiting ambulance, wounded during a house-to-house search near this farming town.

The culprit was a common one: not insurgents, but gunfire from fellow soldiers. U.S. trainers who mentor Iraqi troops say a lack of gun safety, or what they call "muzzle discipline," has led to many injuries and deaths across the country.

And while the Americans say it is slowly getting better, it remains a major problem for a U.S. military trying to train more than 200,000 Iraqis to defeat the insurgency.

"When we first got here, it was a little scary," said Army Capt. Steven Fischer, a trainer from Washington, Pa. "We have to correct it. It's something that's got to be better."

In the Bidimnah case in late January, insurgents first fired on Iraqi and U.S. troops patrolling the rural area about 50 miles west of Baghdad. That prompted more than a minute of wild, continuous gunfire from the Iraqi troops. The two Iraqi soldiers were wounded while the militants escaped unharmed.

Other examples are rife and often startling:

- In December in the town of Adhaim north of Baghdad, an Iraqi soldier stepped out of a vehicle with his safety lever turned off and accidentally shot himself point-blank in the chest. Minutes later, as a U.S. helicopter carried the dying man away, an Associated Press reporter saw a frustrated American soldier storm up and lecture another Iraqi soldier, who also did not have his safety on.

- During a large-scale operation last summer in Baghdad, an antsy Iraqi soldier took aim at what he thought was an insurgent, prompting several other Iraqi soldiers to drill hundreds of rounds into an empty home. No one was injured.

Iraq had a million-man army under Saddam Hussein, but soldiers who served in the old army said they were given only a few bullets a year - apparently a way to prevent coups. That practice left Iraqi troops untrained in the most basic of soldiering skills.

Iraq now has tens of thousands of rookie soldiers who only recently learned how to use a weapon. And misfires have led to dozens of military deaths.

Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, distributed a letter in October saying more than 75 coalition troops had been killed by misfires. He did not specify if the victims were Iraqis, Americans or others, and he also did not say who the shooters were.

"The failure to properly clear weapons and maintain muzzle awareness led to these unnecessary losses," Casey wrote in the letter, which was posted at bases across Iraq and viewed by an AP reporter.

Warning signs also are posted at U.S. bases across Iraq, such as one at Camp Ar Ramadi that instructs U.S. soldiers to be alert to the threat.

"Recently there have been several negligent discharges that have resulted in non-battle injuries to our personnel," read the sign. "Hold our partnered Iraqi forces to these same standards," it warns, after listing safety rules.

The problem is hardly unique to Iraq: armies across Africa and the Third World are notorious for their lack of safety procedures. But the problem is particularly acute in Iraq, where thousands with automatic weapons are on alert for insurgents.

Roadside bomb blasts that target Iraqi patrols are often followed by aimless gunfire from the Iraqis, usually useless since most attackers hide before they detonate bombs. And Iraqi soldiers sometimes clear traffic from roads by firing into the air.

In comparison, U.S. soldiers pride themselves on gun discipline, stressing the preservation of ammunition until a target is identified. U.S. misfires can lead to demotions or serious reprimands.

U.S. trainers say Iraqi safety procedures have improved, but only after constant reminders.

"They've gotten better. It's gotten so they know they need PID (positive identification) to shoot," said Army Sgt. Joseph Neary of Altoona, Pa.

Trainers drill Iraqi soldiers to keep their weapons on safe and pointed downward. "We've pounded it into their heads," Neary said.

But many American trainers have stories to tell.

"It's kind of scary to see a PKC gunner doing a 360 (degree-turn) in a turret and painting his name in the air," Neary said.

Cultural issues also exacerbate the problem. Many Iraqi soldiers swagger with their guns and neglect to use safety levers as a sign of manliness.

In western Iraq, Col. Daniel Newell, who heads a team of Marine trainers there, estimates his Iraqi trainees suffer about one accidental shooting a week, but stresses they have improved.

Safety problems are also rampant among thousands of armed Iraqi civilians who increasingly carry personal weapons as civil strife has spread. Iraqi laws allow civilians one AK-47 rifle and a full magazine per household.

In January, Sheik Fewaz al-Jerba, a member of the Iraqi parliament, was shot in the leg - by his own bodyguard.

And in December, after a soccer match between Iraq and Syria, bursts of celebratory gunfire briefly put U.S. troops on alert - and demonstrated that the tradition, common across the Mideast, is still part of Iraqi life.

The same thing occurred after Iraqi troops successfully completed a mission in the Syrian border city of Husaybah in February.

After he realized the gunfire wasn't hostile, one Marine could only mutter: "I'll strangle them if they do that again."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1107AP_Iraq_Firing_Wild.html

See, you are more likely to be shot with your own gun..... :evil:
 
The RG guys I saw were pretty good. Saddam trusted them more and they trained to a pretty good standard.

The draftees and "peoples" units were pretty bad.

Just like any Army, including the US Army, some units are better trained than others. Would you expect a National Guard maint unit to be as well trained in combat skills as an Active Army SF unit, or even a regular Infantry battalion?

<<Oh. Yeah. The élite Republican Guard again. Sure.>>

As for the article, it's funny now... but there were times when it was very unfunny in person.
 
I have a friend that's involved in firearms training for Iraqui forces. He said that if you are able to teach them generally safe weapon handling practices, that's only one hurdle. Teaching them to aim their weapons and actually make use of the sights is another monumental task. It seems that many Iraqui soldiers are only concerned with launching the bullet. The bullet actually finding its target is completely the corcern, and firmly in the hands of Allah.


Larry
 
blazer, the Hand of Allah cannot be chained via your kafir study of projectile motion.:D

Could be worse, Uncle Ed told me that during his work with the Popular Forces in his second tour of Vietnam that his "troops" told him that the sound of the firearm was the lethal part.:uhoh:
 
Sad this crud can own full auto weapons without paper work .Something we supposed free Americans can't do with out jumping thru hoops and paper work. Maybe we should have Iraqi Army come free us.:cuss:
 
Not surprising. All the Middle Eastern troops I have seen in footage seem undisciplined. I think the Israelis look better than they really are in comparison.

Really, if they can't grasp putting the rifle stock to their shoulder and using the sights, what makes anybody think they can learn any other basic act?
 
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