pacodelahoya
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Don, if we cannot talk of ... ...., then what makes you think you can reference Harry Potter?
Is he running?
Is he running?
For those who say Fred Thompson is anti-gun
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Don't complain when Billary or Osama cram gun control down our throats, Thompson would be far less of a threat when it comes down to that. How could anyone just "accept" a Hillary or Obama presidency? Good god!
If either one of those two get in, kiss your guns bye-bye. Taxes will go up 30%, socialized medicine, nanny state govt to the extreme. Enjoy!
Me, I'll take Fred Thompson over that alternative.
I have a hard time grasping the concept of "I don't like any of the GOP candidates, so I'll just sit it out and give the white house to Osama or Billary. Great strategy.
If either one of those two get in, kiss your guns bye-bye. Taxes will go up 30%, socialized medicine, nanny state govt to the extreme. Enjoy!
Me, I'll take Fred Thompson over that alternative.
I have a hard time grasping the concept of "I don't like any of the GOP candidates, so I'll just sit it out and give the white house to Osama or Billary. Great strategy.
pacodelahoya
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Don't underestimate the will and power of an armed populace. This ain't 1994, we have had terrorism, katrina and blatant abuse of governmental powers.
More and more people are becoming aware of the reason for the 2nd amendment.
I'll not welcome Hilary or her likes, neither will I welcome another neocon.
This lesser of two evils bull is getting stagnant, I say let's fix it or let's get the party started.
pcosmar
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Redneck with a 40 said,
I would like to see a non violent revolution. That is my hope.
Very likely true, That would bring a revolution.
That would continue the SPP, and the NAU. When the Texans start losing there land for the Trans Texas Corridor, The revolution will be on.
I would like to see a non violent revolution. That is my hope.
Waitone
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I want to see who the heavy hitters are who are attracted to his campaign. I'm already a little uneasy about his record. Seeing the kinds of bugs attracted to his candle will further clarify his positions. I simply do not listen to rhetoric. I want to see actions. If I see who I'm expecting to join the campaign then I'll write him off as another fascist globalist more interested in all things commercial, no different than the republican branch or the Democrat branch.
Michigander
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The Conservatives Against Fred Thompson volunteers have compiled a list of proposals supported by Fred Dalton Thompson in the senate that include Gun Bans, confiscations and limitations to the free speech of Gun Rights Advocates. Dates and bill numbers are provided so this information can be easily verified. Summary:
1. Anti-gun terror bill (S. 735 )
On June 7, 1995, the Senate passed an anti-gun terror bill (S. 735) by a vote of 91-8. This version of the terror bill included: a BATF pay increase of $100 million; a provision authorizing “roving wiretaps” allowing government officials to wiretap one’s home if a person under investigation visits the home — even if one had no knowledge the person was a suspect; a weakening of the Posse Commitatus law to give the military more authority to get involved in law enforcement in certain circumstances; a grant of power to the FBI to conduct “fishing expeditions” and secure one’s financial and travel records in certain circumstances without any evidence one has committed a crime; and finally, the “Randy Weaver entrapment provision” which extends the statute of limitations for violations under the National Firearms Act of 1934 from three to five years. Thompson voted in favor of the bill.
2. Anti-gun terror bill — final passage
On April 17, 1996, the Senate passed the conference version of the anti-terrorism bill by a vote of 91-8. The final version of the bill (S. 735) contained several problems, including ones that will: order an “anti-hunter” rifle and ammo study; authorize a $40 million pay increase for the BATF (through the Treasury Department); potentially punish gun dealers (and individuals) for selling ammunition to someone they should have known would commit a violent crime; federalize many state crimes, thus tremendously increasing the scope and jurisdiction of the BATF; restrict the right of habeas corpus in such a way as to severely damage the ability of the courts to rescue honest gun owners who are unjustly incarcerated; allow the government to use “secret evidence” against certain individuals; remove protections against wiretapping wireless data; and require banks to freeze the assets of domestic groups in certain situations. Thompson once again voted in favor of the bill.
3. Taggants in gunpowder
On September 12, 1996, the Senate voted (57-42) to keep an anti-gun amendment off of the Treasury-Postal appropriations bill (H.R. 3756). The Kerry amendment — which Thompson voted for– would have made funds available for a study of tagging explosive materials, including black and smokeless powders (thus setting the stage for registering ammunition). The amendment also sought to further demonize firearms by selectively examining the misuse of firearms by criminals. The study would not examine the number of times firearms are used to save the lives of decent citizens.
4. Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation gun ban
On September 12, 1996, the Senate passed the Lautenberg gun ban as an amendment to the Treasury-Postal appropriations bill (H.R. 3756). The Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation Gun Ban disarms gun owners for small (misdemeanor) offenses in the home — “offenses” as slight as spanking a child or grabbing a spouse. This lifetime ban, in certain cases, can even be imposed without a trial by jury. It is also retroactive, so it does not matter if the offense occurred 20 years ago. Thompson voted in favor of the amendment.
5. Free Speech restrictions
On October 7, 1997, the Senate defeated an “Incumbent Protection Bill” (S. 25) which would have resulted in the government regulation of GOA’s newsletters and other communications with its members, while expanding the relative political power of the liberal media and other anti-gun forces. Senators failed in their effort, 53 to 47, to shut down a filibuster of the bill that was ostensibly aimed at reforming campaign finance laws.
6. Smith “Anti-Brady” Amendment
On July 21, 1998, pro-gun Senator Bob Smith (R-NH) introduced an “Anti-Brady” amendment that passed by a vote of 69-31. The Smith amendment would prohibit the FBI from using Brady background checks to tax or register gun owners. Further, the amendment requires the “immediate destruction of all [gun buyer] information, in any form whatsoever.” Finally, if the FBI disregards this latter provision, the Smith language will allow private citizens to sue the agency and collect monetary damages, including attorney’s fees. Thompson, in keeping with his tendency to usually vote for expanded federal police power, voted against this limitation of FBI registration of gun owners.
7. Anti-gun Clinton judge appointment
On February 11, 1998, the Senate voted 67-28 to confirm Margaret Morrow to the Federal bench. GOA vigorously opposed this Clinton-appointed judge, as she has not only taken strident anti-gun positions, she has showed herself to be a gun control activist.
8. Anti-gun Surgeon General
Having nominated anti-gun David Satcher for Surgeon General, President Bill Clinton was forced to wait several months as debate raged over his controversial pick. But on February 10, 1998, the President finally realized victory. By a vote of 75-23, anti-gun Republicans teamed up with the Democrats to kill the filibuster over the Satcher nomination. Mr. Satcher was later confirmed by a vote of 63-35. Since the key vote was to end the filibuster, that is the one that was rated by GOA.
9. Ending the filibuster of a major anti-gun crime bill
On July 28, 1999, the Senate ended a filibuster led by Senator Bob Smith (I-NH) — a filibuster intended to keep anti-gun crime legislation from progressing any further. After the 77-22 vote, the Senate moved to send the language of the anti-gun Senate crime bill (S. 254) to a House-Senate conference committee. Thompson voted to break the pro-gun filibuster.
10. Young adult gun ban
The young adult gun ban could severely punish parents who allow their kids to even touch a so-called semi-automatic “assault weapon.” While the amendment allows for certain exemptions, there are some imponderable questions which NO senator could answer, but which a parent would have to answer in order to avoid incarceration. For example: What is a “semiautomatic assault weapon”? The definition, plus exemptions, takes up six pages of fine print in the U.S. Code. Second, a child can handle a banned semi-auto if he is in the “immediate and supervisory presence” of a parent or if he possess a written permission slip from the parent. But what happens when, during a target practice session, the parent walks to the car to retrieve his lunch and the juvenile is no longer in the parents “immediate” presence and does not have a permission slip? A parent can receive jail time for this infraction. The provision passed the Senate on May 13, 1999, with Thompson voting in the majority.
11. Adopting the “Gun Control Lite” strategy
On May 13, 1999, a majority of Senators — including Thompson — defeated a motion to table (or kill) an anti-gun amendment introduced by Senators Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Larry Craig (R-WY). This amendment was offered as an alternative to gun control proposals being pushed by Sen. Frank Lautenberg.
12. McCain’s Incumbent Protection (2000 version)
By 59 to 41, the Senate passed S. 27, to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act to include Incumbent Protection provisions. The bill severely curtails the ability of outside groups such as GOA to communicate the actions of incumbent politicians to members and supporters prior to an election.
13. Incumbent Protection (2002 failed filibuster)
This was the key vote in the Senate regarding the odious Incumbent Protection bill in 2002 (H.R. 2356). The legislation finally became law that year. As he had on previous occasions, Thompson voted in favor of the bill.
source: http://conservativesagainstfred.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/fred-thompsons-anti-gun-senate-record/
1. Anti-gun terror bill (S. 735 )
On June 7, 1995, the Senate passed an anti-gun terror bill (S. 735) by a vote of 91-8. This version of the terror bill included: a BATF pay increase of $100 million; a provision authorizing “roving wiretaps” allowing government officials to wiretap one’s home if a person under investigation visits the home — even if one had no knowledge the person was a suspect; a weakening of the Posse Commitatus law to give the military more authority to get involved in law enforcement in certain circumstances; a grant of power to the FBI to conduct “fishing expeditions” and secure one’s financial and travel records in certain circumstances without any evidence one has committed a crime; and finally, the “Randy Weaver entrapment provision” which extends the statute of limitations for violations under the National Firearms Act of 1934 from three to five years. Thompson voted in favor of the bill.
2. Anti-gun terror bill — final passage
On April 17, 1996, the Senate passed the conference version of the anti-terrorism bill by a vote of 91-8. The final version of the bill (S. 735) contained several problems, including ones that will: order an “anti-hunter” rifle and ammo study; authorize a $40 million pay increase for the BATF (through the Treasury Department); potentially punish gun dealers (and individuals) for selling ammunition to someone they should have known would commit a violent crime; federalize many state crimes, thus tremendously increasing the scope and jurisdiction of the BATF; restrict the right of habeas corpus in such a way as to severely damage the ability of the courts to rescue honest gun owners who are unjustly incarcerated; allow the government to use “secret evidence” against certain individuals; remove protections against wiretapping wireless data; and require banks to freeze the assets of domestic groups in certain situations. Thompson once again voted in favor of the bill.
3. Taggants in gunpowder
On September 12, 1996, the Senate voted (57-42) to keep an anti-gun amendment off of the Treasury-Postal appropriations bill (H.R. 3756). The Kerry amendment — which Thompson voted for– would have made funds available for a study of tagging explosive materials, including black and smokeless powders (thus setting the stage for registering ammunition). The amendment also sought to further demonize firearms by selectively examining the misuse of firearms by criminals. The study would not examine the number of times firearms are used to save the lives of decent citizens.
4. Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation gun ban
On September 12, 1996, the Senate passed the Lautenberg gun ban as an amendment to the Treasury-Postal appropriations bill (H.R. 3756). The Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation Gun Ban disarms gun owners for small (misdemeanor) offenses in the home — “offenses” as slight as spanking a child or grabbing a spouse. This lifetime ban, in certain cases, can even be imposed without a trial by jury. It is also retroactive, so it does not matter if the offense occurred 20 years ago. Thompson voted in favor of the amendment.
5. Free Speech restrictions
On October 7, 1997, the Senate defeated an “Incumbent Protection Bill” (S. 25) which would have resulted in the government regulation of GOA’s newsletters and other communications with its members, while expanding the relative political power of the liberal media and other anti-gun forces. Senators failed in their effort, 53 to 47, to shut down a filibuster of the bill that was ostensibly aimed at reforming campaign finance laws.
6. Smith “Anti-Brady” Amendment
On July 21, 1998, pro-gun Senator Bob Smith (R-NH) introduced an “Anti-Brady” amendment that passed by a vote of 69-31. The Smith amendment would prohibit the FBI from using Brady background checks to tax or register gun owners. Further, the amendment requires the “immediate destruction of all [gun buyer] information, in any form whatsoever.” Finally, if the FBI disregards this latter provision, the Smith language will allow private citizens to sue the agency and collect monetary damages, including attorney’s fees. Thompson, in keeping with his tendency to usually vote for expanded federal police power, voted against this limitation of FBI registration of gun owners.
7. Anti-gun Clinton judge appointment
On February 11, 1998, the Senate voted 67-28 to confirm Margaret Morrow to the Federal bench. GOA vigorously opposed this Clinton-appointed judge, as she has not only taken strident anti-gun positions, she has showed herself to be a gun control activist.
8. Anti-gun Surgeon General
Having nominated anti-gun David Satcher for Surgeon General, President Bill Clinton was forced to wait several months as debate raged over his controversial pick. But on February 10, 1998, the President finally realized victory. By a vote of 75-23, anti-gun Republicans teamed up with the Democrats to kill the filibuster over the Satcher nomination. Mr. Satcher was later confirmed by a vote of 63-35. Since the key vote was to end the filibuster, that is the one that was rated by GOA.
9. Ending the filibuster of a major anti-gun crime bill
On July 28, 1999, the Senate ended a filibuster led by Senator Bob Smith (I-NH) — a filibuster intended to keep anti-gun crime legislation from progressing any further. After the 77-22 vote, the Senate moved to send the language of the anti-gun Senate crime bill (S. 254) to a House-Senate conference committee. Thompson voted to break the pro-gun filibuster.
10. Young adult gun ban
The young adult gun ban could severely punish parents who allow their kids to even touch a so-called semi-automatic “assault weapon.” While the amendment allows for certain exemptions, there are some imponderable questions which NO senator could answer, but which a parent would have to answer in order to avoid incarceration. For example: What is a “semiautomatic assault weapon”? The definition, plus exemptions, takes up six pages of fine print in the U.S. Code. Second, a child can handle a banned semi-auto if he is in the “immediate and supervisory presence” of a parent or if he possess a written permission slip from the parent. But what happens when, during a target practice session, the parent walks to the car to retrieve his lunch and the juvenile is no longer in the parents “immediate” presence and does not have a permission slip? A parent can receive jail time for this infraction. The provision passed the Senate on May 13, 1999, with Thompson voting in the majority.
11. Adopting the “Gun Control Lite” strategy
On May 13, 1999, a majority of Senators — including Thompson — defeated a motion to table (or kill) an anti-gun amendment introduced by Senators Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Larry Craig (R-WY). This amendment was offered as an alternative to gun control proposals being pushed by Sen. Frank Lautenberg.
12. McCain’s Incumbent Protection (2000 version)
By 59 to 41, the Senate passed S. 27, to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act to include Incumbent Protection provisions. The bill severely curtails the ability of outside groups such as GOA to communicate the actions of incumbent politicians to members and supporters prior to an election.
13. Incumbent Protection (2002 failed filibuster)
This was the key vote in the Senate regarding the odious Incumbent Protection bill in 2002 (H.R. 2356). The legislation finally became law that year. As he had on previous occasions, Thompson voted in favor of the bill.
source: http://conservativesagainstfred.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/fred-thompsons-anti-gun-senate-record/
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I'll say it again Michigan, what is the alternative? Are you saying you would rather have a Hillary or Obama presidency over a Thompson presidency? How about Guliani, would you still prefer Hillary or Obama?
I agree, none of the choices are good, but do you really want to see Hillary or Obama elected? They would do far more damage than Thompson could ever do, even in his wildest dreams.
How about Guliani, would you still prefer Hillary or Obama?I agree, none of the choices are good, but do you really want to see Hillary or Obama elected? They would do far more damage than Thompson could ever do, even in his wildest dreams.
geekWithA.45
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I looked at that list a month ago.
Of those charges, 2 have enough substance to be of concern, and the remainder are misrepresentations, mischaracterizations, and 2 aren't even gun related.
What I said at the time still stands:
pcosmar
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geekWithA.45
I do not know who runs that site. I would guess that someone opposed to the CFR agenda, or maybe the present administration.
Since Fred is a member of the CFR and is being backed by the Bush camp, I would say that either is likely.
You agree that 2 of those are true and gun related.
You also said that 2 are true but not gun related.
That should be enough to question his candidacy.
Me, well I just don't trust a slick lawyer and big money lobbyist to have my best interest at heart. I don't trust him.
I do not know who runs that site. I would guess that someone opposed to the CFR agenda, or maybe the present administration.
Since Fred is a member of the CFR and is being backed by the Bush camp, I would say that either is likely.
You agree that 2 of those are true and gun related.
You also said that 2 are true but not gun related.
That should be enough to question his candidacy.
Me, well I just don't trust a slick lawyer and big money lobbyist to have my best interest at heart. I don't trust him.
JohnBT
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Why is it when I look at the June 1-3 Gallup Poll of Republicans and Repub-leaning-Independents I see Ron Paul with ONE PERCENT?
Where's this groundswell of support I keep hearing about?
Is Ron Paul scoring any higher in the Dem polls?
John
Where's this groundswell of support I keep hearing about?
Is Ron Paul scoring any higher in the Dem polls?
John
pcosmar
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It is there. The polls are not asking the right people.
He is also third in money raised, ahead of McCain. Of course Romney has dipped into his own fortune to keep his numbers up.
Of course this news will not be published by the Ministry of Truth.
kcmarine
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Well, now that the "I don't want to see Ron Paul's name" pooch has been officially screwed, this thing needs to be locked.
pcosmar
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Sorry, I was trying to keep it to Fred, but responded to a obvious attack.
Having just read post #1, I'd say that you were a bit heavy on the the orders there, KCmarine. That kind of attitude makes me wanna say RON PAUL three times real loud. Ya see, I ETS'd out of the Army in Sept of '75 and these days I take requests, not orders.
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samtechlan
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I take second place to no one as a Ron Paul supporter but I will admit that if it comes down to Thompson vs. Obama or Hillary I will cast a vote for Fred Thompson with ONE BIG CAVEAT.
If Thompson runs as an out and out Neocon with a "police the world", "make the Middle East safe for Israel/outsource U.S. Middle East policy to Tel Aviv", "let's stay in Iraq for a generation" foreign policy then I will either vote third party or spend election day at the range.
When I come home from the range I will put away the AK's and the ammo, throw back a few Heinekens and ponder how nations (not unlike the current Hilton family ) PISS AWAY the great and glorious legacy bequeathed to them by their Founders.
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71Commander
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pcosmar
How did you derive this;
From this;
How did you derive this;
From this;
71Commander
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geekWithA.45
Their agenda is to get a Democrat in office.
Their agenda is to get a Democrat in office.
pcosmar
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TennTucker
I read back through it. It is possible that I miss read his post.
I have not said that Fred is Anti 2nd.
I do not believe that he is any more Pro Gun than any of the others that have given us more "Reasonable Restrictions" for years. I think he, like many others gives lip service to the 2nd amendment.
It is his other positions, associations and backers that remove him from my consideration.
I read back through it. It is possible that I miss read his post.
I have not said that Fred is Anti 2nd.
I do not believe that he is any more Pro Gun than any of the others that have given us more "Reasonable Restrictions" for years. I think he, like many others gives lip service to the 2nd amendment.
It is his other positions, associations and backers that remove him from my consideration.
seektruth
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Fred Thompson is just as bad as Obama or Clinton, just in a different way. With the dems, we know what they want to do and we all know its bad juju. But with Fred...well, I don't trust a word that guy says at this point. So I have to assume the worst, which is that he'll be just as bad as the dems.
Want a pro-RKBA candidate? Then your best interest is represented by Ron Paul.
Want a pro-RKBA candidate? Then your best interest is represented by Ron Paul.
pacodelahoya
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Who?
pacodelahoya
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Biker, get on down and give me twenty!
ServiceSoon
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ServiceSoon
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My major problem with Fred isn't his gun stance, although this group has went to great lengths to show Fred's true colors about gun rights, but rather about his stance on the Patriot Act, Iraq war, American sovereignty, etc. Basically he is taking us down the same path our current leaders are, which is bad because we are getting closer and closer to socialism or communism in my opinion.
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