Forget about Total Information Management, the TSA is already there!

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U.S. revises air travel screening plan
By Leslie Miller Associated Press
updated: 07/31/2003 11:43 PM


WASHINGTON - The government announced Thursday that it would begin testing a revised nationwide system for checking personal information on every airline passenger. The post-Sept. 11 security initiative has raised concerns about snooping and possible false identification of people as terrorists.

The Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System seeks to streamline the airport screening process by flagging only those passengers deemed potential security risks. That will benefit the vast majority of travelers by ensuring that fewer are stopped, said, James Loy, head of the Transportation Security Administration.

The testing, at a secure government site, will take up to six months. Loy said he hoped to implement the program in about a year.

U.S. airline trade groups issued statements saying they welcomed the plan because it could reduce security hassles that discourage people from traveling.

A first version of the congressionally mandated system, announced in February, brought protests from privacy advocates. They complained that the system would give the government access to more personal information than necessary and allow the government to keep it for up to 50 years.

The advocates also expressed concern that people could wrongly be labeled security threats because their names were the same as terrorists and they would have no recourse to fix the error. Loy said the revised system would prevent that from happening because it confirms people's identities.

Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., said he still had reservations about the plan.

"I don't think enough is known about how they're going to do this," Wyden said. He said it was unclear how someone who has been wrongly identified as a terrorist would seek redress or what privacy rules would be adopted.

In response to criticism about privacy protections, the Homeland Security Department met with privacy groups as it reworked the plan and hired a chief privacy officer, Nuala O'Connor Kelly.

The version announced Thursday stipulates that personal information be deleted from the system shortly after a person completes travel. And less background material will be checked. For example, bank and credit records and medical histories will be off-limits.

People will be able to write or call to find out what information about them is in the database, Kelly said. That was not the case under the original plan.

Under the program, an airline passenger would provide name, birthday, address and phone number when getting a flight reservation. That information would be checked against commercial databases and a score would be generated indicating the likelihood that the passenger's identity was authentic.

A traveler's personal information also would be checked against government databases to determine whether the person was on a computerized terrorism watch list or represented a security risk.

Those deemed an "elevated" or "uncertain" risk would be required to undergo secondary screening with a handheld wand. Anyone deemed a high risk would be brought to the attention of law enforcement officers. These could include violent criminals with outstanding warrants.

The information in the commercial database would include what is known as "credit header information," or information at the top of a credit report. It confirms that a person at a certain address holds credit cards with certain companies but would not disclose details about that person's credit history, said David Sobel, spokesman for the Electronic Privacy Information Center. He was among privacy advocates who were briefed by the government about the plan.

"It's certainly an improvement in some ways, but opening the door to uses beyond aviation security raises some serious concerns," Sobel said, referring to use of the system to track down wanted criminals.

Sobel said he also was concerned that the proposal does not require the government to say exactly where it gets personal information.

Jay Stanley, spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union, said the changes were positive. But he remained wary.

"They haven't transformed a dog into a horse, but they've done some grooming on it," Stanley said. "These are potentially fundamental changes in the relationship of the individual and the government, to have the government assigning risk scores to all of us."

Congress ordered transportation officials to develop an enhanced screening system after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. But some of the harshest criticism of the initial plan came from lawmakers, who recently added the stipulation that federal officials test the program before implementing it.
 
Well, this at least makes a little more sense than inspecting the bras of 16 year old girls.

I believe that the Israelis use a system to profile travelers, instead of treating everyone as an equal threat.

Of course, the phrase "conceived by geniuses, executed by idiots" may also apply.
 
After having been on 10 airplanes this month...

And having only made it through the detectors ONCE without a beep,
(the culprits at various times being my watch, sunglasses, pack of smokes, etc)


All I can say is that while the agents of the TSA are friendly and professional, that doesn't change the fact that huge elements of the underlying plan are badly flawed.

What's good: Everything gets xrayed and sniffed for explosives. You simply don't want those on an airliner, and the cockpit is locked up tighter than a drum.

What's bad: The premise that depriving would be hijackers of nail clippers is actually a worthwhile thing to do, and that massively inconveniencing, and intrusively scrutinizing the vastly honest public is therefore justified. Simply put, "everyone's a suspect, and any means, even when inconsistent with the principles of a free and open society are justified to that end".

It's really an outgrowth of the notion behind gun control: that depriving evil doers of their tools is the key to prevail against evil.

The reality is that NO ONE WILL EVER HIJACK AN AMERICAN AIRLINER EVER AGAIN. They might destroy it, but they will never command it, for the simple fact of the matter that it will be 5-10 bad guys vs 200+ pissed off Americans, who have found that their seat cushion is not only useful as a flotation device, but also as a padded shield.

The very best that the screening of passengers for melee weapons can hope to achieve is to prevent a knife fight at 30k feet.

Is that really worth throwing out 200+ years of Liberty for? Would prevention of a knife fight on a city street be enough to repeal the 4th amendment overall?

I'll place money on the 200+ pissed off Americans every time, and if they happen to have guns, knives and clubs, all the better.
 
Everytime I have to take off my shoes and walk thru the metal detector in sock feet, I always think "don't vorry; Fahzerlahnd Zekurity says I can half mein shoez back------after I go thru ze showerz...."

Fascist thugs.
 
Aeroflot, here we come.

2 of those 10 planes where Aeroflot. (think: city bus with wings, no drop down emergency oxygen, fleas, the overhead luggage rack is just a shelf)

After returning from a city in the south of Russia, about 300 miles from where they have terrorist problems, they inspected all the luggage. Former commies at high alert are less intrusive than the TSA is at condition mauve, or whetever the heck it is today.

Harumph.
 
Let's see if the Feds can actually pull this one off. I've purchased more firearms in the last year than I probably need, I've had a CCW license for the last four years, and I have a black belt in Shorin Ryu. Will I be one of those deemed an "elevated" or "uncertain" security risk while Achmed and his buddies from Riyadh waltz through security like they're taking a stroll through the park on a Sunday afternoon?

All I'm saying is that the Feds need to be smart about this. If they carefully look into a person's background(country of origin), then a lot of the ACLU's flap about unfair racial profiling doesn't even come into play. And if the new screening system is unfair to Saudi nationals attending a flight school in Boca Raton, so be it.

I hope I'm wrong, but my suspicion is that since I don't fit the stereotypical profile of a "sheople" my security risk is automatically elevated.
 
The sidebar to the article (wasn't online, but was in the actual newspaper this morning) said they were going to check magazine subscription databases.

So now all an employee of TSA has to have is Name DOB and address, and I'd be willing to bet you will get hits just from name and DOB, and they can find out all kinds of things.

The possibilites for misuse are endless. Think of the profiles they can deveop by looking at magazine subscription databases. Hmmm....criminal history files, you bank and credit info, your magazine subscritptions, I'm sure Illinois and New Jersey will also have FOID info provided..You've got Shumer et al wanting to link in NICs checks.

That's a lot of information available to any GS03 in the TSA. Not to mention travel agents, airline counter personnel. Then there is the looks of wonder from all your fellow travellers as you are shunted into the extra check line.

Since you'll get race out of NCIC, you'll be able to make sure 20-40 year old men of Middle-Eastern decent are excluded so it doesn't look like th government is profiling.

Jeff
 
The Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System seeks to streamline the airport screening process by flagging only those passengers deemed potential security risks. That will benefit the vast majority of travelers by ensuring that fewer are stopped,

newspeak.


Hard to think of a better, real life (in modern US history), example of too much power in the hands of the govt.

It reeks of "Your papers, bitte?"

I am sure glad we don't have a libertarian administration.:banghead:
 
Terrorists, if you're really worried about the Western way of life, please help us by taking over Mineta's office with boxcutters and hijacking the TSA.
 
That will benefit the vast majority of travelers by ensuring that fewer are stopped,

This is how it all starts.
Why would anyone argue with faster lines at the airport?
Appease the majority while compiling a database on everyone.

Soon when you purchase that seemingly innocent book, your name goes further down the list. Forget about firearms or ammunition.

It may not hamper you at the airport but somewhere down the line it will.

Can the gulag be not far away?
 
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