TSA to Require More ID for Flights

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TSA to Require More ID for Flights

Wednesday, May 04, 2005

WASHINGTON — Airline passengers soon will be asked to provide their full names and birth dates when they buy tickets, information the government says it needs for a new computerized screening system.

The Bush administration is moving ahead with plans to implement the system, called Secure Flight (search), even though concerns about privacy and other issues raised in a congressional investigation have not been fully addressed. A limited rollout of the program is set for later this year.

As part of the Transportation Security Administration's (search) effort to implement Secure Flight, the agency will, within weeks, require airlines to solicit passengers' full names and birth dates. Passengers do not have to provide it, but if they don't there's a better chance they'll have to undergo more stringent screening at the airport, said Justin Oberman, the TSA official who heads the program.

Oberman said having passengers' full names and birth dates will make it less likely that they'll be confused with people who are known or suspected terrorists.

"Far fewer people will be inconvenienced than they are today," Oberman said Wednesday.

Such confusion has brought the TSA much criticism. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (search), D-Mass., is among those whose name matched someone on a watch list.

Congress passed a law last year that said the system couldn't go live until the Government Accountability Office reported it met 10 criteria, including adequate privacy protections, accuracy of data, a system of redress and safeguards to ensure the system won't be abused or accessed by unauthorized people.

In March, the TSA flunked nine of the 10 criteria.

Oberman said the GAO based its conclusions on information collected in February, and that TSA has made progress since then. For example, TSA has set up a redress office that later this year will add staff that can field complaints from people who say they've been misidentified as terrorists, he said.

"A lot has changed," Oberman said. "We're working very closely with GAO and intend to meet all 10 criteria when we start in August."

The government has been looking for ways to upgrade passenger screening since the Sept. 11 attacks. Previous attempts were scrapped amid concerns the government would obtain too much personal information without enough safeguards to keep it private.

Secure Flight would let the TSA take over from the airlines the responsibility of checking passengers' names against lists of known or suspected terrorists. Before a flight takes off, the airlines will send data about their passengers to the TSA, which will check their names against the lists.

The TSA plans to use data from two unidentified airlines in the first phase of Secure Flight, and gradually bring others on line because each airline has unique technical issues.

But Congress may block the effort until the agency can show it has fixed the problems GAO identified.

Cathleen Berrick, director of the GAO's Homeland Security and Justice auditing arm, said several committees have expressed interest in having her office do a follow-up report.

Bruce Schneier, a security expert who serves on the TSA-appointed oversight panel for Secure Flight, criticized the agency for moving ahead before showing the system works.

"There's a lot of real testing that needs to be done, and they're just plowing ahead assuming the testing will come out the way they want," he said. Schneier said he would encourage Congress to keep a close eye on things.

Another issue that has concerned Congress: TSA is testing whether it can verify people's identity by running their names against commercial databases. Some lawmakers are worried that the use of commercial data will delay Secure Flight's progress because of opposition from privacy advocates.

Oberman said a Virginia company named Eagle Force has tested sample passenger information against commercial databases supplied by Arkansas-based Acxiom Corp. Acxiom stirred up controversy after it shared information about JetBlue Airways' passengers — without their knowledge — with a defense contractor in 2002.

Oberman said but no decision has been made on whether commercial databases will be part of Secure Flight.
 
Congress passed a law last year that said the system couldn't go live until the Government Accountability Office reported it met 10 criteria, including adequate privacy protections, accuracy of data, a system of redress and safeguards to ensure the system won't be abused or accessed by unauthorized people.

In March, the TSA flunked nine of the 10 criteria.


That give me faith that this program will be used for the intent it is said to be. :barf:
 
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Why don't they just require bar code tattoos already.

We all know it's coming.





Hey, where'd my tinfoil hat go?
 
From everything I've read, the current computer system won't even take middle names and it causes lots of confusion.

I know, let's just let everyone fly without giving a name.

John
 
JohnBT said:
From everything I've read, the current computer system won't even take middle names and it causes lots of confusion.

I know, let's just let everyone fly without giving a name.

It occurred to me while I was reading the article: Can you currently get on a plane without having ID that somewhere shows your full legal name and DoB? I'd be surprised if you couldn't, but your explanation makes sense in perversely-screwed-up-government-project land.

I have larger questions about commercial air traffic security but requiring ID that shows full legal name and DoB strikes me as non-intrusive.
 
For Sale: Socata TB-9 Tampico. Sale reason: upgrading to faster airplane.

I'm starting to think that this is going to be the only way to travel without getting the nanny state's permission in the near future....
 
You know what? Bring it on. I have to undergo an NICS check to exercise my right to self defense, I don't see why everyone else shouldn't have to go through pretty much exactly the same thing to exercise their right to travel.

In fact, in order for people to buy plane tickets, they should have to fill out a form 3744, affirming that they don't intend to blow up the plane, they've never blown up a plane before, they're purchasing the ticket specifically for their own travel, they've never been convicted of speeding, they don't owe any child support, and that they pledge allegiance to the flag.

There should also be a ten-day waiting period for all ticket purchases, so no one can hijack a plane on a whim. And if you want to schedule a direct flight, avoiding layovers, you should have to pay a $200 tax to the TSA. You're only allowed, of course, to book tickets on pre-existing direct flight routes; no airline is allowed to register a new route. Except for government use, of course.

Oh, brave new world, that has such administrations in it.
 
No problem - I'm changing my name to one letter. I suggest you do the same.

Can you currently get on a plane without having ID that somewhere shows your full legal name and DoB?

Yes, you can. My drivers license has my name shorted to two letters (R R), and I fly by showing that whenever asked. I recently got asked at the library to provide my full name, they said they needed it for "their records". I whipped out my DL and said R R is my full name, see - it's right here on my DL. They accepted it. By the way, R R is not my given name, my parents weren't that obtuse.
 
It occurred to me while I was reading the article: Can you currently get on a plane without having ID that somewhere shows your full legal name and DoB? I'd be surprised if you couldn't, but your explanation makes sense in perversely-screwed-up-government-project land.

You can't. And the rule that says so is secret, to boot.

Check out this site about Gilmore v Ashcroft.

It's not quite up-to-date though and I'm not sure where in the system this case is now.
 
I like Control Group’s idea. Once the travel permits and checkpoints arrive, we’ll look back on the present time as the “good old days.â€

~G. Fink
 
Igloodude - Pretty much all I know about the subject is from some quotes in an article in the Washington Post. It was about a businessman with a very common name who flies in and out of the country a couple of dozen times a year. He was told the reason they keep stopping and delaying him is that the computer doesn't and can't list middle names. He said they have been very nice to him and, him being a consultant and all, have discussed options for improving the database.

They don't like having to delay him over and over and over again even though by now they know him, but the computer won't cooperate.

John
 
what do the rest of you have to hide? No qualms here.

Can't say what I'm really thinking right now, 'cause this is the High Road. Suffice to say, reading things like that convinces me that liberty is truly dead in this country, and that as a people, we deserve what's coming. :(
 
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You know what? Bring it on. I have to undergo an NICS check to exercise my right to self defense, I don't see why everyone else shouldn't have to go through pretty much exactly the same thing to exercise their right to travel.

In fact, in order for people to buy plane tickets, they should have to fill out a form 3744, affirming that they don't intend to blow up the plane, they've never blown up a plane before, they're purchasing the ticket specifically for their own travel, they've never been convicted of speeding, they don't owe any child support, and that they pledge allegiance to the flag.

There should also be a ten-day waiting period for all ticket purchases, so no one can hijack a plane on a whim. And if you want to schedule a direct flight, avoiding layovers, you should have to pay a $200 tax to the TSA. You're only allowed, of course, to book tickets on pre-existing direct flight routes; no airline is allowed to register a new route. Except for government use, of course.

Oh, brave new world, that has such administrations in it.


Ya know, I know this is just dripping with sarcasm, but at its core, it is right on the money
 
Where in the constitution does it say you have the right to fly without identifying yourself?
 
Where in the constitution does it say you have the right to fly without identifying yourself?

Let's keep the cart before the horse, please: Where in the Constitution does it say the government has the right to make us identify ourselves before flying?

Constitution doesn't grant rights; it places restrictions on government.
 
+1, what do the rest of you have to hide? No qualms here.

Some people really just don't get it, do they? Hey, if you have nothing to hide, how about weekly or daily inspections of your home and business? Or how about having your TV turned into a "view screen" that lets the government look into your home? Where do you draw the line?
 
I used to think America had about 20 years before a violent revolution, a revolution against multiple taxes and fees that constitute death-by-a-thousand-cuts and against the zillion rules bureaucrats pass each year.

Now, I give it 8-10, maybe sooner depending on whether Hillary is elected in 2008. Most of the Redneck America and White-Collar America circles I move in (proud member of both ;) ) put ZERO faith in .gov's ability to control the borders, stop terrorism, or manage the economy, and have about had it with the "Leave Your Lives To Us; We Are In Control" crowd. When GW labeled as "vigilantes" good Americans seeking to move the Neighborhood Watch concept to the border, I think many folks finally had the scales fall from their eyes....
 
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