Formative experiences with firearms

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A discussion/argument on a different thread put me into a reflective mood about my exposure to firearms in general and rifles in particular during my youth. Seems like a fun topic to swap stories about.


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I'll start by saying I didn't have anything to do with handguns, centerfire rifles or shotguns until I was well into my 20s. Grandpa owned a couple of shotguns for birding, but most recreational shooting or hunting was done around me with a .22 rimfire.

For my sins, I've lived my entire life in a city (gasp) in Central California (wince). My dad was a country boy from Nebraska who grew up around guns, while mom grew up in urban Chicago; both families were Danish-American, and since the gene pool was too shallow in his home town for my dad's taste, he did his courting at Lutheran church socials in the big city. Mom and dad only moved to Central California in the late 1940s because mom had survived TB and needed a warmer, dryer climate, especially in winter.

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I cannot now recall whether my first shots with a .22 were at a midway shooting gallery, with one of those Remington/Browning .22 Short semiautos that loaded through the butt, or at my Grandpa's farm in central Nebraska. Dad's family was loyal to Monkey Wards, so Grandpa's rifle was probably purchased from their catalog. It had a box magazine because I remember it hanging by it's sling in the hallway with the loaded magazine stored separately.

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Mom didn't hold with guns, so when Grandma bought me a Daisy BB gun it stayed in Nebraska and only got used during visits. In addition, Grandpa let me take the .22 for supervised plinking at his farm, where I also learned to drive the tractor. Grandpa Jake was a USPS rural lettercarrier, but he had a windfall in the early 1940s and ended up with a quarter-section farm. His tiny town of Wolbach only had a couple of retail stores, so during visits I went to the hardware dealer to buy my BBs and rimfire ammo.

When I hit my teens I joined the Boy Scout troop that met at our church.

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We did a few dedicated shooting events, but most of my opportunities to shoot came during summer camp. Camp Chawanakee had dedicated shooting facilities for both archery and rimfire rifles, and whenever I had free time I spent much of it on their rifle range.

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When I turned 16 I got a summer job at the camp teaching archery, and for the next three summers I spent quite a few hours becoming a better 50-foot shot from the prone position. At the end of my last summer there I bought a Savage single-shot .22 from the camp for $15, well-worn but still functional. This joined a Marlin-Glenfield M25 magazine repeater that I'd badgered my dad into buying at K-Mart for my 16th birthday. Later that year he showed me the three old milsurps (a postwar Czech Mauser K98k, No.4 Lee Enfield, and an 1893 Ludwig Loewe Spanish Mauser) he'd purchased at Wards some years earlier -- they were kept well-hidden from mom and she never found out he'd bought them. Since mom kept the household books, there must have been an interesting, untold story about this.

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California wasn't quite so goofy back when Reagan was Governor and S.I. Hayakawa was our US Senator. For example, our high school had a rifle team and the school library subscribed to The American Rifleman. I used to carpool with dad, getting to school around 7 am and then killing time in the library from 7:30 until first class. Over the course of three years I read every back issue of American Rifleman they had at least once.

I did my Hunter Safety training course while in high school at Herb Bauer Sports, one of my favorite haunts for the next 40 years. The staff soon knew me by name, and did a fair job of mentoring my interests. I spent a lot of my disposable income there, even though they were a tad pricey. They did at least give the NRA discount. It was a fairly nice store that did other things like skiing, bicycling, backpacking and fishing, but the owner's first love was their gun department. It had been around long enough to accumulate bits and bobs for their bargain table. The owner died a few years ago and sold their building to Turner Outdoorsman, where some of the staff later found new jobs. I miss the bargain table.

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There were several other gunshops locally, but the other one I liked to frequent was Gilman-Mayfield. I bought my first centerfire rifle from them in 1984, a H&R Topper in .357 Magnum; they closed in 2012, and my last purchase from them was a Ruger Single Six Vaquero in .32 H&R.

The only time I hunted frequently was during a two-year period following graduation from university. I was twiddling my thumbs while looking for permanent work and dad's friend Leland Iversen (another Dane) needed someone to caretake his family farm on the edge of town. There were about 11 acres of aging almond trees that dad and I broke our backs trying to make pocket money from, but most of our effort was spent turning fallen trees into firewood. In between chainsaw sessions I took my Marlin into the orchard to reduce the ground squirrel population. The previous renters hadn't collected the last harvest, and the squirrel population had exploded with nearly unlimited free food. I mostly used CB ammunition since our neighbor on one side was a Catholic cemetery. I bungeed a piece of PVC drain pipe into the old Case tractor to serve as a rifle scabbard, since the squirrels always seemed at their most plentiful while disking up the weeds. I taught myself the rudiments of handloading while my wife and I were living on the Iversen farm, beginning with a Lyman 310 tool and a paperback by George Nonte.

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After I found full-time work with the local public library in 1985, firearms became my most engaging hobby. Shooting was limited to holes in paper on public shooting ranges, and I became more involved with handguns than rifles. Things stayed that way up until retirement in 2011, when my interests broadened from handloading and shooting to include minor-league milsurp collecting.

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My first gun was a Daisy BB gun, sort of like a Red Ryder but with a plastic stock.. The BBs came in plastic sacks (sort of like peanut bags) and I went through a lot of them. Also BBs came in 500 round tubes. I probably put at least 10,000 rounds through it...

I remember my first shot with a real rifle. I was out with my Dad making the rounds on the ranch and checking the stock and the water (that is, making sure that there was nothing wrong with the windmills). We had already gone to the big ranch and were just starting in to the little one (about 800 acres that my brothers and I still hunt). We stopped on the road, and he asked if I wanted to shoot. We got out of the pickup and he got the truck gun, a Savage 6A, that lived in a saddle scabbard in the floorboard of the pickup. He explained how the sights worked and explained how to load the chamber and lock the bolt (I discovered about 6 years later that it actually was a semi-auto. Since its primary use was rattlesnake elimination, and we don't like to keep guns with a live round in the chamber unless we are actively hunting, this issue never came up).

I aimed carefully at a 5 inch prickly pear leaf about 50 feet away and hit it at about where the tip of the hour hand would have been if the pear leaf had been a clock face. Dad said "Not too bad", we put the gun up, and finished our rounds. I floated the 10 miles back home for lunch. After lunch, I dug out the World Book and looked up GUNS. I have been studying them ever since. I was about 8.
 
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Although I was knowledged by the time it happened, I didn’t OWN a firearm until I purchased my first rifle at age 18. My parents would not allow firearms in the house, even though my father was Vietnam Vet Marine & accomplished shooter himself; he owned no firearms! However they were not opposed to me learning. While I first shot my friends air gun for a couple years, at age 12 I started attending actual safety handling & marksman training at the Chester Armory. We had a program through my Church boys group. Several of the Elders were trained & mostly hunters. First 22lr rifles/pistols and 38spl & 9mm pistols. Then we started doing trips to the outdoor Gamelands ranges Pennsylvania hosts. There I had my first taste of high power rifles. 308Win, 12ga, 7.62 with an SKS & 30-06, which I fell in love with and even becoming my first high power rifle caliber.

I’m so glad I was afforded so much exposure to firearms at a young age. It set the tone for my life surrounding firearms. I’ve explored so many avenues with firearms since. From Pistol Competition, hunting, working in the business, becoming an Instructor, and Gunsmithing/building. I’ve been an Armorer of more than a Dozen manufacturers & have in depth. Knowledge & Use of many HUNDREDS of different firearms systems, including nearly 10 different Full Auto firearms. I’ve learned so much and love being involved with & passing on what I know, as well as helping other enthusiasts where I can.
 
I never thought that you might have been young and handsome in yesteryears. I certainly wasn’t. My dad played a big part of my early years. As a lefty, he taught me to shoot right handed which I still shoot to this day. My oldest brother not too interested in spending time with our father and the youngest being more of a momma’s boy. My dad is 88 soon to be 89 in another 20 days. Still a good shot. Shooting was always a side benefit of other chores he needed done. Chopping wood or fixing things. Thanks for sharing Dave.
 
I never thought that you might have been young and handsome in yesteryears. I certainly wasn’t. My dad played a big part of my early years. As a lefty, he taught me to shoot right handed which I still shoot to this day. My oldest brother not too interested in spending time with our father and the youngest being more of a momma’s boy. My dad is 88 soon to be 89 in another 20 days. Still a good shot. Shooting was always a side benefit of other chores he needed done. Chopping wood or fixing things. Thanks for sharing Dave.

89!? WOW! God bless… my dad passed 2 years ago. He was just 70.
 
When I was 8 or 9, my dad bought a 20 ga. H&R break action shotgun (now called the "Trapper," I believe) for my brother and me to "share." That's pronounced "my brother's gun that I was allowed to see on rare occasion." He and I dove hunted with it (not at the same time, obviously) for a few years until Dad bought us 20 ga. 870 Wingmasters. I hunted with that for a number of years, occasionally borrowing an Ithaca Model 37(?) Featherlight to use in its stead. I still have that 870 and if I had a place to dove hunt, I'd still take it today. Although, I must admit that I might opt for something other than the 28" full-choke barrel that it came with.

Around age 12, I got my Standard Issue Ruger 10/22. Wood stock and iron sights, but I got a Telstar scope for my next birthday. I shot it configured just like that for about 35 years. In my late 40s, Mrs. McGee informed me that she didn't like the trigger, so I had a trigger job done. That appears to have opened the flood gates, as I've put on a new stock, new scope, and a threaded barrel, all since then. And I'm about to replace the scope with a red dot. It's a plinker, and I quite frankly put too much scope on it for that. Oh, and by the way, when I googled Telstar scopes to see if it was worth anything, all I got was a bunch of vintage sites . . . go figure.

Sometime between 13 and about 17, I got my first pistol, a Ruger Semiautomatic .22. Before they called them "Mark" anything. I eventually sold that one to help fund Mark IVs for me and Mrs. McGee. I have mild regrets over selling it, but I don't really think I would have shot it much after getting our Mk IVs.

On my 18th birthday, Dad wanted to buy me a gun. So we went to the gun show and I picked out a 1911 in .45. My Dad told me it was "too much gun" for me, so he bought me a Colt Peacekeeper in .357 Magnum. (Yeah, Dad, because a .45 1911 is so much "more gun" than a .357 revolver . . . ) I shot it a few times, but I'm not much of a revolver guy, so I eventually sold that one, too. No regrets on selling that one.

I grew up in a place and time when my buddies and I could go out shooting on our own. We'd load up a few guns and ammo, head out to a farm, and rain death on the soup cans. The grownups did like to know when we went and when we expected to be home, but we (the teenagers) understood that going out with guns was somewhat more dangerous than our usual activities, so we tried to let the grownups know. This was before cell phones, so if we couldn't reach any parents, we left them a note on the kitchen table. It was a given that we'd be allowed to go, so asking permission wasn't a prerequisite.

My high school offered a class called "Arkansas Outdoors." I never took it, but it was very popular. It included all kinds of outdoor-type activities, including a gun safety section. If memory serves and my information was correct in the first place, the high school owned the .22s that were used during that section, and it included target practice.
 
Around age 12, I got my Standard Issue Ruger 10/22. Wood stock and iron sights, but I got a Telstar scope for my next birthday. I shot it configured just like that for about 35 years. In my late 40s, Mrs. McGee informed me that she didn't like the trigger, so I had a trigger job done. That appears to have opened the flood gates, as I've put on a new stock, new scope, and a threaded barrel, all since then. And I'm about to replace the scope with a red dot. It's a plinker, and I quite frankly put too much scope on it for that. Oh, and by the way, when I googled Telstar scopes to see if it was worth anything, all I got was a bunch of vintage sites . . . go figure.

I went to visit my inner 14-year-old on the range last Friday with a couple of .22 semiautos, including my red dot 10/22ish featherweight: https://utreon.com/v/ryoJUbtmRkG

That sight's a Trijicon RMR dual illumination. I originally bought it for my Glock, but I later replaced it with a Leupold Delta Point Micro. Now it's serving on rifle that cost me less to build than its own retail price. :-/
 
Well pre memory my Mom tells me my favorite teething toy was a little toothbrush, that handle of which was shaped like a revolver sized for an infant.

Doubt you will see many of those any more.

Lots of toy guns as a crumb snatcher.

Got a Daisy for my fifth Christmas. Dad and PaPa (Mom’s Dad) taught me to shoot it.Dad was still smoking and smoked Lucky strikes so that big red ball on the label made a handy target. When I could keep ten in a row in the red I would back up and shoot from further away.

Dad originally would unscrew “barrel” insert and keep it and let me keep the rest of the air gun as a pop gun. He encouraged me to use the sights even if I was only making sound.

When he was home from work he would eventually let me have the BB launching section and let me shoot in the back yard unsupervised.

An aunt gave me these awful toy soldiers that had claws for hands so you could stick seperate toy rifles and such in. I disliked them.

They became BB gun targets. About half a year into the BB “rifle” I was shooting these bluish beasties “shot gun style” that is pointing rather than aiming and so missing some high. Dad’s baby brother, about to start Senior year of high school was over and saw me missing a few with unaimed fire. He allowed he was a better shot with his Daisy air pistol than I was with my “rifle” and bet me so with our guns as the prizes. Needless to say for the contest I aimed and won. Uncle was good at his word and gave me the air pistol …. and then there were two. Cocking the air pistol was extremely difficult so Dad let me keep it intact sure I could not cock it. Of course I figured a non standard way to cock it.

When Dad learned I had been doing so for over a week and not shot my sister’s eye out or destroyed any propperty that would require him to “nip it, nip it in the bud” He gave me the BB launcher for my Air rifle.

Mom’s big concern was that I would forgo a candy bar to buy a pack of BB’s and I might starve.

Dad and PaPa took me to a big oak hammock and At aged six and I shot a .22 Winchester Model 67 single shot bolt action I missed my first squirrel with that rifle. The three of us shared it that morning and the squirrels were only fightened.

I ended up just before the end of season that year hunting with a Winchester Model 37 single shot .410 shot gun…. and limited out the first day.

Yes .410 #7&1/2 Three inch were a lot more expensive than .22 Shorts per round, yet it was amazing how a squirrel hit with a .410 was tastier and more filling than any number of squirrel missed with a .22!

So before Seven I had some rifle and shot gun experience and Experience with both long and handgun air guns.

It was something I could do well and got compliments from the adults on.

Liking guns and shooting was thus sort of a done deal and would grow from there.

First “Real” handgun….22 Ruger Bearcat
centerfire pistol Walther PP in.32

Center fire rifle… Store branded Marlin 336 in .30-30

First 12 gauge store branded Mossberg 500

At 11 a Daisy CO2 200 pistol took over for high round count

My first year in Boy Scouts included Summer camp and the rifle range, where I used a Browning T Bolt with rear aperture sight supplied by my instructor, gun writer and collector John T. Malloy.

At Twelve a new Savage Gill gun joined my Winchester single shot

At 14 I got an RST-4 Ruger pistol….

… and then JROTC happened…..

My kids have shot BB guns in the back yard, fired BP hand guns, both taken Appleseed courses with 10/22 Appleseed Rifles I put together, but both together have not a eighth of the experience I had by HS graduation

At best they are mildly interested in firearms.

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I had no such experience. At 16 I got a BB gun given to me by a "Rebel" uncle that drew the ire of my anti gun parents. I only got to shoot it a handful of times before going off to college. Mostly at a can on a sand dune with no one around for miles. The way my parents sounded, you would think that little BB gun launched a nuclear warhead.

Then I went off to college, which had an ROTC program. Part of that program was everyone had to be qualified with a service rifle. At the time it was an M16A2. At that point I was hooked on shooting. Sophomore year I enlisted and went to Ft Benning that summer to get plenty more firearms training on everything a grunt would come across in a typical armory. My tastes in personal firearms evolved from experience and training I have been apart of. With little impact from my "nurture" years growing up.
 
I had no such experience.

If I may disagree, I think formative refers to an epiphany not a tutelage. I hope you won't find the comparison trite or disrespectful, but as with religion some have been born into a church and others discover it on their own.

FWIW, Othias at C&rsenal evidently didn't have any significant experience with firearms until well into adulthood, when he shot a Mosin-Nagant for the first time. https://utreon.com/v/2nWzwCeN8zY
 
If I may disagree, I think formative refers to an epiphany not a tutelage. I hope you won't find the comparison trite or disrespectful, but as with religion some have been born into a church and others discover it on their own.

No offense taken at all. I suppose it all boils down to what you call formative. By the time I was 16, 9/11 had already happened. I had my mind on military service watching those towers burn, and eventually fall. I was always interested in firearms, but with anti parents I never had the outlet to explore it the way many other kids did. With my son I am trying to avoid that. Any time he wants to do target practice, we go. Thankfully he is at the age where it is still air or spring powered and we can shoot on my property.
 
No offense taken at all. I suppose it all boils down to what you call formative. By the time I was 16, 9/11 had already happened. I had my mind on military service watching those towers burn, and eventually fall. I was always interested in firearms, but with anti parents I never had the outlet to explore it the way many other kids did. With my son I am trying to avoid that. Any time he wants to do target practice, we go. Thankfully he is at the age where it is still air or spring powered and we can shoot on my property.


Formative in this sense simply means those times through your life that Firearms had an impact on who you have become. Those times & stories that have led you to your current affairs with firearms. And you just told us one of those stories.:D
 
I have probably told this story before. If so please forgive as I will hit my 85th year mark in a couple of months and my memory isn't what it used to be. In fact not much of anything about me is what it used to be. :(

I grew up on a farm that was fronted on two sides by ranches that together comprised 144 sections of land so space wasn't a concern. I shot my dad's Remington for the first time when I was 5 years old I think. As soon as I was big enough to handle it I was allowed to hunt with it and it did in many a cottontail and jackrabbit. We ate the cottontails and fed the jackrabbits to our dog. On my 11th Christmas I found my very own semi-auto 22 under the tree. I bought my first 22 pistol when I was not quite 18 years old but never bought a shotgun until I was married and had children.
 
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My early years were filled with guns..... Squirt guns and cap guns mostly. Occasionally got to shoot someone else's BB gun although I never did get to own one. Back about 1960 you could still purchase mil-surp bolt guns by mail order. I recall being able to purchase an old mil-surp in .30-06 for $9.95 plus shipping in that era. IIRC it was a beat-up old Mauser. I know some of the South American Mausers were rebarreled in .30-06. Along with two friends we all decided to pool our money and get one. We thought we had it all figured out until we couldn't find where to have it shipped. Having a full size centerfire rifle delivered to any of our homes would have aroused the parents and gotten us in a lot of trouble. Never did come up with a solution to that problem. That was the first time I ever lusted after a Mauser so when I got older I made sure to own a few.
 
By the time I was 16, 9/11 had already happened. I had my mind on military service watching those towers burn, and eventually fall.

That really hits home for me: my father died on September 7th and his funeral was held on the morning of 9/11/2001. I was so deeply wrapped up inside my personal bubble of grief that the other events of that day didn't break through until that afternoon. Coincidental timing, but highly surreal.

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My father was not a shooter but he did have an old single shot 22 something for shooting rats in our chicken houses. That was the rifle that I took my first shot with at an early age. At age of 8 my folks took a job running the kitchen at a summer camp so I had the chance to learn some marksmanship there,rifle and archery, and I was hooked.

Around age 13/14, in the 1960's, I was lucky enough to join the Junior rifle club and shot 4 position 22 till I was 17. Got pretty good too. But then my Dad passed away so I had to get a job and finish high school so my shooting got set aside.

The men who volunteered for that one night a week at the club were the ones who influenced me the most.
Wish they were still around so I could thank them...
 
Dad got in trouble back in the Marines and was banned from owning guns and Mother was a Hollywood valley girl, so my early contact with firearms was through Roy Rogers and other TV shoot-em-ups. My normal garb from the age of two involved a cowboy hat and a gun belt.

Dad stayed in trouble so we moved at least three times per year through my formative years. We landed in an old farm house near a gold rush ghost town site that had no electrical wiring and had a hand pump in the kitchen. That's where I was presented with my first BB rifle. I didn't have it long, as I had to shoot my homicidal older sister in the rump after she tried to push me into a flooded basement hole.

Several moves later we wound up in an unfinished rural house that had been abandoned hastily by their previous tenants. Poking around in the remaining debris led me to acquire my first operable firearms - a Baby Colt clone and a bolt-action ,22 rifle. I snuck the .22 out and shot up the loads in the gun before Dad took both guns and sold them for cigarette money.

Shortly after that, Mother gave birth to my middle sister and moved in with her parents. Dad and I hitch-hiked from Southern Oregon to his parents' place in down town Los Angeles.

I had just turned six.

I found other firearms in unlikely places in subsequent years. but they just came and went. It wasn't until I was in my late teens and had a job as a security guard at a logging road construction site that I was able to buy and keep a gun of my own - first, a little R/G-14 that I originally bought as a signalling device but found to be an accurate and reliable gun. A little later I found an AR-7 in a backpack that was floating in the Rogue River below Rainey Falls.

Dad eventually did away with both of these, so I picked up an 1858 Remington clone, That one I managed to keep to this day.
 
When I was about 7 or 8 years old my maternal grandfather took me to my paternal grandmother's house. She raised chickens on her 20 acres which was once a dairy. He decided that he wanted some chicken for the freezer.

My grandmother had a coat hanger bent into a hook on the end that she would hook a chicken by its legs, wring its neck, pluck it, clean it and have it in the frying pan or oven in short order. As I recall, she could do this in about 5 minutes.

Anyway, as my grandfather was hooking chickens, my grandmother came out of the house with a .22 rifle. It was a Springfield that didn't have a magazine making it a single shot, and a handful of ammo. She told me to hit the chicken in the head, Don't waste any meat!

So I started hunting chickens. One ran by me, I tracked it with the rifle and took my shot. The chicken immediately folded up and after a somersault or two stopped moving. My grandmother yelled "you got it, go over, step in its head and pull its head off". I ran over and saw that there was no head, just a beak sticking out of its neck. I guess my aim was true.
 
This subject touches on a tale I'm sure many of you have heard before but I'm old and forgetful and so tend to repeat myself.

The time is the early 1950s in Baltimore Maryland and I was most likely in the second or third grade. Mornings at school always started with reciting the NEW Improved Pledge of Allegiance with the new words added followed by singing a couple stanzas of Maryland My Maryland. Next came "Show-n-Tell".

My dad had recently shown me the 1911 that somehow seemed to have followed him home from his four year all expenses paid tour of the Mediterranean, North Africa, Italy and the Persian Gulf. It was the first REAL gun I ever held, big and heavy and the bullets were big and heavy and my dad taught me the four basic rules about guns which were slightly different than those common today.

I took the gun and one bullet to school the next day for "Show-n-Tell" and also told all the kids the four rules my dad had taught me.

If you find a gun don't touch it.
Don't let any of your friends touch it.
Tell one of the kids to run get a grownup.
Stay beside the gun until a grownup arrives.

The teacher passed the gun around the room so everyone could feel how heavy it was and also passed the bullet around. There was the one kid that immediately tried to do a pow pow and was told that guns are NOT toys and NEVER play with a real gun.

Then she had us all talk about what to do if we found a gun and why.

It seems she really liked what I did and so took me to a couple other classes to give the "Show-n-Tell". But the gun was really heavy so she let me put it in her desk drawer until it was time to go home.

To the best of my knowledge the drawer was never locked and the room never locked even if empty during lunch or recess and no one panicked and no parents sued the school and I got a Gold Star that day.
 
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