Former Coroner Dumps Live Hand Grenade in Cistern

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A former Lorain County, Ohio coroner decided the best way to dispose of a live hand grenade that he had used as a booby trap to protect his gun collection, was to dump it in his cistern. Note this man is retired Army Brigadier General, and was a co-inventor of the KTW Teflon-coated bullet.

Link to Article
http://www.chroniclet.com/2007/06/01/blast-from-the-past/

Link to video
http://youtube.com/?v=attsGUeQsPg

Shawn Foucher | The Chronicle-Telegram
Former county coroner’s old hand grenade causes some new problems

LORAIN — Two seemingly unrelated events Thursday — a hand grenade recovered from a cistern in Lorain and scholarships doled out at a local high school — turned out to be loosely connected in the most remarkable of ways.
The strange events began about 2 p.m. Thursday, when Lorain police received a phone call from someone saying there was a hand grenade inside a cistern buried next to a Cooper Foster Park Road home.
Lorain Police Lt. James McCann responded to the address: 710 Cooper Foster Park Road, a cozy cut of land that holds a two-story brick home, a detached two-car garage, an underground shooting range and a grenade-laden cistern.
“We don’t get too many calls like this,” McCann said later.
McCann said he called the utilities department, which showed up with an underwater camera so workers could look inside the cistern’s nine feet of water. And sure enough, there it was: an altered hand grenade that Karl Yost of the county bomb squad labeled “highly explosive.’’
Yost was one of about 22 emergency officials — from the Lorain County Emergency Management Agency, Lorain firefighters and LifeCare paramedics — who swarmed the property after the device’s discovery. Officials say it probably had been in the cistern for a few weeks, maybe as long as a month.
Luckily, the retrieval of the device came off without a hitch. Emergency crews snagged the grenade, secured it in a container, and cleared the scene by 5 p.m.
But the grenade’s story was only just beginning.
As it turns out, the home where the cistern is located is the former digs of Paul Kopsch, Lorain County coroner from 1958 to 1972. Kopsch, 82, donated the property to his alma mater, Swarthmore College. The college recently looked to sell the property, so Kopsch — who moved to an assisted living facility on Detroit Road in Avon recently — said he had to take care of a few things at the Cooper Foster Park Road home in recent months.
Among them: Getting rid of the hand grenade.
You see, Kopsch is something of a mythical figure among the law enforcement community.
When asked about him, county Sheriff Capt. Rich Resendez was among the first to point out that Kopsch was among three inventors who created the now-outlawed KTW round, a Teflon-coated bullet capable of piercing bullet-proof vests.
According to the Swarthmore College Web site, Kopsch and two other men invented the bullet in the 1960s because police were looking for firepower that had a little more oomph than the typical .38-caliber rounds that bounced off fleeing cars driven by unsavory characters.
The bullet — later dubbed by some as the “cop-killer” — eventually was taken off the market because of its lethal power, Resendez said, though Kopsch still made his mark on firearms history.
Kopsch, contacted at the assisted-living facility, had a simple explanation for the hand grenade.
An avid firearms collector, mostly antique pistols, Kopsch stored the guns — which he said numbered in the hundreds — in a gun room on the second floor of his Cooper Foster Park home. But there were burglaries all along the East Coast some 30 years ago in which criminals were targeting large gun collections, Kopsch said.
So Kopsch figured out how to booby-trap a wooden box that held his most-prized pistols: He used a hand grenade.
Kopsch said he altered the grenade slightly, so that it would explode if anyone opened the box. Of course, no one ever opened it.
“The police knew about it,” Kopsch said, chuckling. “They always said they didn’t have to check the house to see if it was broken into; they just had to drive by and see if the wall was blown out.
“I didn’t want any of the good guys to get hurt,” he said. “It was just there for the bad guys.”
So where did the hand grenade come from? In addition to a storied career in the medical field, Kopsch spent 24 years in the military. He’s a World War II veteran who eventually acquired the rank of brigadier General in the U.S. Army.
The long and the short of it: He collected a few things along the way, including a hand grenade.
When Kopsch began selling off his gun collection some years ago, he used the money from the gun sales to fund scholarships for Lorain County students headed to college. Since 1982, Kopsch said he’s given more than $514,000 in scholarships to local high school students.
And as it so happened, he was at a Clearview High School scholarship ceremony Thursday night handing out college money from his “Challenge for Tomorrow Scholarship.”
Clearview High School is about a mile from his former Cooper Foster Park Road home, where the bomb squad and police were plucking the hand grenade from the cistern.
These days, Kopsch is an entirely likable guy with an easy chuckle followed by an occasional cuss word.
He said he only recently worked up the nerve to deactivate the booby trap on that old gun box, but in turn was left with a dilemma: How to get rid of a highly explosive grenade that packs enough blast and shrapnel to tear a man apart?
“I wasn’t about to put it in the trash and leave it for the trash man,” Kopsch said. “So I dropped it in the cistern where it can soak up the water.”
He dropped the grenade in the cistern “a week or so ago,” and told the Realtor about it when Swarthmore College was looking to sell the house.
“Swarthmore said, ‘You gotta get that doggone grenade out of the cistern,’” Kopsch said.
That finally happened Thursday.
“I’m glad they got professional help,” Kopsch said of the bomb squad, firefighters and police retrieving the device.
Resendez said he wasn’t sure if there were any laws against booby-trapping one’s home with an explosive device — basically an ordinance against ordnance.
“I can’t tell you if we are or aren’t going to charge him,” Resendez said. “Basically … it’s like putting up an electric fence and a kid gets shocked.”
For now, Resendez said law enforcement officials may look to Kopsch for restitution to pay the cost of securing and disposing of the grenade.
Of course, that means a lot of scholarship money could be taken away from a lot of students.
Contact Shawn Foucher at 329-7197 or [email protected].


I wonder how that visit from the police and BATFE will go. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at that meeting.
 
If the grenade had just gone off for some reason while inside the buried cistern full of water what would have happened?

Reading this story only fuels my distrust of the media
 
Resendez said he wasn’t sure if there were any laws against booby-trapping one’s home with an explosive device — basically an ordinance against ordnance.

Wow, that's... first semester property law. All those "spring gun" cases are directly on point. Criminality aside, you're on the hook for massive tort liability to anyone you injure with that kind of BS. Does anyone really not know that? I don't have the books handy, but IIRC the leading case on the subject is from what, 1925, 1930? No blowing up burglars!

And hey... a Grenade. That's not like you got some DuPont Red Cross from your local road contractor, there are serious prohibitions against having that kind of thing, and then you go and booby trap your home with it? It'd be cheaper to let the burglar strip the home to the studs than to pay his/her survivors after the lawsuit.
 
You see, Kopsch is something of a mythical figure among the law enforcement community.
When asked about him, county Sheriff Capt. Rich Resendez was among the first to point out that Kopsch was among three inventors who created the now-outlawed KTW round, a Teflon-coated bullet capable of piercing bullet-proof vests.
Translation: Kopsch was friends with the cops. Hence the cops never arrested him for possessing a grenade.

Lesson learned: "Get in good" with the local PD, and the law will look the other way when you commit a felony.
 
For one, there would be a nice geyser from the cistern opening. Since most cisterns are a layer of sparged brick I would assume that the bottom/wall would be shattered.

Resendez said he wasn’t sure if there were any laws against booby-trapping one’s home with an explosive device — basically an ordinance against ordnance.
I’m reasonably sure that the ATF will have something to say about him having a DD!
 
Wow, that's... first semester property law.

Just like a dumb crook to bring along a live hand grenade when he trys to burglarize my home. I suppose he though he was going to bust open my gun box with it to get at my good stuff ! :neener:
 
For one, there would be a nice geyser from the cistern opening. Since most cisterns are a layer of sparged brick I would assume that the bottom/wall would be shattered
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But what danger would it pose if detonated inside the cistern, assuming that noone was standing on top of the opening at the time?

The walls and water would have contained the shrapnel which is the deadly portion of a grenade
I remember being very disillusioned at the explosive power of a grenade in basic training
 
joab: But what danger would it pose if detonated inside the cistern, assuming that noone was standing on top of the opening at the time
None. Worst case scenario is someone gets wet if standing beside the opening. Not very likely that shrapnel will go through 9 feet of water.
 
I can remember, while taking part in live fire exercises in south east asia, using hand grenades for fishing. These were the common garden variety M-26 fragmentation grenades. We were fishing from a bridge over a creek/small river about 6 to 8 ft. deep. The results fell somewhat short of my expectations. You could barely hear them go off, just a very muffled thud and a few bubbles. No roar and gyser like in the movies. They did kill the fish in respectable numbers. I suspect it would have made very little noise, no shrapnel but the pressure could have fractured the wall rendering the cistern useless. :)
 
Considering they got the Teflon thing wrong I do not believe any part of this article (Which is typical of the news media)
 
so, maybe I'm not the brightest guy, but if he was trying to protect valuable guns from being stolen, wouldn't the grenade just destroy them completely when it went off? If someone stole them from him, they may get caught and/or the guns turn up someday, and he could ge them back.With his grenade trap, the guns will be destroyed with no hope of salvage...doesn't make much sense to me at all.Seems like he was more interested in killing a burglar than protecting his valuable collection.....

h, and the cops seriously don't know if possesing (a VERY likely stolen from the military, from the sounds of it) grenade, and using it as a booby trap, then just dumping it, is illegal? WOW! These are either the world's dumbest cops, or they REALLY liked this guy and are hoping this will blow over.Either way, WOW!
 
The whole look the other way has happened since forever. I have witnessed it more times that I care to recall. Secure the weapons legally.
 
Cops protect their own, period.
That is just another example of the lack of integrity endemic to law enforcement.
It is rather sad that it has gotten so bad that the "blue wall of silence" is now intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer.

Whatever happened to stand up cops like Marshal Dillon (I know he was a tv character)
 
Fella's;

If one reads between the lines of the article, it sounds as though he had modified the fuse & severly cut the delay time, which would mesh with the booby-trap idea. That would also explain why he didn't just pull the pin, drop it in the cistern, and let it dispose itself.

I also agree that "protecting" one's prized collection with a device that could render them into scrap was not the most intelligent solution to the problem.

900F
 
First off I agree that protecting a collection with an explosive booby trap makes little sense. A spring gun would have been better, still illegal but you could always claim you shot him ;) . Lets look at potential charges this guy may/should face (I say should because if I were caught with a grenade I would be looking over my shoulder for the next 5 years in the shower of a federal prison).

1.) Possesion of an unregistered destructive device.

2.) Possesion of stolen military property.

3.) Public endangerment.

4.) I don't know what you would call the charge but building booby traps is illegal.

I'm sure a ruthless DA could come up with more than the four I listed. This ticks me off because I know a guy in prison right now for NFA violations. He was a good guy as well, but because he was not a made man with the local LEOs he got the shaft. I want every cop on that dept that ever arrested a person on any unconstitutional gun charges, but let this guy slide fired.
 
According to the Swarthmore College Web site, Kopsch and two other men invented the bullet in the 1960s because police were looking for firepower that had a little more oomph than the typical .38-caliber rounds that bounced off fleeing cars driven by unsavory characters.
Um ... I thought that was what the .357 magnum was invented for - way back in the 1930s :rolleyes:

To heck with teflon - I just coat my bullets with bear grease. It lets them slide right through plate glass without even leaving a hole. :D
 
And don't forget the latest and greatest, domestic terrorism.
Wonder if it WAS a registered DD.

Tallpine, that was the 38 Super, in the 30s.
 
it sounds as though he had modified the fuse & severly cut the delay time, which would mesh with the booby-trap idea.
That's my problem with these media pieces.
You are left to fill in the blanks with your own logical speculation

Nowhere was it implied that he had modified the fuse, he could have simply pulled the pin and stuiffed the grenade in a peach can positioned to drop the grenade on the floor in front of the box at the burgler's feet, which would also mesh with the booby traps taught by the military
The box could have been a steel strong box that would have protected the contents.
 
From what I recall, the "teflon" coating wasn't to aid in 'sliding' the bullet through the target, but rather protected the guns bore from the hardened metal used for the projectile and actually provided additional grip for penetration of glass windshields at oblique angles.
 
Yeah, the bullets were brass or something and the teflon was just there to protect the bore.

Anything wronng with tying a 10 ft or however long string to the pin of the grenade and dropping it in?
 
He's an 82 year old WWII veteran living in a nursing home, who donates lots of money to charity and has an impecible war and police record, and has saved numerous lives in his medical career. My guess is that they won't prosecute him.
Mauserguy
 
Nomad, what part did they get wrong about the Teflon? (I'm not defending the article, just curious about the facts)

Joab, people speculate because the either the cops don't give details, the media doesn't understand them, or the media cuts the details to make the story fit the space, or because they think the average reader will zone out of the article, or because they don't want to give ideas to anyone else. This paper is no better or worse than any of our other northeast Ohio papers. I'm not defending them, just speculating too.

Glockfan, forget about the DA pushing hard. He's a former high-ranking cop from the next city. The cops love him. His predecessor, however, put people in jail when no crime was committed, so maybe the DA can borrow him from back from the US District Attorneys' office (his reward from Bush for being a good fundraiser), to prosecute this case.
 
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