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So you don't think the fact that rpg's, mortars, and grenade launchers are hard to get, rare, require a registration stamp, and are prohibitively expensive have anything to do with their lack of availability and use in criminal activities? Seems that the current lack of availability and NFA regulations does a great job of keeping mortars, rpg's, and grenade launchers out of crime scenes.

The argument "you don't like it? leave" is used by both sides of the debate. I do agree that it is a pretty childish argument.
Handguns in the state of Michigan require duplicate background checks, one at the state level to acquire the permit to purchased, and a NICS check at the time of purchase. All legal handguns are registered. Still, amazingly, handguns account for the majority of weapons used by criminals. This shows me that despite the increased difference in difficulty to obtain a handgun over a rifle or shotgun, the handgun is still used in more crimes than either rifles or shotguns.
While there admittedly are more handguns than rockets and missiles, one could logically argue that despite the heavy restrictions, destructive devices should still account for some unlawful use.

A mortar, or a rocket, isn't all that difficult to build, so through-legal-channels acquisition isn't even really necessary. The reason these aren't used in many crimes is more due to the criminals ignorance in their operation than their limited availability. Any banger can hold a stolen Glock sideways an squeeze the trigger, but it takes skill, knowledge in trigonometry, patience and other acumen that the average street thug lacks to effectively operate a mortar or most any other MANPAD weapon system.

The level of intimidation afforded to an RPG should increase their appeal to the dregs, as intimidation is an equally effective means. I'm not complaining about their lack of use in crime, but I do suspect the reason for that lack of use isn't effective control measures. Given a couple hundred bucks, I could build a rocket launcher and multiple rockets. The explosive wouldn't be a effective as military hardware, but the delivery system could be.
 
So of parity with the military is impossible, no matter how many mortars and RPGs we the people own, then why bother with restricting them? If a full auto M-16 is no match for the main battle tank, why is ownership of full auto so heavily regulated? If an RPG is no match for a ballistic missile sub, why does it matter if law abiding people own them in greater numbers?

If the whole purpose of the 2A, being civilian parity with government forces is a lost cause because of the technology monopoly of said government forces, why not let we the people own newly made belt feds? It won't make any difference to a squadron of F-22 Raptors dropping JDAMs on main street.
 
So you don't think the fact that rpg's, mortars, and grenade launchers are hard to get, rare, require a registration stamp, and are prohibitively expensive have anything to do with their lack of availability and use in criminal activities? Seems that the current lack of availability and NFA regulations does a great job of keeping mortars, rpg's, and grenade launchers out of crime scenes.

I'm pretty sure criminals don't care about NFA requirements. If they felt they required one, for whatever reason, they would get (fill in the blank). Plenty of machine guns and RPG's and other devices are available world wide. They certainly wouldn't go through NFA channels to get such devices.
 
Handguns in the state of Michigan require duplicate background checks, one at the state level to acquire the permit to purchased, and a NICS check at the time of purchase. All legal handguns are registered. Still, amazingly, handguns account for the majority of weapons used by criminals. This shows me that despite the increased difference in difficulty to obtain a handgun over a rifle or shotgun, the handgun is still used in more crimes than either rifles or shotguns.
While there admittedly are more handguns than rockets and missiles, one could logically argue that despite the heavy restrictions, destructive devices should still account for some unlawful use.

A mortar, or a rocket, isn't all that difficult to build, so through-legal-channels acquisition isn't even really necessary. The reason these aren't used in many crimes is more due to the criminals ignorance in their operation than their limited availability. Any banger can hold a stolen Glock sideways an squeeze the trigger, but it takes skill, knowledge in trigonometry, patience and other acumen that the average street thug lacks to effectively operate a mortar or most any other MANPAD weapon system.

The level of intimidation afforded to an RPG should increase their appeal to the dregs, as intimidation is an equally effective means. I'm not complaining about their lack of use in crime, but I do suspect the reason for that lack of use isn't effective control measures. Given a couple hundred bucks, I could build a rocket launcher and multiple rockets. The explosive wouldn't be a effective as military hardware, but the delivery system could be.

Handguns are not universally restricted across the united states, so the availability of handguns in areas where they are not supposed to be is not a valid comparison to NFA nationwide regulated weapons.

Destructive devices do in fact account for unlawful use. Gruff the crime dog, or the actor that played him for 15 years, was just busted with 1k marijuana plants and an illegal grenade launcher. There are other instances where explosive devices were seized in recent years from criminals. Rare, yes. Unheard of, no.

Anybody can build a "launcher". Nobody cares about the delivery system. Yea, you can fire bombs through a crude tube. Ammo is the tough part.

I will say I feel you are greviously exaggerating your abilities to build an rpg as good as an RPG-7 or a mortar for "a few hundred bucks". Even a delivery system. Maybe a few hundred bucks in raw materials in a well equipped machine shop and a lot of your spare time.
So your delivery system will have a 500 yard effective range, will take fast reloads, and will have a calibrated sighting system useable out to the 500 yard max effective range? I SERIOUSLY doubt that.

I can build a potato gun and call it an RPG.
It doesn't mean squate if you can't launch effective rockets. If you can't launch an actual warhead with xxx mm's of armor penetration, you don't have an rpg. Interesting that you think gangbangers can manufactur HEAT rounds though, if they reeeeally wanted to. The fact that they don't tells me they can't.

Kw: you are right. criminals don't care about NFA restrictions. They would rather go through the black market, for sure. Thing is, there is a very small black market currently for these weapons, because there is a very low supply. There is a very low supply because there are not very many out there. There are not very many out there because for the most part, ownership of said items is heavily regulated.
 
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Maybe gangbangers don't want HEAT rounds, because they don't actually go up against armor. Criminals get and use what they need. 'Low level' criminals don't 'need' RPG's, so why would they waste their money. If they felt they had a need, they could most certainly fill that need. Some criminals feel they 'need' automatic weapons, and they get them, despite any NFA restrictions.

This type of 'not seeing the forest for the trees' thinking is not what the framers of the constitution was about. They looked at the big picture: Keeping the tyranny of a government / military / or whatever from taking the liberty of its people. They weren't stupid, and they knew that weaponry would evolve. To say that they couldn't envision 'the destructiveness of semi-auto weapons' is just silly. Inventors were trying to make these types of weapons even before the 2A was written.

The technical arguments (magazine capacities, types of weapons, etc), don't matter, nor do they apply to, the 2A. The 2A is about protection from tyrannical forces.
 
Maybe gangbangers don't want HEAT rounds, because they don't actually go up against armor. Criminals get and use what they need. 'Low level' criminals don't 'need' RPG's, so why would they waste their money. If they felt they had a need, they could most certainly fill that need. Some criminals feel they 'need' automatic weapons, and they get them, despite any NFA restrictions.


Low level...what does that even mean? Low level criminals don't currently carry the same weapons that are available to every other gangster out there?
I don't agree with your premise. Gangbangers don't get what they "need". They get what they want and can afford. If a gangbanger "needs" an automatic weapon over a standard firearm, why doesn't he "need" an rpg, since his needs consist almost solely of intimidation, and why wouldn't he purchase one if they were widely available on the black market, and he could afford one?

Automatic weapons are exponentially more widely available on the black market than true destructive devices, and can be readily converted from existing legal weapons and use commonly available, unrestricted ammunition, so this is another apples to oranges argument.

There is some major, major disconnection going on here. We have people saying on one hand "heck yea I'd own an rpg if they were cheap and available"!
then the next post we have someone arguing that a gang banger would likely not pick an rpg if it were cheap and in front of them because it just isn't.....practical?

Forest for the trees...I'm sorry, is there a bigger picture to RPG ownership I'm not seeing? A few destructive devices in the hands of some small percentage of the population that would be interested in owning them are going to save our country from tyranny?
Oh. I see we switched topic from defending the unregulated ownership of destructive devices to a generic "Shall not be infringed" rally. Got it.

Unless you have access to a couple of hundred cruise missiles and a few mobile platform from which to launch them with an impenetrable command post to coordinate them, posturing about taking on the military is exactly that.
 
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Handguns are not universally restricted across the united states, so the availability of handguns in areas where they are not supposed to be is not a valid comparison to NFA nationwide regulated weapons.

Destructive devices do in fact account for unlawful use. Gruff the crime dog, or the actor that played him for 15 years, was just busted with 1k marijuana plants and an illegal grenade launcher. There are other instances where explosive devices were seized in recent years from criminals. Rare, yes. Unheard of, no.

Anybody can build a "launcher". Nobody cares about the delivery system. Yea, you can fire bombs through a crude tube. Ammo is the tough part.

I will say I feel you are greviously exaggerating your abilities to build an rpg as good as an RPG-7 or a mortar for "a few hundred bucks". Even a delivery system. Maybe a few hundred bucks in raw materials in a well equipped machine shop and a lot of your spare time.
So your delivery system will have a 500 yard effective range, will take fast reloads, and will have a calibrated sighting system useable out to the 500 yard max effective range? I SERIOUSLY doubt that.

I can build a potato gun and call it an RPG.
It doesn't mean squate if you can't launch effective rockets. If you can't launch an actual warhead with xxx mm's of armor penetration, you don't have an rpg. Interesting that you think gangbangers can manufactur HEAT rounds though, if they reeeeally wanted to. The fact that they don't tells me they can't.

Kw: you are right. criminals don't care about NFA restrictions. They would rather go through the black market, for sure. Thing is, there is a very small black market currently for these weapons, because there is a very low supply. There is a very low supply because there are not very many out there. There are not very many out there because for the most part, ownership of said items is heavily regulated.
The McGruff Crime dog grenade launcher, was unlawful possession, not use. I'm sure many people unlawfully possess all manner of objects, some of them even may have nefarious intent, but it proves what? Destructive devices aren't used in crime, generally because they don't fit the purpose of the crime. Robbing a store can be effectively done with a knife, or pistol, you don't need to drop a mortar through the roof or blast down the front wall with an anti tank rifle. Using the right tool for the job, so to speak. Our neighbors to the south, who have almost complete bans on civilian owned firearms, are having major issues with cartels with RPGs and the like. The Russians didn't give them to the cartels, for free, did they? So how is it in a country with zero lawfully owned rocket launchers, there is a problem with criminal use of rocket launchers, while here in the states, where there is an avenue for lawful possession, their criminal use and possession is practically nil? Answer: the type of crime being committed. I'm sure Johnny McSaggypants gangster would love an RPG, and the fact is I've seen photos where they do in fact have them. But again, the difference between use and possession is vast. You can use a 20mm anti tank rifle to punch paper, but a .22 is more cost effective. I drive a V6 pick up rather than a Ferrari for the same reason. Gang bangers certainly can afford, and do purchase destructive devices, but their extremely rare use leads me to believe they either don't know how to use them, or don't have much reason or need to. Average street thugs use small, concealable, throw away deadly weapons because they are not trying to rob armored trucks. Right tool for the job.

Quote my post where I claimed gangbangers can make HEAT rounds. I won't be holding my breath waiting.
What I said is that I can make, or more accurately, have the knowledge to make, effective rockets with explosive heads. I also said they won't be as effective as military grade hardware. The science behind it is actually quite simple once you understand the basics, and the basics are pretty simple as well. Again, an impact primer fired exploding rocket is fairly basic science, not as high tech or as accurate as a molten copper shape charge of an RPG round, but useful enough in its own right.
And I can theoretically do it all without the aid of a machine shop. I drill press, dremel and a hand drill is about all the machinery I need, in theory. Haven't put any of this into practice, so JTS just speculation at this point.

As I previously asked, why is there a need to restrict anything, if civilians will never be on par with the military? We can't match spending for weapons and equipment, not even close. With such a disparity between civilians and government forces, would deregulating prohibitively expensive weapons make much of a difference?

Handguns at the most commonly used firearm in crime, so if crime control were really a goal, wouldn't it be smarter to restrict handguns? But instead, the antis focus on semi auto rifles, the least commonly used firearm in crime. Why is that? Common ammo and magazines shared with out military and police forces, maybe?
If we are going down the road of common sense gun laws, then common sense needs to be applied. It isn't.

A final addendum to this. Restricted liberty isn't liberty at all. Liberty isn't a guarantee of safety, ether. But once you allow a little restriction, you pave the way for more and more, until we have what we have now, a shadow of liberty. A modicum of what used to be. Yet you will always have someone willing to give up, or take from, just a little more. You may be content with the scraps fed to you from your masters like my dogs, but I deserve better than that. And so do you. Once you relegate yourself to subclass status, you're done. And what's worse, you've sold out future generations.
 
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The McGruff Crime dog grenade launcher, was unlawful possession, not use. I'm sure many people unlawfully possess all manner of objects, some of them even may have nefarious intent, but it proves what? Destructive devices aren't used in crime, generally because they don't fit the purpose of the crime. Robbing a store can be effectively done with a knife, or pistol, you don't need to drop a mortar through the roof or blast down the front wall with an anti tank rifle. Using the right tool for the job, so to speak. Our neighbors to the south, who have almost complete bans on civilian owned firearms, are having major issues with cartels with RPGs and the like. The Russians didn't give them to the cartels, for free, did they? So how is it in a country with zero lawfully owned rocket launchers, there is a problem with criminal use of rocket launchers, while here in the states, where there is an avenue for lawful possession, their criminal use and possession is practically nil? Answer: the type of crime being committed. I'm sure Johnny McSaggypants gangster would love an RPG, and the fact is I've seen photos where they do in fact have them. But again, the difference between use and possession is vast. You can use a 20mm anti tank rifle to punch paper, but a .22 is more cost effective. I drive a V6 pick up rather than a Ferrari for the same reason. Gang bangers certainly can afford, and do purchase destructive devices, but their extremely rare use leads me to believe they either don't know how to use them, or don't have much reason or need to. Average street thugs use small, concealable, throw away deadly weapons because they are not trying to rob armored trucks. Right tool for the job.

Quote my post where I claimed gangbangers can make HEAT rounds. I won't be holding my breath waiting.
What I said is that I can make, or more accurately, have the knowledge to make, effective rockets with explosive heads. I also said they won't be as effective as military grade hardware. The science behind it is actually quite simple once you understand the basics, and the basics are pretty simple as well. Again, an impact primer fired exploding rocket is fairly basic science, not as high tech or as accurate as a molten copper shape charge of an RPG round, but useful enough in its own right.
And I can theoretically do it all without the aid of a machine shop. I drill press, dremel and a hand drill is about all the machinery I need, in theory. Haven't put any of this into practice, so JTS just speculation at this point.

As I previously asked, why is there a need to restrict anything, if civilians will never be on par with the military? We can't match spending for weapons and equipment, not even close. With such a disparity between civilians and government forces, would deregulating prohibitively expensive weapons make much of a difference?

Handguns at the most commonly used firearm in crime, so if crime control were really a goal, wouldn't it be smarter to restrict handguns? But instead, the antis focus on semi auto rifles, the least commonly used firearm in crime. Why is that? Common ammo and magazines shared with out military and police forces, maybe?
If we are going down the road of common sense gun laws, then common sense needs to be applied. It isn't.

I guess it all comes down to whether you think the benefits of your being able to enjoy what is essentially a very dangerous, completely useless toy with no sporting purposes or marksmanship potential, that isn't even a firearm, outweighs the predictable increase in criminal usage as availability rises through deregulation and the inevitable collateral damage that will occur as people improperly or illegally use said destructive devices that is magnitudes more serious than improperly or illegally using a firearm.
 
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Actually, there are marksmanship challenges using mortars, grenade launchers and rocket launchers. Most use dummy rounds, but standard HE rounds are also part of the rare, but extremely fun and expensive sport. As for the benefit versus potential for misuse, I do find it acceptable. As acceptable as the risk of being smashed by a drunk driver, or crushed by an amateur pilot, or being caught in an angry mob of fundamentalists religious types.

For further insight, see my last addendum to my previous post.
 
lovely, but I'm happy keeping the RPG's, Mortars, and other destructive devices on the NFA just as they are now. In the discussions on that topic, this thread has failed to present any convincing argument for unregulated widespread, inexpensive availability of destructive devices, specifically rpg's, mortars, and grenade launchers, and their ammo, to the general public. You said yourself that dummy rounds are used for marksmanship in the rare events that people meet for that purpose, and once in a while a very expensive HE round will be lit off for fun. So you aren't practicing marksmanship with regulated HE rounds. You are using them for fireworks.

I do not consider the current situation to be a "shadow of liberty" simply because you can't buy a grenade launcher easily enough.
I do find it unacceptable for other reasons though

"scraps from my master"?
Yea ok. I don't disagree with certain aspects of the NFA so you compare me to your dog. Way to take the discussion up an intellectual notch.
I don't live in Michigan, sir, so you can keep your "scraps from your master"....you need them more than I do. My state has certainly been more proactive in preserving our rights than yours. You are being presumptive and out of line to be speaking such nonsense about accepting "scraps". I am a proud NRA member and have lost friends over my unwillingness to compromise my pro 2a views, so yea....you can take that swill and shove it.
You sir, are in the vast minority with your opinion about destructive devices.
Good luck pushing that one over on people. Maybe if you compare enough people to your dogs you can shame them into joining you in forming a lobbying entity large enough and influential enough to repeal the explosives and destructive devices portion of the NFA. Doubt it though. If that many people cared, there would already be an entity lobbying for it.
 
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Low level...what does that even mean? Low level criminals don't currently carry the same weapons that are available to every other gangster out there?
I don't agree with your premise. Gangbangers don't get what they "need". They get what they want and can afford. If a gangbanger "needs" an automatic weapon over a standard firearm, why doesn't he "need" an rpg, since his needs consist almost solely of intimidation, and why wouldn't he purchase one if they were widely available on the black market, and he could afford one?

By 'low level', I mean, for example, a person who sells drugs on the street corner. They are there for the cash. The weapon is for his personal defense from other criminals who might want to take his illegal money. Not for 'display' or 'intimidation'. Take that criminal to a higher level, now we are talking about cartel criminals, who supply that stuff to the low level criminal. Guess what, they use bigger weapons, like automatic rifles, RPG's, etc. Thankfully, that doesn't happen in our country. But that's what I mean by 'levels'.

RPG's are pretty widespread in many parts of the world, just like AK's, and all manner of things. That they are not very prevalent in our country is most likely due to vigilance by many levels of law enforcement and other government agencies keeping that stuff at bay. But if a criminal really felt a need for such equipment, that stuff wouldn't be too difficult to make. Maybe not as efficiently as a major arms manufacturer, but could be done nonetheless.

Even if the NFA were lifted, I still don't think your average 'low level' gang banger or drug dealer would tote an RPG around. They are definitely fans of concealed carry.

toy with no sporting purposes or marksmanship potential

Back to that again? That's not what the 2A is about.

USAF, I agree that there aren't many out there because of the NFA and regulation, but I do agree with you that if criminals felt they needed that capability, they could certainly manage to acquire it or build it somehow.
 
OK then, what about shotguns? Legally classed as destructive devices, bought and sold on the open market, for less than most common handguns and rifles. But you and I and everyone else can buy them freely due to the 'sporting purpose' clause. Same with unrestricted ammo for those shotguns.

As far as liberty, the argument was regarding the national laws, not simply state laws. I, along with everyone else, is subject to those laws, and the scraps from our masters. Its a matter of accepting them as they are, grateful for the 'liberties' you've been allowed, or not.
So my state versus your state doesn't matter, and is just more Epeen wagging. No need for the chest puffing bravado about how awesome your state is, and how awesome you are for all you various pro 2A accomplishments. You apparently view your liberties in a different light than I do.

Your willingness to restrict the right to keep and bear arms because you see no need for them is a similar mentality share by Bloomberg, Feinstein, and everyone else quoted in the "they're not coming for your guns" thread. Yes, I'm an absolutist, and I absolutely do not want more of my liberties gambler away on the false premise of security. And I absolutely want back the liberties sold off for false security by those who came before me.

Its not about cheap and available grenade launchers, its about the elite crapping on the rest of us.
 
OK then, what about shotguns? Legally classed as destructive devices, bought and sold on the open market, for less than most common handguns and rifles. But you and I and everyone else can buy them freely due to the 'sporting purpose' clause. Same with unrestricted ammo for those shotguns.

As far as liberty, the argument was regarding the national laws, not simply state laws. I, along with everyone else, is subject to those laws, and the scraps from our masters. Its a matter of accepting them as they are, grateful for the 'liberties' you've been allowed, or not.
So my state versus your state doesn't matter, and is just more Epeen wagging. No need for the chest puffing bravado about how awesome your state is, and how awesome you are for all you various pro 2A accomplishments. You apparently view your liberties in a different light than I do.

Your willingness to restrict the right to keep and bear arms because you see no need for them is a similar mentality share by Bloomberg, Feinstein, and everyone else quoted in the "they're not coming for your guns" thread. Yes, I'm an absolutist, and I absolutely do not want more of my liberties gambler away on the false premise of security. And I absolutely want back the liberties sold off for false security by those who came before me.

Its not about cheap and available grenade launchers, its about the elite crapping on the rest of us.

:rolleyes: yea...thats it. I'm just another Bloomberg or Feinstein because I don't believe in dissipating the part of the NFA that covers rpg's, mortars, and grenade launchers, just waiting for the opportunity to roll over and give up my 2a rights. :rolleyes:

First I'm just like a dog begging for scraps, now I have the same mentality as a hardcore active anti. If veiled insults and apples to oranges analogies are your thing, you aren't going to convince many rational people that way.
 
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Well, plenty of people say that same thing, and then wonder what happened. The 2A is not about the equipment, it's about the capability of resisting tyranny. It's not about 'crime control', safety or any of that.

Since criminals use pistols right now, then I guess you are for a total ban on them? Or using the same restrictions that we have for NFA items?

Sauce for the goose right?
 
Well, plenty of people say that same thing, and then wonder what happened. The 2A is not about the equipment, it's about the capability of resisting tyranny. It's not about 'crime control', safety or any of that.

Since criminals use pistols right now, then I guess you are for a total ban on them? Or using the same restrictions that we have for NFA items?

Sauce for the goose right?

Simply put, you don't know me, what I believe, what I stand for, what I have done, or what I want for this country. You are making silly and extreme assumptions formed from your supposed idea of how anti I must be based on one small aspect of my beliefs regarding the regulation of firearms and 2a rights. Your position is in the extreme minority and has no significant supporters in the public venue. Nobody is lobbying for the deregulation of rpg's, mortars, and grenade launchers.
Goodnight.
 
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I keep reading how we couldn't possibly take on the military. Is this the same military that can't beat a bunch of goat herders in A'stan, where we'll be leaving with our tail between our legs?
 
I keep reading how we couldn't possibly take on the military. Is this the same military that can't beat a bunch of goat herders in A'stan, where we'll be leaving with our tail between our legs?

Oh, the U.S. military could be taken on by a coordinated effort by civilians, and I never said it couldn't. I said we couldn't ever realistically strive for parity as civilians, and couldn't win a face to face slugout without cruise missiles, a fleet to launch them, and a hardened command post.
Break the supply chains, and insurgency type hit and run tactics...such as those used by said goat herders. Also, it's hard to stay resupplied when you are fighting the civilian population that grows your food, makes your toilet paper, and helps maintain your infrastructure.
The myth is one of face to face combat, civilian armies standing their own trading shots one on one with the military with comparatively small numbers of rpg's, mortars, and grenade launchers being the equalizer against ground to air attacks, bombardments by naval vessels, precision guided missile strikes... the types of attacks that would actually happen if there was a serious, no holds barred us vs. them revolution.
 
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I keep reading how we couldn't possibly take on the military. Is this the same military that can't beat a bunch of goat herders in A'stan, where we'll be leaving with our tail between our legs?

LOL, wellll, yeah. But it goes to show how a relatively simple fighting force can keep things going long enough that the political leaders of that military simply don't want to continue to pursue the venture.

They can't 'beat' our military, but guerillas (whatever name that may be right now) can certainly beat the will of the political leaders and cause them to basically stop.
 
LOL, wellll, yeah. But it goes to show how a relatively simple fighting force can keep things going long enough that the political leaders of that military simply don't want to continue to pursue the venture.

They can't 'beat' our military, but guerillas (whatever name that may be right now) can certainly beat the will of the political leaders and cause them to basically stop.
And keep in mind, unlike the goat herders, if our citizenry did take on the military, there would be no shortage of former service members trained by our military to operate that sophisticated weaponry once it's captured.
 
:rolleyes: yea...thats it. I'm just another Bloomberg or Feinstein because I don't believe in dissipating the part of the NFA that covers rpg's, mortars, and grenade launchers, just waiting for the opportunity to roll over and give up my 2a rights. :rolleyes:

First I'm just like a dog begging for scraps, now I have the same mentality as a hardcore active anti. If veiled insults and apples to oranges analogies are your thing, you aren't going to convince many rational people that way.
Good night indeed. You seem incapable of separating the wheat from the chaff, ignoring themain points in order to take offense by a comparison you blast out of context. But yes, I consider anyone willing to accept the status quo of laws that were enacted when my grandfather was in diapers, an enabler of further restrictions, at best.

The internet bravado and implied claims aren't impressive either, by the way. I don't know you, and until you tell us what all you've done, I can only make impressions of your character based on what you've said.
The fact is, even if I had no desire for a grenade launcher, I'd still support rescinding the NFA. All of it.
 
I keep reading how we couldn't possibly take on the military. Is this the same military that can't beat a bunch of goat herders in A'stan, where we'll be leaving with our tail between our legs?

Goat herders aren't what's beating us in Afghanistan.
 
I want the NFA gone, or at the very minimum heavily modified. I think restricting select fire weapons, suppressors and short barreled firearms is ridiculous.

I also refuse to get on board with the idea that anyone should be able to possess things like mortars and RPGs. That doesn't mean I believe they should remain as restricted as they are, but I also don't think anyone should be able to walk into Gander or wherever and walk out with one.
 
I also refuse to get on board with the idea that anyone should be able to possess things like mortars and RPGs. That doesn't mean I believe they should remain as restricted as they are, but I also don't think anyone should be able to walk into Gander or wherever and walk out with one.

Mind if I ask why? I understand it may be a fringe opinion, shared by many, but I haven't heard any real reason. If its 'herd mentality' (and I'm not calling you or anyone else a cow) or fear of misuse, or any other reason, I'm genuinely curious.
 
Mind if I ask why? I understand it may be a fringe opinion, shared by many, but I haven't heard any real reason. If its 'herd mentality' (and I'm not calling you or anyone else a cow) or fear of misuse, or any other reason, I'm genuinely curious.

Perhaps I should have been more clear. Let me rephrase my position. I think anyone who is is currently not allowed to legally possess firearms should not be allowed to posses those types of weapons either. That likely goes without saying for most of us. Hopefully, we're in agreement there.

I'm not saying they should be regulated to the point that they are, but the process for obtaining an RPG should be on par with the type of weapon that it is. Meaning, it should be more difficult to buy an RPG than it is to buy a bag of potato chips. I've seen first hand, literally, what an RPG can do to an up-armored HMMWV, and have little desire seeing just anyone running around with them.

Not heard mentality, and most certainly not fear. Logic and reasonable thought processes are where I get my views. ;)
 
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