Found these at the range

[Soonerpesek]

I found these rounds while cleaning up after our Father's Day range trip.
These (7) were punched but not fired.
Found another 20ish fired cases along with them.
Does anyone know what they might be, they are VERY similar to 7.7 x 58mm Arisaka.

 

[Warpiece]

https://collectibleammunition.com/product/7-9x57mmj-8mm-mauser-turkey-t-ord-c-7-9-fs-1943/

I think this is what you found

 

[Soonerpesek]

I think this is what you found

That was fast.....Thanks.
These rounds were insane crimped, and the primers were sunk waaaay down in the pocket,
almost like a pistol primer in a rifle pocket....
Berdan primed it looks like, and a "squarish" shaped powder.
They were quite "shoddy" looking for a factory round....

If the casings are useful to anyone, I'd be happy to ship 'em to you.....

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

That was fast.....Thanks.
These rounds were insane crimped, and the primers were sunk waaaay down in the pocket,
almost like a pistol primer in a rifle pocket....
Berdan primed it looks like, and a "squarish" shaped powder.
They were quite "shoddy" looking for a factory round....

If the casings are useful to anyone, I'd be happy to ship 'em to you.....

I wasted some money on a bandoliers worth of that crud.

At least 50% were duds, and those that did fire were so corrrosive that my poor Mauser was speckled with rust by the time I got home from the range.

I saved the stripper clips, but otherwise a disasterous fail.

 

[H&R Glock]

Cut sheet powder is the same as in my old 7x57 Boer war ammo I once had. 50% dud or hang fires. Scary-- I broke it all down. The powder burned just fine so I assume the primers went bad after 70 years

 

[FROGO207]

Yep 8MM Mauser. Hope whomever got that crap got it for free! Lots of that used to be floating around at gun shows at bargain prices for years. I was cautioned against buying any many years ago and just loaded my own to shoot as they told me the brass was berdan and the bullets were trash too.

 

[Mk-211]

I have a bag of them, junk is all I can say nicely about them. The brass is even garbage, almost all of them have cracked case necks.

I don't even think I would save the bullets. I was not happy getting them in trade with a bunch of other stuff.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I wasted some money on a bandoliers worth of that crud.

At least 50% were duds, and those that did fire were so corrrosive that my poor Mauser was speckled with rust by the time I got home from the range.

I saved the stripper clips, but otherwise a disasterous fail.

Yep! same here! 1/4 had terrible hang fire. was probably stored in a trunk of a panzerfalz for 69 years!

 

[BCR#1]

I wasted some money on a bandoliers worth of that crud.

At least 50% were duds, and those that did fire were so corrrosive that my poor Mauser was speckled with rust by the time I got home from the range.

I saved the stripper clips, but otherwise a disasterous fail.

Next time, flush your bore with tap water and a nylon brush before casing it for the trip home. Flush, scrub, flush, patch dry, case, then normal cleaning at home. Also wipe down the muzzle end and the bolt body/face also.

Bill

 

[BCR#1]

I shoot 40's Turk cupro nickle and 50's Yugo 8mm out of various Mausers I have. There are click/bangs sometimes with the Turk but all the Yugo M49 is sure fire and HOT!

Bill

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I don't even think I would save the bullets.

Meh. They're fine for plinking. 13gr. of Red Dot in a commercial 8mm case with one of those 155gr. bullets make a nice watermelon splatterer.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Next time, flush your bore with tap water and a nylon brush before casing it for the trip home. Flush, scrub, flush, patch dry, case, then normal cleaning at home. Also wipe down the muzzle end and the bolt body/face also.

Bill

That range was pretty austere- no water. No electricity for that matter.

That was the last time I shot old WW2 surplus ammo anyway. Lesson learned.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

I shoot 40's Turk cupro nickle and 50's Yugo 8mm out of various Mausers I have. There are click/bangs sometimes with the Turk but all the Yugo M49 is sure fire and HOT!

Bill

Supposedly the Yugo stuff was made for MG42s rather than the bolt guns. Id avoid shooting it in any of the small-ring rifles myself, especially a '93 or '95 action.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

I have a bag of them, junk is all I can say nicely about them. The brass is even garbage, almost all of them have cracked case necks.

I don't even think I would save the bullets. I was not happy getting them in trade with a bunch of other stuff.

A goodly number of the cases cracked (nearly shattered) when I pulled them down for disposal.

 

[Soonerpesek]

Next time, flush your bore with tap water and a nylon brush before casing it for the trip home. Flush, scrub, flush, patch dry, case, then normal cleaning at home. Also wipe down the muzzle end and the bolt body/face also.

A fellow at a LGS made mention of a couple sprays of Windex down the barrel and action would suffice until a proper cleaning.
He swore by it when he would shoot corrosive primered ammo thru his Garand....

 

[Soonerpesek]

Cut sheet powder is the same as in my old 7x57 Boer war ammo I once had. 50% dud or hang fires. Scary-- I broke it all down. The powder burned just fine so I assume the primers went bad after 70 years

I broke down the seven complete rounds I found and set the pile of powder afire in the driveway.
It did burn, and was quite the flameball....figured it was about 340 grains....

 

[Random 8]

You guys have had a different experience with the Turkish ammo than I. Other than accuracy being relative, I found it totally reliable back in the day when it could be had for under $100 per thousand. I fired roughly 2000 rounds through a Turkish Mauser and a K98. Corrosive? Absolutely! So is most any foreign surplus ammo from non- NATO origin.

 

[Viking2]

I've fired a bit of that ammo. My experience was that it all went boom, but sprayed the upper part of a SR-1 target at one hundred yards. 12" groups were standard, if you could call them groups.

 

[Swampman]

I bought a bunch of the 40's Turk back when Wideners was selling it for $3.40 per 70 round bandolier.

Not the most accurate 8mm around, but it was always surefire for me (and loaded hotter than a two dollar pistol).

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

A fellow at a LGS made mention of a couple sprays of Windex down the barrel and action would suffice until a proper cleaning.
He swore by it when he would shoot corrosive primered ammo thru his Garand....

That works. But it’s kind of hard on the wood furniture.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

And in case anyone’s interested, you can make your own cleaner:
½ cup soapy ammonia, 1 pint of rubbing alcohol and 13 ½ cups of water to make one gallon. Divvy it up into 1/2 cup squirt bottles - like hairdressers use for applying dye - and take it in your range bag. And before any y’all amateur chemists get all bent over mixing alcohol and ammonia, look at the concentrations. They’re household strength ingredients. Yes, the alcohol and ammonia will partially neutralize but the solutions are so weak it’s just not a problem. Try it out for your black powder and corrosive guns and see for yourself. You really don’t want anything that will strip the finish off the wood. Hope this helps

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Foaming HVAC coil cleaner works well too.

 

[Swampman]

So does hot water...

 

[Random 8]

Any water or alcohol based solvent (including water) will remove the corrosive salts. I used to just dip a patch in my vehicles window washer reservoir for a quick clean before casing.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Any water or alcohol based solvent (including water) will remove the corrosive salts. I used to just dip a patch in my vehicles window washer reservoir for a quick clean before casing.

I like cleaning with rubbing alcohol, I keep a small bottle with me at all times….

here’s a thought, dip your patch in hand sanitizer… then give it a run through before you leave the range