Fox News Pro self defense and 2A editorial

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Wish more of the media would "get" this!!!

Fox News Op Ed Pro self defense:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264896,00.html

Flawed Laws Help Stalkers Victimize Women

Monday, April 09, 2007

By John Lott and Sonya Jones



What do you do when the police can’t protect you?

Police may be the single most important factor for reducing crime, but there is something the police themselves understand: They almost always arrive at the crime scene after the crime has occurred.

Expecting people to trust the police to protect them and to behave passively is a recipe for disaster.

The last couple of weeks have seen a couple prominent murders where restraining orders did women little good. Numerous news organizations, such as ABC News, have run headlines asking "How Do You Stop a Stalker From Killing You?"

Unfortunately, despite acknowledging that "many women find themselves on their own," the media are drawing the wrong lessons. To simply advise that women "Get the hell away from him" often doesn't go anywhere near far enough.

With her tragic murder on Monday on the campus of the University of Washington, Rebecca Griego learned this the hard way. Twice she had filed for restraining orders against her abusive and physically violent former boyfriend, Jonathan Ghulam-Nabi Rowan, but the police didn’t know where he lived and could never serve him.


It wasn’t like they didn’t try, for in January they couldn’t even locate Rowan for an outstanding warrant for a drunk driving conviction.

Rowan made Rebecca’s life hell. In police reports as well as her request for a restraining order, she described Rowan as a "suicidal alcoholic” who had “punched,” “slammed” and “thrown” her to the ground.

To no avail, she moved a couple of times and changed her cell phone number. Nevertheless, on March 7 and 14, Rowan called her at work, threatening both her and her dog. He then called and threatened Rebecca’s older sister.

But restraining orders often aren't worth the paper on which they're written, even when they are served.

For a stalker intent on killing his victim or committing suicide after the attack, the penalty for violating a restraining order is irrelevant. With Seattle police's response time of seven minutes for the highest-priority emergency calls, the police simply can't be there to protect you even with a restraining order. Seven minutes can seem like an eternity.

With such rampant failures in the system, there is one piece of advice that could have saved Rebecca’s life: Practice self-defense and a get a gun.

Indeed, the University of Washington goes in the opposite direction and tries to protect people by declaring the campus a “gun-free zone,” with the school’s code of conduct banning the “possession or use of firearms ... except for authorized university purposes.”

Gun-free zones may be well-intentioned, but good intentions are not enough. It is an understandable desire to ban guns; after all, if you ban guns from an area, people can’t get shot, right? But time after time when these public shootings occur, they disproportionately take place in gun-free zones.

It is the law-abiding good citizens who would only use a gun for protection who obey these bans. Violating a gun-free zone at a place such as a public university may mean expulsion or firing and arrest, real penalties for law-abiding citizens. But for someone intent on killing others, adding on these penalties for violating a gun-free zone means little to someone who, if still alive, faces life in prison.

Unfortunately, instead of gun-free zones ensuring safety for victims, ensuring that the victims are unarmed only makes things safer for attackers.

One of us conducted research with Bill Landes at the University of Chicago that examined all the multiple-victim public shootings in the United States from 1977 to 1999. We found that when states passed right-to-carry laws, these attacks fell by 60 percent. Deaths and injuries from multiple-victim public shootings fell on average by 78 percent.

To the extent that attacks still occurred, they overwhelmingly happened in the special places within right-to-carry states where concealed handguns were banned. The University of Washington is a good example of this.

There is no evidence that there are any more accidental gun deaths that occur from right-to-carry laws. Permit holders also tend to be extremely law-abiding.

Ironically, earlier this year University of Washington President Mark Emmert began consideration of making the school’s ban somehow apply to students living off campus as well. Students are sitting ducks on campus, but the change would make them vulnerable off campus as well.

Not only did the gun-free zones fail here, but it is extremely unlikely that Rowan could even legally own a gun. As a non-resident alien, Rowan needed an alien firearms license to even own a gun, something that rarely is granted.

There is an even simpler point to make. It is the physically weakest, women and the elderly, who benefit the most from having a gun to protect themselves. The U.S. Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey has shown for decades that resistance with a gun is by far the safest course of action when one confronts a criminal.

Good intentions don't necessarily make good rules. What counts is whether the rules ultimately save lives. Unfortunately, too many rules primarily disarm law-abiding citizens, not criminals.

* John Lott is the author of the forthcoming book, "Freedomnomics" and the Dean's visiting Professor at the State University of New York at Binghamton.

Sonya Jones is a lawyer.
 
ABC doesn't get it!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/print?id=3007276

How Do You Stop a Stalker From Killing You?
When Restraining Orders Don't Work, Many Women Find Themselves on Their Own
By MARCUS BARAM

Apr. 5, 2007 — - They may differ in the details, but the crimes follow the same depressing pattern.

A woman is physically or verbally harassed by an ex-boyfriend, obtains a restraining order, changes her phone number and moves to another residence, but she still ends up getting killed by him.

In the last two weeks, two such killings on opposite sides of the country have made headlines for their brutality and poignancy.

And, in their tragic inevitability, such crimes raise the question: Even with a restraining order, what can you really do to stop a violent ex-lover who's determined to harm you?

The sad truth is that law enforcement officers can only do so much and that your safety rests largely in your own hands.

After months of stalking, Rebecca Griego, a 26-year-old staffer at the University of Washington, was shot and killed by her ex-beau, Jonathan Rowan, on Monday morning, before he fatally shot himself.

After months of escalating events, in which Rowan harassed her sister and threatened to kidnap her dogs, Griego obtained a restraining order to keep the man 1,000 feet away from her and her sister.

Although Griego moved, changed her cell phone number and posted his picture around her office, Rowan violated the order and verbally threatened Griego twice in the weeks before he killed her.

University of Washington police were told about the threats, but they did not put her under surveillance or provide an escort.

"Would we like to be there for every person who has a protection order? Of course," said Ray Wittmier, the deputy sheriff of the UW police. "But unless we have thousands of officers, it's not possible. In general, we don't do surveillance or provide an escort. Here in King County last year, there were 5,000 protection orders issued and I can guarantee that every one of those people was fearful of who they obtain an order against. The challenge is to pick out the person who's going to go over the edge. It's almost impossible to predict."

Unfortunately, much of the responsibility rests with the individual being harassed, Wittmier said.

"Typically, the petitioner has to change what they do, where they live, the way they commute to work. But that other person typically has some mental health issues and trying to get them to change their behavior is a lot harder."

Some women take extreme measures to avoid their harassers.

"A restraining order is nothing but a piece of paper," said Cheryl Shuman, who went underground and created her own identity, getting a false driver's license and passport, after she continued to receive threats.

"I'm alive today because of what I did," said Shuman, who works in product placement in the entertainment industry. "I really believe that I wouldn't be here if I hadn't taken the measures I had."

Shuman's advice: Keep a video journal that documents your experiences, tell as many people as possible, keep a dialogue with local reporters about what's going on, try to find a domestic violence shelter and, "Get the hell away him."

Bureaucratic incompetence may even put the petitioner in harm's way. Last month, Natasha Ramen was allegedly stabbed and killed outside her home by Hemant K. Megnath.

Although previously charged with raping her, Megnath had been released on $5,000 bail and the judge had issued an order of protection. Several months later, Megnath allegedly threatened to kill Ramen and her husband, and he was arrested on charges of aggravated harassment. Megnath remained a free man because a prosecutor failed to warn the judge in the case. He is now in police custody.

There are no definitive federal statistics on violations of restraining orders, but experts believe that such orders deter violence in 85 percent of cases. For the remaining 15 percent, which involve thousands of victims across the country, the results can be painful if not tragic.

In Massachusetts, 28,760 orders of protection were issued during the calendar year 2005. In about 15 percent of those cases -- 4,347 adults -- defendants were arraigned for violating those orders. Almost 88 percent of the violators were male.

"Studies have shown that they're pretty effective," said Kenneth J. Theisen, who runs Bay Area Legal Aid, which has served 14,000 orders since 1984.

According to an independent study of its clients, 69 percent said that violence had stopped altogether, 19 percent said that violence had decreased and 11 percent said that it had stayed the same or had increased.

"That 11 percent needs someone to help them enforce these orders -- [district attorneys] and police officers," Theisen said. "What else can they do? In those rare cases where someone is killed, most were due to some failure in the system."

Sometimes, it's difficult to actually locate the defendant to serve him or her with the protection order.

"I used to serve plenty myself," Theisen said. "Most would just accept it but you can't just go in and knock doors down. I would hear people behind the door, telling someone, 'Pretend I'm not here' and I could see the guy through the glass partition. One guy I had to chase into our subway system. He jumped on the train and I served him."

Copyright © 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures
 
Good article. Written with temperment and logic.

IMO, the only way it could possibly have been improved is if the author had brought the matter full-circle. At the end, when old ladies and small women were brought up, it would have been an easy step to "more than 200 years ago, the authors of the BOR recognized this ability to defend oneself as the inalienable right of every individual."

Though it seems bringing up the BOR and "God-given rights" is often when an anti or fence-sitter will roll their eyes. So maybe it was good move to keep the content of the editorial in line with "modern thinking."
 
news stories/editorials like this one are the ONLY responsible journalism I've seen regarding personal safety. more often the press will tell you to call the police or run away. pleasure to see a report like this
 
Good intentions don't necessarily make good rules.
As they say, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Yes, I agree this is good reporting. It does not glorify any position, it rather points out the facts. And the fact is, gunfree zones are a bad idea in general. In a courthouse, that's a bit different since there may be violent and desparate felons milling about in/out of shackles. But on a college campus, I don't see the point beyond liberals flexing their muscle to try and create a blissninny environment. These examples should be used to overturn these rules and allow people the opportunity to protect themselves.

The university president trying to ban guns off campus is overstepping his bounds a wee bit don't you think? This kind of liberal action really bothers me, particularly when the event occurred in a gunfree zone.

My wife has seen a couple of ugly events reported in the news lately that hit really close to home, and also occurred very close to home. She will be taking her CCW class soon. Events like this have helped her move in that direction instead of thinking I will always be there to protect her with mine. Now that I work a night shift, I'll be asking her to step up soon and get this done.

Thankfully the liberals haven't turned Oregon into California just yet and my wife getting a CCW permit will not be difficult in the least.
 
sanson1 news stories/editorials like this one are the ONLY responsible journalism I've seen regarding personal safety. more often the press will tell you to call the police or run away. pleasure to see a report like this

Said to say, this happened last night on the other side of the city. Male approached by two men with gun, he runs, they shoot him.http://www.thehighroad.org/images/smilies/banghead.gif
:banghead:
 
I'm 52 and recently had to move the whole family to feel free. I refuse to spend my last 20yrs in a crowd of sheep. just glad the wife and kids went along without too much fight. gotta live with my people so I can protect them
 
No one picked this up from the stupid ABC article?
Shuman's advice: Keep a video journal that documents your experiences, tell as many people as possible, keep a dialogue with local reporters about what's going on, try to find a domestic violence shelter and, "Get the hell away from him."
You read it here first -- local reporters can stop bullets.

The end of that article was really the saddest part -- you are just a statistic to these people. They figure that 89% do just fine with restraining orders, and they throw their hands up about the 11% or try to add more to the system. But when you're the person getting beaten or shot at the local level, those statistics go right out the window.

Down in the trenches, away from the national news room and D.C. "gun violence" lobby, your best friend may be a gun.
 
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