Foxnews Alert: Gunman on VA Tech campus

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They say one gun was a 9mm and one was a .22 (at least MSNBC is saying that) and that the BG chained the doors.

I would encourage all VT students who belong to THR to write your school president and let him know you do not want to be a victim anymore and to allows weapons on campus. You need to help your other fellow students understand that if they were armed or you were armed then this could have been thwarted early.
 
This is a terrible tragedy. Something that could have been prevented by CCW allowed on campus at least by facutily. I fear this is the end of the RKBA in this country as we know it. I believe, withing a year we will have gun laws at least on par of Canada if not more like Britian. Sorry folks the show is over best sell them now to get some money for them before you are required to turn them all in.
 
So thell me again why I should obey the rules not to carry concealed in these 'Unarmed Victim' zones.

If you're a student at that school, an expulsion. Bye-bye career in EE.

I am more mad at the police. They spent 2 hours 'locking down the school' but then lifted it. "The main campus includes more than 100 buildings located on 2,600 acres"

I would imagine shooter blended into the campus crowd after shooting incidenet
#1. After that, how long would you want to keep X0,000 people on lockdown
on a 2,600 acre campus. That's a lot for X00 police to handle. 9 times out
of 10 the perp would have already fled town by then.
 
Condolences for the victims families and prayers for those injured.


RE: Media and the availability of guns.

I just watched a clip on MSNBC where they were talking to the former head psychologist for the FBI, and they tried the gun angle on him. He stated several times that gun legislation would not have stopped this guy. Something needs to be done to identify these types of people (I don't like that part so much, but), however disarming everyone isn't going to help things.

I'm glad someone has his head on pretty straight. Hopefully they'll slow down there gun attack for at least a while.
 
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sell them now

No, thank you. :)

I hope the number of fatalities does not continue to grow like it has been
for the last hour or so.

Why did he kill all of those people? Most of them were likely complete
strangers.:(
 
Fox's expert just said that 100 rounds in less than an minute is easy with a Glock. Oh and apparently 2 Glocks and 100 rounds of ammo in magazines fit in a fanny pack easily.
 
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"This is a terrible tragedy. Something that could have been prevented by CCW allowed on campus at least by facutily. I fear this is the end of the RKBA in this country as we know it. I believe, withing a year we will have gun laws at least on par of Canada if not more like Britian. Sorry folks the show is over best sell them now to get some money for them before you are required to turn them all in."

Turn them in? You must be joking...
 
I fear this is the end of the RKBA in this country as we know it. I believe, withing a year we will have gun laws at least on par of Canada if not more like Britian. Sorry folks the show is over best sell them now to get some money for them before you are required to turn them all in.

Right...is that why almost all web sites selling magazines, ammo and guns are sold out right now? People are stocking up to turn in their new acquisitions on demand?

I suspect that many more will learn deep concealment and practice it daily than will turn to gun control path.
 
Several years ago, a "shooting incident" at a college in West Virginia was stopped cold by an armed civilian.

Perfect comparison to this event.

Does anyone have the reference?
 
Washpost (apologies if dupe)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/16/AR2007041600533_pf.html

32 Killed in Virginia Tech Shootings, At Least 24 Injured

By Robert E. Pierre and Susan Kinzie
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, April 16, 2007; 2:04 PM

Thirty-two people have reportedly been killed and more than two dozen others injured during a shooting rampage this morning at Virginia Tech, making it the deadliest killing spree in U.S. history, according to law enforcement sources.

The unidentified shooter was among the dead, according to officials, who also said that several were injured in the shootings, at West Ambler Johnston, a dormitory, and Norris Hall, which houses the College of Engineering. Authorities said the first shooting was reported shortly after 7 a.m.

"We have a ballpark figure on fatalities," Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum, said at a news conference broadcast earlier today by CNN. "It's at least 20 fatalities."

Flinchum said he did not know whether the shooter was a student. Some of those killed were students in a classroom at Norris Hall, he said.

Virginia Tech president Charles Steger said police first received a call about 7:15 a.m. about a shooting at West Ambler Johnston, where police found multiple shooting victims. He said that about two hours later, university police received reports of shooting in Norris Hall. "The shooter in Norris Hall is deceased," Steger said.

The campus, about four hours southwest of Washington, was shutdown.

"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," Steger said at the news conference. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified that this would befall us."

CNN showed a video taken by a student in which dozens of shots could be heard.

Students and staff were notified by e-mail and automated voicemails that a gunman was on the loose and that everyone should stay in their buildings and "away from windows."

All across campus, people were trying to figure out what was happening, with cell phones sometimes working and sometimes not, the university Web site sometimes working and sometimes not, and the sound of sirens everywhere. Many watched from inside dorm rooms or offices, trading rumors and bad news.

Wayne Neu, a professor of ocean engineering, was in his office across from Norris Hall when he heard shots, including what sounded like a police shotgun. "I saw one faculty member who was shot in the arm apparently being led away," he said. "I've been here 25 years I've never seen something like this happen."

Matteo del Ninno, a junior from Alexandria, had overslept and was rushing to his 10:10 a.m. class in Norris 200, when his girlfriend text-messaged him to see if he was OK. He hadn't heard anything about shootings but noticed the ambulances around; after her warning he went back to his house next to campus and checked all his messages. He's worried about his friends, engineering students who always meet before class in the hall.

Staff and students contacted by telephone said the mornings events were unnerving.

David Harris, who works at the Center for Applied Behavioral Systems, said he arrived at 9:15 a.m. and received the first e-mail about 15 minutes later. It said there had been a shooting on campus, sending some into a frenzy.

"It was a little nerve-wracking," he said. "There were rumors that the gunman had jumped out the window and broke his neck. Then we got the second e-mail saying that a gunman was on the loose and telling us to stay away from the windows."

Harris said he has been told that the university is planning to evacuate everyone from the campus later today, though he was not certain.

The co-ed West Ambler Johnston dorm is one of the largest residence halls on campus, housing 895 residents.

Madison Van Duyne, a student who was interviewed by telephone on CNN, said, "We are all in lockdown. Most of the students are sitting on the floors away from the windows just trying to be as safe as possible." She said university officials were "doing a wonderful job of e-mailing us and just trying to keep us updated."

Last August the campus was shut down because of concerns that a gunman was on campus. The man, an escaped inmate accused of killing a sheriff's deputy and a security guard, was later captured at Virginia Tech.

One woman who answered the phone in the school's Entomology Department said that about 9:45, they were notified that everyone was to remain in their offices and not venture out but were not given any other details. "There's cop cars everywhere," said the woman.

Another worker at the university, who also did not wish to be identified, said that there has been a dearth of information, except what could be gleaned from news reports.

"We're all just staying put," said the second woman.

Staff writer Howard Schneider contributed to this report.
 
The BS flies...

Fox Reporter: "...so, it would be possible for someone to take in 2, Glock 17, 9mm pistols, and in 3 to 5 seconds to fire off and kill 32 people?!"

Fox Guest: "Well, this isn't high-skills marksmanship. You don't need an AK-47...2 Glock 17s and a couple of replacement magazines!"

In the first place, to fire off 32 rounds in 5 second (for me), I'm convinced, is not possible. Furthermore, to do so under control, and to aim...No!

My B.S.-meter is sky-high!

Can you say H.C. magazine limit push!?
 
This is the worst shooting spree ever in the US. I really believe this is the end of the RKBA in the US. Hopefully I am wrong but the ground swell of emotions after this terrible event will allow antis to push for further restrictions and bans on many types of firearms. Look what happen in Britian. The future does not look bright. But if by chance we do survive this tradgedy then we can weather any storm.
 
"My God, have we lost all sense of survival these days? After the first few shots why aren't people running like crazy to get off campus? We sit around like rabbits hoping the wolf won;t see us?"
About three reactions you could take - actively try and confront the shooter, run like hell, or get on the ground. Kill, retreat, take cover. It takes a lot of nerve to confront an armed man when you're unarmed. That's probably out. Taking cover - it's part of the 'freeze' reaction. Curl up in a ball and hope it goes away - probably a lot of students did that. Now they're saying that some students were opting to retreat.

All my fellow THR college students, be very careful. With all the press this shooting's got, there's liable to be copycats. And if you're carrying in spite of ordinances, the cops may search you... probably on hightened alert.

Feel sorry for all the victims and their families. It's a nightmare for them.

P.S. The coppers interviewed on Fox are always saying clips. NYPD guy saying it right now.
 
Fox News showing a pic of an asian looking guy with a cop on his back handcuffing him.

This guy was a campus paper reporter (according to the VT paper editor interviewed on FoxNews) and was released shortly after that picture was taken

i'm sure it was pure chaos on the scene ...

but ... isn't the new police doctrine to take out a school shooter ASAP without first trying to secure the scene?

and this happening after two bomb threats?

i'm just shaking my head.

(campus police officer here)...
You are correct about the current policy, however that is for active shooting. The incident at 7:15 seemed to be a quick event. Since the guy was not currently shooting, it reverts back to standard procedure- i.e. secure scene and provide medical assistance

As to the bomb threats.... schools get them all the time, mostly fakes from students who don't want to take a test that day. May or may not be related at all.
 
This will not be the end of RKBA.


There have been things like this in the past, and god help us... there will be in the future.

Right now, there will be a LOT of knee-jerk reactions. That does not change the fact that we have constitutional rights. There will be arguements made, judgements rendered, etc. But in the end, we will only loose our rights when WE stop defending them.


John
 
Hey everyone. I am currently a sophmore attending Virginia Tech.

I was not on campus when this started to happen and am not planning on going up there until things settle down a bit. Needless to say, I am shocked, horrified, and quite frankly sick to the stomach. This is AFAIK the worst school shooting in US history. I have been able to contact most of my friends but am still awaiting more details.

Right now I'm just confused as to how this could have happened. 32 dead + 29 wounded = 61 people, 59 of those in one location. Even with an automatic weapon, the shooter would have had to reload at least once. With a semiauto pistol, make that at least 2-3 times. With a rifle or shotgun? Go figure And this is all assuming one bullet per person and no missing. I just can't figure out how one shooter could have pulled this off.

What I fear is that this will cause an anti-gun upsurge here in VA and around the country. This is horrific, but I am worried that fear will overcome reason. If anything, people living off campus with a CCP should be allowed to carry on campus. If a BG shows up, as has happened twice this year now, we are TOTALLY defenseless!
 
No matter what anyone in the media say there is only one answer as to why so many people were killed; there was no one to stop him. The police were filling out reports. The students were disarmed. The teachers were disarmed.

This is your gun free America. Even were we able to put metal detectors at every door, search every student, equip everyone with bullet proof vests; there would still be somone who would figure out a way. Just as in the Green zone. The more we disarm the worse it will get.

Think of it as your body without any white blood cells. You have no way to fight off disease. These video games and movies where mindless automations wander around in souless killing presented by that same media that wants us to disarm serve only to sicken the minds of our young people. And then they have the gall to say that guns are the problem... it baffles the mind.

That we allowed the VA legislature to disarm our college students is something we now need to fix. All of you tin foil hat people who predicted this occuring and assisting the passing of HR 1022 were tragically right. Likely coincedence but still just as correct.

Here in Texas, many years ago we had a similar problem. A young lady lost her parents because there was no one to stop a mad man from shooting up a cafeteria full of people. She works hard every day now as a Texas law maker to insure that the right of the people to keep and bear arms is protected. she was instrumental in the passing of CCLs.

I am sad for all of those killed. I can only hope that now the people of Virginia will have the courage to do what needs to be done.
 
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