Franklin Armory Binary Trigger, anyone tried one?

[kimberkid]

I think this may have come around before but its been a while ...
I've watched a few you-tubes, of installs and shooters; they're up to Gen III now with being able to switch to safe at any point in the firing process.

It seems better than bump-firing or those slidefire stocks ... while they aren't cheap ($399) its no where near full-auto prices, and you don't have to get big brother's okie-dokie to take them anywhere out of state.

I've thought about using one in my SBR'd Spikes Jack receiver (because it is different) and mainly for my Ares Defense Beltfed upper and my cmmg 22PDW ... guns that I typically run my M16 receiver in and burn ammo with anyway

For those that want to throw in their comments about safety and or burning ammo ... you aren't contributing to the thread but go ahead if you can't control yourself.

This new design, the safety rotates to the 3rd position ... the same as my M16 does for full auto. Even if you have the selector in Binary, have pulled the trigger for the first round, you can switch to safe and release the trigger and it won't fire ... it actually goes into safe mode same as any semi-auto. You can also switch to safe with the hammer in the fired (upright) position, which you can't do with the typical AR.

Lastly, the trigger is supposed to have a 4.5 pound pull.

 

[MistWolf]

The binary trigger is a fun way to turn money into noise. The kids can't get enough of it. Grown men, including veteran police officers, have been known to be reduced to giggling like little girls when combined with a suppressed 22 LR upper and subsonic ammo. The Binary trigger is easier to control than full auto, but the faster you run it, the faster you miss. Go fast enough and the trigger will stutter and start firing only when released. It's one of the safety features. The trick to getting the trigger to fire fast is to keep a smooth rhythm. Hits can be made at speed if you take time to put the sights back on target before releasing the trigger for the second shot

The 4.5 lbs trigger pull is more of a suggestion than a spec. The finish of the parts is rough with a trigger pull to match. Lubing with clean grease and a lot of shooting and dry firing gas smoothed it up with time.

The binary trigger is entertaining and compared to a transferable machinegun, is a cheap way to send a lot of bullets down range. However, I think it's a bit overpriced and I cannot think any practical application for it. It is a blast. Pun intended.

 

[Skylerbone]

I feel like that guy because I’m being that guy; the one who answers with zero experience on the topic but I’m compelled.

First, you’ll shoot yer eye out. You may shoot more than you would have. You may not shoot more than you would have. There’s a risk of carpal tunnel. It’s like 2 triggers in 1, but it’s just 1. Geese that’s expensive! You only live once. YOLO. I said it twice. You could SBR 2 rifles at that price. Does sound fun. I’m ok with you buying it if you want to. That shouldn’t matter either way.

Had to get that off my chest. Unfortunately for me, my local club restricts rate of fire to 1 shot per second and I know something like this would test my will power to comply. I do think the above advice sounds spot on, let us know if you give it a go.

 

[kimberkid]

Thanks "That Guy" your humor is appreciated!

My local club has the same rules about rof ... however, when I take my M16 or HK registered sear out I go to a buddies farm ... His only restriction (besides not shooting his livestock) is that if he's home I have to let him bring some ammo out and let him shoot too!

If it really works as well as I hope, I'll put it in this lower and maybe sell the M16 as I usually shoot it with the 3-round burst anyway, it helps to keep the suppressor down to a dull orange glow ... Besides, a beltfed looses its giggle factor in semi, SBR or not!

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[rb288]

Well, I have 2 Franklin binary triggers, 1 on my 5.56 sbr and the other on my 300 blk sbr.
I have used them to make fast double taps, not to "burn through" ammo at an unbelievable rate.
I have had no, zero, nada, problems with either one.

 

[kimberkid]

Well, I have 2 Franklin binary triggers, 1 on my 5.56 sbr and the other on my 300 blk sbr.
I have used them to make fast double taps, not to "burn through" ammo at an unbelievable rate.
I have had no, zero, nada, problems with either one.

I bought one at my LGS and spent today shaking it out, my sonic 300BO rounds ran fine, but sub-sonic was single shot with every spring and buffer combo I tried ... 22LR, 9mm, 223 & 300 BO

 

[rb288]

I bought one at my LGS and spent today shaking it out, my sonic 300BO rounds ran fine, but sub-sonic was single shot with every spring and buffer combo I tried ... 22LR, 9mm, 223 & 300 BO

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I had a lot of problems with my subs also, until I got the Gemtech suppressed bolt.
When used with my standard springs and buffer, and set on super, it works great, as usual, but when set to subs, it cycles every subsonic load I have tried, so far.
You might try one, I know it works for me.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I am not against the idea of one. In fact, I want to believe that one would be beneficial to my hog control efforts. However, there is a guy on YouTube that makes videos of his hunts and his partner has a binary trigger of some sort. I don't see his results being significantly improved and I am not sure that his follow-up shot necessarily is hitting the target.

When I look at videos on YouTube, either they focus on the functionality of the system and not the accuracy, or they tend to shot their very short range targets and have poor groups. Maybe somebody can direct me to videos that shot good groups at distance? The best that I am seeing looks like 8-10 MOA at 25 yards (2-2.5").

 

[kimberkid]

I had a lot of problems with my subs also, until I got the Gemtech suppressed bolt.
When used with my standard springs and buffer, and set on super, it works great, as usual, but when set to subs, it cycles every subsonic load I have tried, so far.
You might try one, I know it works for me.

Do you have a link for the Gemtech suppressed bolt, I've never heard of one ... is it lighter??? details?

 

[rb288]

Do you have a link for the Gemtech suppressed bolt, I've never heard of one ... is it lighter??? details?

https://gemtech.com/gemtech-5-56-suppressed-bolt-carrier.html

Silencershop has them for $225, yeah, I know, a bit expensive, but, it works and is truly worth it.

 

[kimberkid]

https://gemtech.com/gemtech-5-56-suppressed-bolt-carrier.html

Silencershop has them for $225, yeah, I know, a bit expensive, but, it works and is truly worth it.

Got one ... Thanks but I was concerned about people that gave fairly negitive reviews but 4 of 5 star's?

Anyway, I'm thinking the 300BO will be the dedicated upper for the Binary Trigger. It ran better and enjoyed shooting the hyper velocity round more than any of the others and although the sub's were single shot, they were so quiet it almost made me giggle, if the suppressed bolt and binary trigger can work with the subs it would just be awesome!

 

[Arizona_Mike]

What belt-fed upper are you running?

Have you had any issue with the binary trigger overrunning the hammer?

Mike

 

[kimberkid]

I've got an Ares Defense MCR, I have over ran the system but there is a learning curve ... I'm not sure I've found the optimum spring/ammo combination ... It's more finicky than my M16 which just eats anything except WWB and Wolf which both are known to be under powered and will short-stroke and get gummed up ... Btw, the Suppressed 11.5"/556 upper I was shooting has an Osprey Defense Piston system and it ran pretty well too ... the CMMG 22 PDW ran pretty good with CCI Mini Mags but the bulk bullets like Golden ullets and ThunderBolts had an unusually high number of FTF due to light strikes ...
The Trigger kit comes with 3 different hammer springs and I used the medium one ... Removing the trigger is kind of a PITA as I had problems on the first install and ruined one of the little springs, fortunately they sent a spare.

 

[kimberkid]

What belt-fed upper are you running?

Have you had any issue with the binary trigger overrunning the hammer?

Mike

I was re-reading the very short manual this afternoon, one important thing you have to be sure of in binary mode is that you have to be sure that the trigger is pulled back completely to get the binary function to work. As I understand it if you try just hitting the sweet spot like you would if you were bump firing you will end up with a dead trigger or over run ... I'm not sure if I was doing that or not. Anyway, it's been raining since Monday ... it's been really crappy today but slowly getting better tomorrow and decent on Sunday ... Although now it's not just muddy, the ground is saturated and all the low lying areas are huge puddles ... I also need to put a new fuel pump on my sons 62 Chevy pickup ... so I'm going to have to play it by ear but I'll keep you posted.

 

[kimberkid]

I had a lot of problems with my subs also, until I got the Gemtech suppressed bolt.
When used with my standard springs and buffer, and set on super, it works great, as usual, but when set to subs, it cycles every subsonic load I have tried, so far.
You might try one, I know it works for me.

So my bolt showed up on Saturday and I went to the range on Sunday, but shooting subs I'm my AR with standard spring and buffer was still a single shot ... Do you load your own or buy? Can you tell me loads? email or pm is fine if you prefer ... A little frustrated at this point
by the way, I was using my 7.5" SBR if that makes any difference ... I didn't even think to take my 10.5" or 16" uppers with me

 

[MistWolf]

An AR in 300 BLK tuned to run on supersonic ammo will be undergassed for subsonic ammo. The Gemtech carrier won't change that.

 

[kimberkid]

An AR in 300 BLK tuned to run on supersonic ammo will be undergassed for subsonic ammo. The Gemtech carrier won't change that.

Do you have an AR in 300BO that will function with subs? If so, what's the secret?

 

[MistWolf]

I do not have a 300 BLK, but a friend recently got one. I've also followed a few threads on the subject. When an AR is undergassed, you need to get more gas into the expansion chamber. That means either opening up the gas port, or adding a suppressor. Even with a suppressor, you might still need to open the gas port.

 

[kimberkid]

I do not have a 300 BLK, but a friend recently got one. I've also followed a few threads on the subject. When an AR is undergassed, you need to get more gas into the expansion chamber. That means either opening up the gas port, or adding a suppressor. Even with a suppressor, you might still need to open the gas port.

It is suppressed with a YHM 30 Titanimum ... It's so quiet that the first few shots it just makes me laugh, it's Hollywood quiet!

 

[Sebastian the Ibis]

The trigger pull is a bit weird (and gritty) it takes some getting used to: first to get it to shoot when you expect, then to reliably shoot doubles, and then to get the ROF up. However, it is nothing that a day at the range and a few hundred rounds won't fix. We ran one side by side with a Lage slow fire MG and the difference in ROF was negligible. Lots of fun.

Unfortunately it is ambiguous if they are covered by the new Florida bump stock ban which comes into effect in October, so everyone I know with one is getting rid of theirs. If it gets cleared up, I look forward to getting one myself.