I don't think I'm completely wrong that it made no difference on crime.
"Freedom From Fear Act" seeks to reinstate 1994 AWB
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I don't think I'm completely wrong that it made no difference on crime.
JTHunter
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CDW4ME said:
The libs don't care about "crime". It's about their ability to control everything around them.
The libs don't care about "crime". It's about their ability to control everything around them.
JTHunter
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george burns said:
Before I send money to the GOA, I would send it to the NRA.
After that comes the Second Amendment Foundation, the organization with lawyer Allen Gura (sp.?) who has been so busy with various pro-gun lawsuits.
Then comes the GOA.
If you want to go even lower, there is the possibility NAGR (Natl. Assoc. of Gun Rights) might do something helpful besides sending out FUD type emails.
Before I send money to the GOA, I would send it to the NRA.
After that comes the Second Amendment Foundation, the organization with lawyer Allen Gura (sp.?) who has been so busy with various pro-gun lawsuits.
Then comes the GOA.
If you want to go even lower, there is the possibility NAGR (Natl. Assoc. of Gun Rights) might do something helpful besides sending out FUD type emails.
george burns
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I said emails, The NRA is a given, I have supported them for 40 years. The GOA has the pre printed and pre addressed letters that go directly to the state, and federal legislators, on pending legislation that is anti-gun.
It's great because they keep you informed of just about every bill about to be voted on and who to contact to show your unhappiness with any anti-gun reforms. It is also very good for those who don't have the time or inclination to follow every bill on the table.
It's great because they keep you informed of just about every bill about to be voted on and who to contact to show your unhappiness with any anti-gun reforms. It is also very good for those who don't have the time or inclination to follow every bill on the table.
orionengnr
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Counter with a "Freedom From Idiotic Politicians" Act.
Ah, never mind, that won't work.... Two thirds would be ineligible to vote on it.
I'm only "Free From Fear" when Congress is not in session...
Ah, never mind, that won't work.... Two thirds would be ineligible to vote on it.
I'm only "Free From Fear" when Congress is not in session...
Carl N. Brown
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AWB sunset: "Wrong. It was because Republicans held the presidency, and decided not to pursue gun control as an issue."
George W. Bush repeatedly said he would sign a renewal of the AWB if it reached his desk; his dad, George H.W. Bush, banned importation of "non-sporting purposes" military rifles and resigned his NRA membership over NRA's criticism of ATF/FBI actions at the Waco Raid and Siege 1993. While the Democrat National Party has branded itself the Party For Gun Control and Against Gun Rights, the Republcan National Party cannot be depended on for other than lip service to gun rights when it suits them.
The New York City editor of Harper's Magazine came to my home town of Kingsport TN in 1999 on a business trip and stayed at the Convention Center the same weekend as the local gun show. He wrote an op-ed that was published in the local paper as "A Northerner's fear and loathing in Kingsport". His opinion was the AWB was a farce: "I'm sure the legalization of assault rifles would upset a few liberals, but they well understand that most gun violence is wreaked by hidden pistols and pistols lying around on the table at home. And they know that maintaining the ban on assault rifles is mere window-dressing, just a dodge for politicians like President Clinton who want to play both sides of the fence." That's a self professed Liberal intellectual and gun control advocate acknowledging that the 1994 AWB did no good by 1999.
Later, just before the sunset of the AWB in 2004, the National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences did a review of academic research (not hopeful op-eds, but empirical research published under peer-review in academic journals) led by the rabidly anti-gun Steven Levitt and they found no measurable benefit from the AWB.
To claim the sunset of the AWB was "because Republicans" is ahistoric.
The AWB was, as Penn and Teller typified gun control in general, BS. That is why it failed. Not Republicans.
George W. Bush repeatedly said he would sign a renewal of the AWB if it reached his desk; his dad, George H.W. Bush, banned importation of "non-sporting purposes" military rifles and resigned his NRA membership over NRA's criticism of ATF/FBI actions at the Waco Raid and Siege 1993. While the Democrat National Party has branded itself the Party For Gun Control and Against Gun Rights, the Republcan National Party cannot be depended on for other than lip service to gun rights when it suits them.
The New York City editor of Harper's Magazine came to my home town of Kingsport TN in 1999 on a business trip and stayed at the Convention Center the same weekend as the local gun show. He wrote an op-ed that was published in the local paper as "A Northerner's fear and loathing in Kingsport". His opinion was the AWB was a farce: "I'm sure the legalization of assault rifles would upset a few liberals, but they well understand that most gun violence is wreaked by hidden pistols and pistols lying around on the table at home. And they know that maintaining the ban on assault rifles is mere window-dressing, just a dodge for politicians like President Clinton who want to play both sides of the fence." That's a self professed Liberal intellectual and gun control advocate acknowledging that the 1994 AWB did no good by 1999.
Later, just before the sunset of the AWB in 2004, the National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences did a review of academic research (not hopeful op-eds, but empirical research published under peer-review in academic journals) led by the rabidly anti-gun Steven Levitt and they found no measurable benefit from the AWB.
To claim the sunset of the AWB was "because Republicans" is ahistoric.
The AWB was, as Penn and Teller typified gun control in general, BS. That is why it failed. Not Republicans.
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orionengnr
My thoughts exactly!
My greatest "fear" is that self-serving politicians continue to mindlessly submit inane proposals like this which would do nothing to prevent the violence that happened. Like they actually believe that all they have to do is wave a magic wand (that is to say, pass a law), and then these incidents will never happen again.
My thoughts exactly!
My greatest "fear" is that self-serving politicians continue to mindlessly submit inane proposals like this which would do nothing to prevent the violence that happened. Like they actually believe that all they have to do is wave a magic wand (that is to say, pass a law), and then these incidents will never happen again.
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alan grayson
have any of you seen this guy? He has the facial features that immed.are suspect as demented. I haven't closely followed his actions in congress but what I have seen of his work,he talks out of both sides of his mouth. Grayson wouldn't get many votes here in Pa.,but then again,Rendel was elected and reelected,and if looks are indication of character,all would consider Rendel a mobster. We can survive the politicians,it's the idiots than vote for them that concern me.
have any of you seen this guy? He has the facial features that immed.are suspect as demented. I haven't closely followed his actions in congress but what I have seen of his work,he talks out of both sides of his mouth. Grayson wouldn't get many votes here in Pa.,but then again,Rendel was elected and reelected,and if looks are indication of character,all would consider Rendel a mobster. We can survive the politicians,it's the idiots than vote for them that concern me.
You can send money to the appropriate organization of your choice, and it's better we have them than none at all.
Write your Congresscreature, too, in long hand on real paper - that takes a moment and has more weight when delivered than a hundred quicky emails sitting in the cloud.
MOST importantly - buy more AR's. Nobody is banning cars - even tho they aren't quite the whipping boy of environmentalists like they used to be. We finally discovered cows and mowing your grass pollutes the atmosphere more than cars, industrial plants do more harm overall. We've been cleaning them up. When AR's are the main gun available in America today with little other choice on the market then the anti gunners will simply shut up.
Same as handguns in America - nobody shouts for Glocks to be banned, yet Glocks are probably the #1 gun used in crime. Why? Because Police - crips and crims pick the gun they think gives them social parity. You got a Glock, I got a Glock, everybody has superpowers equally.
Same with AR's - when you live in a world where everybody has one, then it's all the same, we have the same firepower and the same responsibility.
It's just a perspective on guns, but if you don't own an AR, you are supporting the anti gunners. If you served in the last 45 years and plan on owning YOUR service rifle, don't expect to get one left over from Uncle Sam - go buy it. The Garands are GONE and you have no choices left. When 85% of the guns hauled out of cases in the deer zone parking lot are AR's - then the AR hate will diminish and there won't be any "sporting purposes" double talk over it.
YOU buying and owning an AR is why these bills fail to pass. Figure out what model you would like to own, shop for a good price, and then buy it. Even if you never shoot it - it supports your rights far more than an email never read by a human. WE VOTE WITH OUR DOLLARS in America and it's a very powerful message.
The AR has become our current symbol of freedom in America and that's where you can cast your vote. You either own one - or you don't. What does it say about you?
Write your Congresscreature, too, in long hand on real paper - that takes a moment and has more weight when delivered than a hundred quicky emails sitting in the cloud.
MOST importantly - buy more AR's. Nobody is banning cars - even tho they aren't quite the whipping boy of environmentalists like they used to be. We finally discovered cows and mowing your grass pollutes the atmosphere more than cars, industrial plants do more harm overall. We've been cleaning them up. When AR's are the main gun available in America today with little other choice on the market then the anti gunners will simply shut up.
Same as handguns in America - nobody shouts for Glocks to be banned, yet Glocks are probably the #1 gun used in crime. Why? Because Police - crips and crims pick the gun they think gives them social parity. You got a Glock, I got a Glock, everybody has superpowers equally.
Same with AR's - when you live in a world where everybody has one, then it's all the same, we have the same firepower and the same responsibility.
It's just a perspective on guns, but if you don't own an AR, you are supporting the anti gunners. If you served in the last 45 years and plan on owning YOUR service rifle, don't expect to get one left over from Uncle Sam - go buy it. The Garands are GONE and you have no choices left. When 85% of the guns hauled out of cases in the deer zone parking lot are AR's - then the AR hate will diminish and there won't be any "sporting purposes" double talk over it.
YOU buying and owning an AR is why these bills fail to pass. Figure out what model you would like to own, shop for a good price, and then buy it. Even if you never shoot it - it supports your rights far more than an email never read by a human. WE VOTE WITH OUR DOLLARS in America and it's a very powerful message.
The AR has become our current symbol of freedom in America and that's where you can cast your vote. You either own one - or you don't. What does it say about you?
The Columbine Shooting happened right in the middle of the Assault Weapons ban
Mark Barton shooting spree happened right in the middle of the Assault Weapons ban
The Virginia Tech shooting was perpetrated with weapons that adhered to the Assault Weapons ban.
The mass shootings in France over the past few years have been perpetrated with weapons which were not legal in France.
1 man killed over 160 people with fertilizer in 1993
Bad people are going to find ways to kill people no matter what laws you make.
Mark Barton shooting spree happened right in the middle of the Assault Weapons ban
The Virginia Tech shooting was perpetrated with weapons that adhered to the Assault Weapons ban.
The mass shootings in France over the past few years have been perpetrated with weapons which were not legal in France.
1 man killed over 160 people with fertilizer in 1993
Bad people are going to find ways to kill people no matter what laws you make.
Flynt
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"Freedom from Fear." What a title. It reflects a disturbing mentality -- that it's possible, with the right programs, to eliminate all risk from life. We should demand that anytime something bad happens that is visible -- say a shooting or even power outage -- we make sure that we "do something" that makes sure "this never happens again." Guess what, we're not getting out of life alive.
Not only is this attitude leading us off a cliff, it tends to ignore other, more fatal threats, that don't make the headlines. I'm more afraid of getting a preventable infection in the hospital than I am of being killed in a mass shooting.
Not only is this attitude leading us off a cliff, it tends to ignore other, more fatal threats, that don't make the headlines. I'm more afraid of getting a preventable infection in the hospital than I am of being killed in a mass shooting.
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It's not about guns, it's about control.
When you have guns, it's harder to control you.
It would be better for the Ruling Class to rule the proletariat if they weren't armed.
Then, they could jam us all into cities and manage our lives much easier.
By the way, you're not going to be part of the Ruling Class. You're not a Leftist, right? So there you go.
So forget about semi-auto vs. single shot bolt action guns, or "muskets, 'cause that's what the Founding Fathers authorized us to have," or whether the crime rate has gone up or down, or whether more victims are one color or another - the Ruling Class will be along soon enough to regulate, strangulate, or just-plain-outlaw any firearm you own.
When you have guns, it's harder to control you.
It would be better for the Ruling Class to rule the proletariat if they weren't armed.
Then, they could jam us all into cities and manage our lives much easier.
By the way, you're not going to be part of the Ruling Class. You're not a Leftist, right? So there you go.
So forget about semi-auto vs. single shot bolt action guns, or "muskets, 'cause that's what the Founding Fathers authorized us to have," or whether the crime rate has gone up or down, or whether more victims are one color or another - the Ruling Class will be along soon enough to regulate, strangulate, or just-plain-outlaw any firearm you own.
Bigdog57
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I really hate seeing this kind of bombastic nonsense, a totally knee-jerk reaction, coming from a politico in my state. But, this is why it won't go anywhere - we Floridians will vote to keep our guns. Hopefully enough in that area will also see fit to vote this leftist tool out of his job.
MIL-DOT
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Irrelevant and illogical, because what you actually said was that it was allowed to expire 'because' it made no difference. Not the same thing.
MIL-DOT
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This was probably the most relevant and rational post in the thread.......unfortunately.
Anyone that believes the Progressives/Globalists don't ultimately pull this off, is living with their head in the sand. This, and worse, IS coming. I guarantee it.
george burns
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I don't think you will be able to buy insurance that would protect you in the case of using a rifle when used in a shooting. Any insurance company would put a rider on the policy eliminating the type of protection that you are speaking of. So perhaps an annual tax of 300-1000 dollars for a registered AR, "just guessing", but that is probably subjective at best. In the case of an actual shooting incident that you were involved in, the legal fees will bankrupt you first.
This in itself if imposed will be the main deterrent for most citizens, other than criminals. If you need to have insurance to buy one, and there is no one covering them, then obviously you can't own it.
What they may do is have a separate permit for long guns, like in NYC, "when I lived there", it was a rifle shotgun permit", and just not allow assault weapons to be listed on it, like before, my 22, Ruger 10/22 and BPS were on that permit, my pistols were on my carry.
As far as coming to your house, I doubt that that could ever be a practical idea, they would have to just live with the fact that those who had them could keep them ,and just stop selling them.
I am just giving you what I see as things that they may do, not things I am in favor of. I am looking at buying another AR now before the ban, I as the rest of you don't know what's going to happen, but would rather chance having what I need or want before any of this nonsense is put into action, which in some form they probably will do.
This in itself if imposed will be the main deterrent for most citizens, other than criminals. If you need to have insurance to buy one, and there is no one covering them, then obviously you can't own it.
What they may do is have a separate permit for long guns, like in NYC, "when I lived there", it was a rifle shotgun permit", and just not allow assault weapons to be listed on it, like before, my 22, Ruger 10/22 and BPS were on that permit, my pistols were on my carry.
As far as coming to your house, I doubt that that could ever be a practical idea, they would have to just live with the fact that those who had them could keep them ,and just stop selling them.
I am just giving you what I see as things that they may do, not things I am in favor of. I am looking at buying another AR now before the ban, I as the rest of you don't know what's going to happen, but would rather chance having what I need or want before any of this nonsense is put into action, which in some form they probably will do.
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The Dallas shooter used an SKS, which in most common configuration adheres to practically all AWB schemes ever devised, unless mentioned by name. The thought is this one was modified to use AK mags, but the feature would be its only 'feature' under a ban. Sure as sugar, media & politicians are now calling SKS's "military style assault rifles" even though they are as-issued and have always been semi-automatic and even adhere to their stupid notions of what a "good guy hunter" rifle is supposed to look like.
LOL. No, we're well past that. Nope, if the Dems get an open bite at the apple after a high profile assassination or something, it will be an outright ban on semi-automatic rifles, if not all repeating firearms. And yes, I'm fully aware of how preposterous such a proposition is; that is both how unlikely I see their victory, and how insane, bold, and desperate I believe the anti-gun faction has turned.
TCB
What I think is more likely is inclusion of anything semiautomatic in an existing bureaucracy, the NFA . Why reinvent the wheel? It would take an expansion of the division but if you want traceability, background checks, waiting periods and a near total elimination of impulse purchases there you go.
All of my AR's are NFA registered only because I think it would be harder to ban those outright as backwards sounding as that is.
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