Freedom loving gun-owner seeks political party…

[Kentak]

I don't know how to characterize your "platform," but it's not libertarian. And it does contain a lot of contradictory positions. You don't want a nanny state, but you are somehow going to require corporations to pay a living wage without regard to the principles of the free market? Sorry, doesn't fly.

K

 

[Thin Black Line]

Gun owners I meet try and tell me that the Republicans are freedom’s best friend, but their actions indicate otherwise.

Freedom.

As a nominal Republican, I have to apologize for the rest of my "party".
There is still some hope for candidates at the state level, but the rest
get completely corrupted in DC.

The problem is the neocon's so-called philosophy based on the "might makes
right" style of government control. They have completely beat down and
knocked out the old line conservatives and Constitutionalists like myself. We
have typically been the ones who actually fought this country's wars and
been responsible for cleaning up the messes --from both partiyas-- both
at home and around the world.

Because of the neocon's lust for power and control, you now have a
Republican Party that in its action has moved more closely to the
socioeconomic outcomes long sought by the Democrats.

The final outcome will range from censorship of thought, as evident in
practice even here among certain neocon mods, to the eventual tightening
restrictions on RKBA.

AWBII? You can count on it. It is inevitable with what has already taken
hold of the demos and is currently taking hold among the repubs. They
all fear We The People and can't even handle open debate any more.

Again, I'm sorry about the Repubs. We've tried to regain the freedom once
espoused, but it is slipping away.

 

[xd9fan]

"Libertarians often find themselves aligned with "conservatives" on issues of economic freedom-lower taxes, cutting goverment bureaucracy, easing regulations on business and looking to volunteerism and charitable giving in the private sector to provide society with a "safety net. But they side with liberals on personal tolerance, and respecting an individual's right to choose his or her lifestyle.

On the other hand, the view of most Libertarians is that Republicans and Democrats are each deplorably eager to use the force of the government as a tool of oppession against those with whom they disagree or disapprove of-either to steal thier wealth or restrict their personal freedom."


This is a nice quote but a little outdated..since "conservatives" no longer exist. But the last paragraph is why I woke up and left the GOP last year......yes I know I've backed myself into a wall.....yes I've made myself a serious political minority. BUT I will not continue to feed/reward the beast.

And I would love a party that HAD a domestic aganda. Iraq has enough representation, I would LOVE representation here in the U. S. on less Govt, less taxes, less gun control, less Social security....etc.

Everybodys got to find what will work for them. No party is perfect nor will they ever be. The Big Two, just play with individual liberty like an abstract concept. Good for flowerly speeches come election time but thats about it.

In the end, I will default on who ever respects the Bill of Rights and Individual Liberty........and yes even if it trumps "the war on Terror" and crap thats "for your protection"

The Gun Litmus test, from a previous thread here at THR, is a very good test. Its a very good start.

 

[Lupinus]

Should children be forced to work? I ask that because everyone who attacks welfare recipients should look at who is on welfare. I believe that 70% of the people who benefit from welfare are usually children. Meaning under age 18.

Trust me, my mother is disabled and got welfare and what not, it isn't enough to raise a child.

Everyone without a lagit disability needs to be kicked off welfare. If they have a child kick them in the ass make them get a job or take their kids away and give them to people who want kids and cant if you are that worried about them.

It's not my job to support the little demons you keep popping out like that thing between your legs is a damned water slide you cant pay for

 

[squarooticus]

the view of most Libertarians is that Republicans and Democrats are each deplorably eager to use the force of the government as a tool of oppession

The problem is that this is inevitable: when people give some group the legitimacy to steal from and remove the rights of others without reprisal, eventually this power will be used to the greatest extent that will not eliminate that legitimacy.

The American experiment worked acceptably for about 70 years, but it all went downhill once the national government gained compulsory control over the states through legitimately keeping dissenting states from rejecting the national government through secession.

It's hard to imagine a better Constitution than the one we have with respect to preserving liberty for its citizens. Yet it failed. This isn't evidence in favor of the compatibility of government with liberty.

Cheers,
Kyle

 

[Justin]

Should children be forced to work?

Nobody's stopping you from helping the darling little tykes out of the kindness of your heart.

I just object to your belief that everyone ought be forced, at gun point, to "help" them.

 

[SIOP]

AWBII? You can count on it.

Absolutely. Maybe sooner than you all think. Remember, Bush has stated on numerous occasions that he would sign such a bill. And if the Democrats regain control this November, you can bet it will be one of the first things on their agenda.

"It makes no sense for assault weapons to be around our society."
George W. Bush, Houston Chronicle, August 12, 1999


And, don't forget which ex-president was instrumental in making the first assault weapons ban happen.

That's right, Ronald Reagan, who directly lobbied Congress for passage of the first AWB, right after he personally helped get the Brady Bill rammed through.

And after he signed legislation banning new machinegun production for civilians.

 

[Soybomb]

Take your loyalty and support away from the mainstream. Just remember. Every vote you put away from the republican party is a vote that Clinton, Feinstein, Kerry, Kennedy, Schumer, et al don't have to overcome.

I understand the sentiment but at the same time the majority knows how to get my vote back if they want it. I'm not a single issue voter and I don't really feel like the 2 major parties are all that different. Vote for either and I lose.

"Left-wing politicians take away your liberty in the name of children and of fighting poverty, while right-wing politicians do it in the name of family values and fighting drugs. Either way, government gets bigger and you become less free." --Harry Browne

 

[xd9fan]

GOP gun owners have another disconnect: They run to the Federal Govt for protection in the "war on Terror", giving up the Right to protect yourself where ever you are (ie an airplane) yet wonder why that same Federal Govt and its politicans want you to lay down your arms for personal protection and reply on central planning like LEOs. Either personal protection works EVERYWHERE or it doesnt. My life is just as worth while protecting on the ground as in the air. I dont give up personal responsibilty of the protection of my life on the ground.....why would I give up my personal responsibility for the protection of my life to a pissed off TSA Govt worker???

There is another disconnect when freedom loving gun-owners who want to protect their own porperty from the REAL invasion of illegels and at the same time having President Bush calling them vigilantes.

On the radio today Bob Davis wonders why we dont treat the War on terror like americans treated WW2.

Maybe the american people see a weird disconnect when at one point we are told that we are at code yellow (so be extra extra worrried) but at the same time being told by the fed Govt to just go about your business and keep shopping at target and "dont worry the federal Govt is on it"

Well which is it, either we have a personal stake in protecting this land, city, community.............or, we dont, ......because the Federal Govt will save us.

Americans have got to get off this addiction to the federal govt, and thinking that if there is an anwser it must come from Govt.

But I'm just a swiss militia wanna be thinking that if you want something done it should be done grassroots first.