From a US Ranger in Irag
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dralarms
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All I can say through choking down the tears is WOW. I've said it all along we need to finish the job.
Pax Jordana
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according to the guy that posted the vid, I have no soul.
but! I agree completely with what the guy says. I'm not sure it'll make good soundbytes - "I have never failed at anything!"? - but they really do need a chance to finish the job.
(though this isn't gun related)
but! I agree completely with what the guy says. I'm not sure it'll make good soundbytes - "I have never failed at anything!"? - but they really do need a chance to finish the job.
(though this isn't gun related)
HiVelocity
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RavNew.........
Excellent post. Fortunately there are people who believe in what they're doing all over the world [including Iraq]. I fully support our troops.
When, and I mean when, we're forced to pull the troops out of Iraq; we'll be fighting "them" here.
Oh, for those of you who don't believe that suicide bombers are already here in the US. Why did I just get back from a Suicide Bomber course in January that is currently being taught in the U.S.? The class I attended has been taught to over 50 classes (50-60 to a class) of firefighters, police officers, and first responders since its inception.
............"if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem!"
I pray for our military every day and night..........you should too!
HiVelocity in SC
Excellent post. Fortunately there are people who believe in what they're doing all over the world [including Iraq]. I fully support our troops.
When, and I mean when, we're forced to pull the troops out of Iraq; we'll be fighting "them" here.
Oh, for those of you who don't believe that suicide bombers are already here in the US. Why did I just get back from a Suicide Bomber course in January that is currently being taught in the U.S.? The class I attended has been taught to over 50 classes (50-60 to a class) of firefighters, police officers, and first responders since its inception.
............"if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem!"
I pray for our military every day and night..........you should too!
HiVelocity in SC
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The Unknown User
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I'm personally against the war, but listening to that man made me want to cry like a baby.
Don't get me wrong; I support the troops, just not the war. God bless everyone over there (I'm an Atheist so I don't know what else to say).
Don't get me wrong; I support the troops, just not the war. God bless everyone over there (I'm an Atheist so I don't know what else to say).
AlaskaErik
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I did my time in Afghanistan and I'd rather we fight the enemy on their soil than on American soil. Islamofascism is not going to go away. We can't ignore it and we can't appease it and we can't cut and run from it. It will come to this country if we let it, and a certain political party wants that to happen. That's why it is imperative that the next president be pro Second Amendment.
Fulcrum of Evil
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It'd be a lot easier to support the war if we 1: could trust anything coming out of the prez's mouth regarding the war and 2: had a clear goal with measurable objectives. As it stands now, we're on goal 5 or 6 and 4 years past 'mission accomplished'.
Cliff47
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To borrow a quote from another forum/discusson thread "Save a baby seal, club a Congressperson".
Do not underestimate the Rangers... I know from whence I speak.
The Ranger Creed
Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps of my Ranger Regiment.
Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move farther, faster and fight harder than any other soldier.
Never shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task whatever it may be. One-hundred-percent and then some.
Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well-trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow.
Energetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.
Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission though I be the lone survivor.
RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!
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These guys are taught that failure is simply not an option... and given time, they believe it. Believe me, they take that oath seriously.
God bless them.
The Ranger Creed
Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps of my Ranger Regiment.
Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move farther, faster and fight harder than any other soldier.
Never shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task whatever it may be. One-hundred-percent and then some.
Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well-trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow.
Energetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.
Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission though I be the lone survivor.
RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!
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These guys are taught that failure is simply not an option... and given time, they believe it. Believe me, they take that oath seriously.
God bless them.
possum
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i appreciate the support of each and everyone, keep in mind that just because you don't support the "war" dosen't mean that you don't support the troops. i as a service member don't care if someone or another supports the "war" all we care as soliders saliors an marines is that you support us and appreciate the job we do. and ya'll do a great job of that and that is another fact that i love about this forum, ya'll are very very military friendly and the level of support here is awesome. thanks to you all, for your unwavery support and kind words, prayers and thoughts. it means more than ya'll will ever reliaze.
Was there a right-wing meme I missed about this? Seems to be a popular line now - we've got to fight THERE instead of HERE!!!!
Except that, you know, we didn't have to depose Saddam in the first place. And I don't recall anyone in the Bush Administration arguing that we should throw Iraq into turmoil because, as part of our cunning plan, it would draw out all the Islamists. Cunning, really, honestly - but maybe a nice explanation to offer up front rather than all that WMD and "free the Iraqi people" nonsense.
I guess it wouldn't have been a real hearts-and-minds winner to just say "Yes, we're planning to create a religious civil war in your Iraq, with our Saudi allies on one side, our Iranian enemies on the other and American soldiers in between being killed by both. But mostly by groups our Saudi allies are backing."
thexrayboy
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Nothing...it's about fighting those that would take our freedom (pollys) and
those that would take our lives (Islamofascists).
History will judge more accurately if Iraq was the right choice to make or not. History will also record whether western civilization awoke to the danger and fought back against Nazis in turbans or if we argued our way into
defeat. Like it or not we have a war on our hands. We can either fight it on our terms (in other places), we can wait till we fight it on their terms (here), or we can roll over and say **** us, we give up.
I'm not sure, but Wooderson's right. This administration can't seem to do much except come up with inaccurate one-liners that seem to catch on. This veteran always supports the troops. One has nothing to do with the other. "Fighting them here" is equally inaccurate. It's very possible, but not a valid cause & effect conclusion. I just so happen to oppose fighting this war in the wrong place. If I'm not mistaken, most of "them" are in Afghanistan. If we really want to take the fight to the terrorists lets really fight them on their streets.
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Iraq was never a threat to us here. Hell, Saddam used to be our boy until Bush attacked him to make himself look good (history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme). We screwed up bigtime by invading: Saddam was a nasty guy, but he was useful, not the least because he opposed Al Queda with no help from us.
Wow, that was kind of dumb and uninformative. This guy is dealing purely on emotion and not reality. I supported this war initially but things have changed and the war was handled poorly by Bush. Ask yourself what would be different two years from now if we stayed there? Answer is nothing. We have to leave sometime. We could win this but we need double the troops and less pc bull**** but that isn't going to happen.
whoa kay!!!
Soooo we all support the troops, AND we can all agree that this isn't the place where we're going to change each others' minds about Iraq, the President, and the ravages of birdflu.
I think after this many years, most of us have made up our minds on those issues (many had our minds made up long before 9/11, I bet!).
great video! God bless all you folks who wear/wore the uniform.
Soooo we all support the troops, AND we can all agree that this isn't the place where we're going to change each others' minds about Iraq, the President, and the ravages of birdflu.
I think after this many years, most of us have made up our minds on those issues (many had our minds made up long before 9/11, I bet!). great video! God bless all you folks who wear/wore the uniform.
coylh
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This kind of logic doesn't work very well.
1. My friends died over there.
2. We can't quit now, because that would make their deaths meaningless.
3. Therefore we should send more of my friends over there. Go to #1.
This is the basis of a feud because the enemy, and the rest of the people the military kills, are thinking the same thing about us.
Do you think they say on Iranian chat boards "We either fight the Americans over there, or we fight them here!"
1. My friends died over there.
2. We can't quit now, because that would make their deaths meaningless.
3. Therefore we should send more of my friends over there. Go to #1.
This is the basis of a feud because the enemy, and the rest of the people the military kills, are thinking the same thing about us.
Do you think they say on Iranian chat boards "We either fight the Americans over there, or we fight them here!"
BFIII12
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At this point I could honestly give two you know whats about the policy! All I know is that we have BRAVE young men and women getting their arses shot off in a desert. And as long as I live I will never abandon them! My Vietnam veteran father made me promise him that I will never treat a soldier like he was treated. Its kinda nice to walk up to a soldier in an airport and offer thanks. Unfortunately it catches them off guard...
I have a couple of High School buddies that served in Afghanastan and Iraq. One earned his CIB in Afghanastan with the 5th Group and the other earned it in Iraq with the 82nd Airborne. They just want the citizens to be thankful. To them its not about politics.
I have a couple of High School buddies that served in Afghanastan and Iraq. One earned his CIB in Afghanastan with the 5th Group and the other earned it in Iraq with the 82nd Airborne. They just want the citizens to be thankful. To them its not about politics.
That reminds me of a recent Doonesbury.
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Soldier:"Sarge, I don't understand the debate in Congress... How is cutting off war funds 'not supporting the troops'? Does it mean we'd be stranded here without ammo or rations?"
Sarge: "Of course not, it just means we'd have to withdraw."
Soldier: "Really? So if Congress doesn't support the troops, I go home to my family, but if they do support us we have to keep returning to the meat grinder?"
Sarge: "Uh, right."
Soldier: "I don't mean to sound ungrateful..."
Sarge: "Permission to think it through denied."
JamisJockey
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The Armed Forces are merely a tool to serve US Foriegn policy. When the need is no longer there, or the mission has failed due to inadequate planning and forethought by the administration, forces should be withdrawn. We have failed in Iraq. No fault of the military, they are the best in the world. But without the proper planning even the best fail. The bush administration failed to plan properly for after the invasion, so the mission has failed. Bring 'em home to rest, refit and retrain for the next one.
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