From Iran To Arafat: Kerry`s The One

[roscoe]

This is a pretty funny thread, since the first post is dead wrong about Iran. Remember, get your facts straight, folks, before getting all frothy:

October 20, 2004
The Associated Press reports:

TEHRAN, Iran -- The head of Iran's security council said Tuesday that the re-election of President Bush was in Tehran's best interests, despite the administration's "axis of evil" label, accusations that Iran harbors al-Qaida terrorists and threats of sanctions for the country's nuclear ambitions.

Historically, Democrats have harmed Iran more than Republicans, said Hasan Rowhani, head of the Supreme National Security Council, Iran's top security decision-making body.

"We haven't seen anything good from Democrats," Rowhani told state-run television in remarks that, for the first time in decades, saw Iran openly supporting one U.S. presidential candidate over another.

Though Iran generally does not publicly wade into U.S. presidential politics, it has a history of preferring Republicans over Democrats, who tend to press human rights issues.

"We do not desire to see Democrats take over," Rowhani said when asked whether Iran was supporting Democratic Sen. John Kerry against Bush.

"It's not an endorsement we'll be accepting anytime soon," Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel said in response. "Iran should stop its pursuit of nuclear weapons, and if they continue in the direction they are going, then we will have to look at what additional action may need to be taken, including looking to the U.N. Security Council."

 

[Intune]

You find humor in that Roscoe? What if you were a terr and finally realized that Pres. Bush has a darn good chance of winning? Would back-pedeling not be in order? Which dog you got in this fight if you don't mind my asking?

 

[roscoe]

Stand down, pardner! My point is that a bunch of conservatives here started jumping on the bandwagon: 'oh yes, all the international thugs want Kerry to win because he is a wimp on terrorism' when that is total BS. This thread is just an excuse for Kerry-bashing, which is OK, but you better make sure you are right on your facts, otherwise you look a bit foolish. In this case, the entire premise of the thread was flawed from the start.

I might add that only if you draw the invisible line between Osama and Saddam do you buy the idea that Democrats are less effective on terrorists. My read (based on Richard Clark and the 9/11 commission, among others) of the past 12 years is that Clinton did a better job preventing terrorism than Bush did. Bush merely stirred up the hornets (for a variety of flawed reasons) without a notion of how to finish the job, and the US is less secure and the world less stable than it was 5 years ago.

So my dog is the US of A, not the Republican party, if that is what you are asking.

What if you were a terr and finally realized that Pres. Bush has a darn good chance of winning?

Don't make me laugh - Bush is in way over his head, and he is the best recruiting tool Osama has. You think Osama wants a moderate in the White House? The best way to raise armies of suicide bombers is to use Bush as the prime example of how aggressive the west is.

 

[Cool Hand Luke 22:36]

I might add that only if you draw the invisible line between Osama and Saddam do you buy the idea that Democrats are less effective on terrorists. My read (based on Richard Clark and the 9/11 commission, among others) of the past 12 years is that Clinton did a better job preventing terrorism than Bush did. Bush merely stirred up the hornets (for a variety of flawed reasons) without a notion of how to finish the job, and the US is less secure and the world less stable than it was 5 years ago.

Would that better job on terrorism that Clinton accomplished include refusing credible offers from two seperate Middle East nations to hand over Bin-Laden?, the cut-and-run from Somalia?, the wag-the-dog-Monica-diversion missle attacks on a baby formula plant in the Sudan? etc.

8 years of Clintoon Admin. incompetence is was what allowed the 9/11 attacks to succeed.

As for the Iranians, it was the Liberal Democrats and their invertebrate "human-rights" foreign policy emphasis that facilitated the rise to power of Khomeni's murderous Islamic-fundamentalists in Iran back in '79, despite what this Iranian Governmant flack has to say. If Reagan had first been elected in '76 as opposed to '80 the Pahlavi family would most likely still be on the Peacock throne, and about 10 million people would still be alive as a result.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

My read (based on Richard Clark and the 9/11 commission, among others) of the past 12 years is that Clinton did a better job preventing terrorism than Bush did.

You need to do some more reading. Clinton did nothing to fight terrorism, unless of course, you count turning down bin Laden's head on a platter as doing something.

 

[big poppa]

useless political retortric

having been a new member for a short time and an avid reader of this fourm,i can say that"charlie,s in the wire!"we have some people who come in here as left wing socialist infultratiors trying to convince us were wrong,they are such a slave to their ideology, that they are drinking DEEP from the kool-aide barrel, and argueing with them is like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer.this is another reason why kerry cant win, he is at the head of this mindset. the poster"atone" is just another example of this drivel, chanting the left wing mantra like lemmings over the cliff, these people if they come to power will ruin us all,in all my life that i have been politicaly aware, i have never see a campaign like this one. the left have pulled out everything,and it goes to the top,the out and out blatant lies. kerry is the most disingenious do anything say anything political whore ive ever seen, HE IS THE CONSUMMATE POLITICAL FRAUD!! why cant people see this!if an old broken down truck driver from virginia can see this, why cant some of these so called sophisticated intellectual liberial elitists see it? heck why cant everybody see it?

 

[Hkmp5sd]

why cant some of these so called sophisticated intellectual liberial elitists see it?

They can see it and using their highly evolved intellect, they can convince themselves that just because something looks, smells and tastes like manure, it isn't necessarily a bad thing. Look at their love affair with Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Uncle Ho. The end always justifies the means in their book.

 

[Gary H]

charlie's in the wire

A flash from the past. Yes, that is undoubtedly true. We have a few genuine gun people that maintain politics that are harmful to gun ownership. Others are trolls that come here to pick a fight and see if they can get everyone upset. The former hold reasonable discussions, whereas the latter are busy typing and not reading.

 

[Intune]

I think it’s their absolute hatred for George Bush. The way he talks, his down-home folksy manner, his inability to pronounce certain words, his face, his body, his manner of walking… You name it, they hate it.

I have yet to find one person who supports John Kerry. Oh, I’ve met a bunch who are voting against President Bush but not one who says “I love Kerry’s record and have had my eye on him for the country's highest office for years and the Dems picked the right guy for the job.†Any/all of Kerry’s faults/voting record are negated/obscured by the one simple belief of “he’s not George Bush. ANYBODY would be better than George Bush.†So that’s what the Dems are left with. The most liberal senator in the country and they HAVE to support him. Ouch. Having to gild a pile of poo can’t be enjoyable to a sensible person but it is amazing how many seem to have an affinity for the task.

 

[big poppa]

mmm

correct me if im wrong, but didnt LENIN call these people "USEFUL IDIOTS" AND DOESN,T THAT SAY IT ALL?

 

[Intune]

Roscoe,

This is a pretty funny thread, since the first post is dead wrong about Iran. Remember, get your facts straight, folks, before getting all frothy:

What part of my original post do you refute? Is the Iranian leader Ayatollah Khamenei misquoted or possibly Aryo Pirouznia? Is it Hassan Nemazee’s admission of raising $500,000 for Kerry’s campaign? Was it more?

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

Inquiring minds want to know:

Why do atone and big poppa have the same writing style, and has anyone ever seen them in the same place?

Just joking.

 

[roscoe]

What part of my original post do you refute?

The part that says that the Iranian government would prefer Kerry to win, which was the implication of the second half of your post.

I think it’s their absolute hatred for George Bush. The way he talks, his down-home folksy manner, his inability to pronounce certain words, his face, his body, his manner of walking… You name it, they hate it.

No, it is the fact that he is so confident that he is doing God's work, without really considering the fact that he may just be a ordinary politician making huge mistakes. But you are right, many of us don't like Kerry, it is a question of the lesser of two evils.

charlie's in the wire

I guess that's me, although I have been in the wire for a long time. If you can't think of something incisive to say, you can always call me a socialist. Of course, Democrats say the same thing when I tell them I oppose gun control.

 

[Intune]

charlie,s in the wire!

Naw, I think he meant atone.

The part that says that the Iranian government would prefer Kerry to win, which was the implication of the second half of your post.

They gave half a mil to Kerry's campain but come out on the 20th officially endorsing President Bush. Welcome to the Middle East. BTW, the info in that article I posted was from a few months ago.

I never got the feeling that the President thinks he is doing God's work. (Shouldn't God have a good handle on that?) I realize he prays for guidance and direction but for many that's a good trait.