From the "only government should have guns" file

[Norton]

.....because being a highly trained government agent makes you more safe around guns : Doesn't say if the locked box was forced open or if Jr used a combination or key.


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/lo...1dec31,1,3877195.story?coll=bal-local-arundel
Judge orders son of DEA agent to be held without bail
Police say he fired gun at parents in their Crofton home


By Annie Linskey
sun reporter

December 31, 2005

The 17-year-old son of a federal agent who was arrested Thursday after police say he attempted to shoot both his parents and then fled to New Jersey was ordered held without bail by an Anne Arundel County judge yesterday.

Tom Jason Reimann, 17, of Crofton was arrested in North Caldwell, N.J., at 9 a.m. Thursday and charged as an adult with two counts of attempted second-degree murder, first- and second-degree assault charges and other offenses, police said. Authorities moved Reimann to Anne Arundel County at 3 a.m. yesterday. Anne Arundel County District Judge Megan B. Johnson ordered him held without bail at the county detention center yesterday.

Police suspect Tom Reimann had been drinking alcohol at the time of the shootings, according to police charging documents filed with the county's District Court.

After arguing with his parents about the family dog about 3 a.m. Thursday, Tom Reimann went into his parents' bedroom and took his father's service gun from a locked box, grabbed an extra box of ammunition and donned camouflage "military-style fatigues" and his father's bulletproof vest, according to authorities and charging documents.

Holding his mother at gunpoint in the kitchen, Tom Reimann demanded keys to the family car, according to the documents. When she refused, he fired at his mother, but the shot missed, according to the documents.

Mark Reimann, a Drug Enforcement Administration special agent and the boy's father, heard gunshots and rushed toward the kitchen. Tom Reimann pointed the gun at his father and again demanded the car keys, charging documents say. When his father hesitated Tom Reimann fired a shot that missed "by a few inches," according to the documents.

Tom Reimann then drove 200 miles to a relative's home in North Caldwell, where he was arrested without incident, county police said. Neighbors said that the Reimann family moved to Crofton from New Jersey within the past several weeks.

 

[Wiley]

Norton, I don't understand your point.

An underage drunk setals a gun (that was blissninny secrued), attempts to kill two people, steals a car, and other property.

Does it matter that the property (gun, car, etc.) was owned by an LEO?

 

[Steve in PA]

+1

 

[El Tejon]

Wiley, from a political standpoint, it matters a great deal. LEOs are held up as paragons of virtue by the antis. We hear all about their "training" and how responsible they are just because they are feds (or po-po or shireeve, or whatever).

We mere serfs are not trustworthy enough to have guns because we would just hurt ourselves or others. We are not responsible enough, unlike those saintly LEOs.

Well, looky thar! Someone steals a LEO's gun and attempts to hurt others.

More evidence that LEOs should be disarmed! For the children!

The "locked" box is likely a cover story given by the fed.

 

[Norton]

Wiley....as explained concisely by El Tejon.

How many articles have we all read, both from here and abroad, about how only LEOs and military should be the only ones entrusted with firearms by mere virtue of their training?

My comments are not intended as a rail against LEOs in particular.....but rather the manner in which they are used against us by the antis when they say that we, as civilians, are not able to be trusted with them because someone may get hurt.

Apologies for not being as clear as I could have been in my initial post.

 

[Spot77]

Don't worry. Some users will jump at any chance to brand someone as a "LEO Basher".

Normally it's a police officer him/herself.

Police suspect Tom Reimann had been drinking alcohol at the time of the shootings

and:

An underage drunk

Suspected drinking = a drunk? Lovely.

 

[Lupinus]

It goes to show that being a cop, fed, or anything else considered "safe" by the antis to have guns are not special. Good post.

 

[beaucoup ammo]

It's The Information Age

Once the "media" gets a story of this nature, it's like a mad dog in a meat market. Facts don't matter..it's Perception that counts.

The story is the father being a LEO..otherwise it's only domestic fodder that ends up on the back page.

Take Care

 

[GRB]

Wiley, from a political standpoint, it matters a great deal. LEOs are held up as paragons of virtue by the antis. We hear all about their "training" and how responsible they are just because they are feds (or po-po or shireeve, or whatever).

Are you really that short sighted? on't you understand that the antis as you call them only hold federal agents in high esteem when it poleases them; the rest of the time they slam us pretty friggin hard. Just read up on what a job they think any of us are doing in area of law enforcement. Give it a break to make it seem as if it matters who stole a gun from whom and then tried to shoot someone. You seemingly have fallen prey to the rhetoric of your opposition and are now playing the game at their level - low down and dirty by calling foul on a federal law emforcement any more than you wopuld on another person kjust because the other side sometimes praises them to meet their needs. That to me seems pretty downright unfair.

 

[Norton]

Glenn,

Please re-read carefully what we have been saying......no one is attacking the DEA agent specifically. What we are pointing out is the irony in the antis' argument when they say that civilians are not to be trusted with firearms because we don't possess that magical government training.

Truth is, IMHO, that LEOs as a group are no more or no less likely to have something like this happen to them than are the general gun-owning public. Either your guns are secured or they aren't. Either your kid will attack you or he won't. Being a LEO, federal or otherwise, is in and of itself not really part of the equation.

That being said, poking holes in our opponents' arguments is a necessary part of the RKBA fight and it is imperative that we counter their lies point for point. They will seize upon incidents like this to show that having guns in a house is dangerous....but will at the same time contradict themselves when they say that only military and police should have firearms.

There is no disrespect for LEOs expressed or implied in my initial post, nor do I believe anyone else indended such.

Cheers....

 

[carebear]

Did he only have the one gun?

I guess he had the one locked up for safety but he, a trained officer, runs toward a gunshot (albeit in his own house) unarmed?

Sure you want to protect the family but what did he think he was going to do empty-handed? My first thought would have been some bad guy coming for revenge, if not "just" a home invasion.

Or did he have some idea it was the kid, perhaps from the wife yelling?

But just the one gun and locked up with him at home? Maybe he had reason to feel the kid was dangerous.

 

[Janitor]

when they say that civilians are not to be trusted with firearms because we don't possess that magical government training.

Would these antis who think LEOs have magical government training be the same antis that passed a law in SF that says even current but off duty police cannot keep guns they own within the city limits? (Though myself, I think that fare is fare.)

Look at the police in London. Right now they (police included) get all in a tizzy if you suggest that 100% of the police go armed 100% of the time. They (again, including the police) will suggest that guns are far too difficult to learn to use responsibly. Too difficult even for police. (again - fare is fare)

Watch this space - the antis are coming and nobody is safe.
-

 

[Wiley]

Norton,

Had I thought you were 'cop bashing' I would not have posted. I knew you were not. I was just commenting on the choice of article.

The cop did everything the anti's demand. And only because the gun was weilded by an underage drunk (THAT statment I will stand by) was no one wounded or worse.

As for El Tajone's pithy comment, I can only say:

 

[MikeK]

El Tejon and Norton +2 (?). This is not the first incident in the DC area like this. Incident in Baltimore several years ago where a kid and his friend used a LEO's gun to murder one of them. The name of the LEO and the fact that they were breaking and entering was ignored by the press around here (of course). One of the kid's mom's became a spokesperson for the anti's.

 

[Norton]

One of the kid's mom's became a spokesperson for the anti's.

Naturally......

 

[MICHAEL T]

Maybe the Kid was homesick for the Great State of NJ So its the Gov fault for tranfering his father.