From the secret corridors of Nazi arms designers...

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At the recent show this past weekend, there were more than the usual handful of neat rare guns. Specifically, there were several very cool German pieces for sale and show. In addition to the usual supply of MP40s, MG34s, and MG42s, we had at least one StG44:

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Getting a bit rarer, we also had a table occupied by FG42, Inc. They're the company making semiauto FG42 replicas, and they brought prototypes of both their first and second model FGs. Very, very cool guns. The first type in particular is surprisingly light and well-balanced for a full-power battle rifle. Delivery of these will start in about three months, as all the ATF hurdles have now been cleared.

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Finally, the rarest items at the show were a pair of hand-made replicas of last-ditch 7.92x33 Kurz carbines. The one in back is an StG45, of which just a handful of original examples remain. The one in front is a Grotto-3 (I think that's spelled right) and the only one of its kind, as no known original examples exist. It's basically a roller-locked, gas-operated G43 shrunk down to fire 8mm Kurz. Both of these two were entirely hand-made by a brilliant European gunsmith (the production and importation process for the StG45 has taken 14 years), and will not ever be available in quantity. I was lucky enough to listen in when the maker disassembled the StG45 and described all its details to a couple interested fellows (as you might expect only a small fraction of the folks who saw it recognized it).

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In an episode of the old TV series Combat a German driver pulls a very short K43 style rifle from a scabard bolted to his truck cab.
I've never seen a K43 that short, it was no larger than the 7.92X33 model in your image. I do believe it had a full sized action and mag so it may have been a rare carbine version of the K43. The gun fired and in semi auto so it wasn't a dummy gun, blanks of course.

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I remember an article about a guy in East Germany finding a pouch with loaded STG 44 magazines in it and hand crafting an STG45 using plans he'd lifted somewhere with the intention of using the gun if necessary when he made his escape from East Berlin. Guess he didn't plan on getting shot down by the Vopos without a chance to shoot back.
 
How about the real thing?

Took some photos when I visited the ATF reference collection.

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My dream collection

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GunTech,

I'm not allowed in rooms like that by my wife. She is very indulgent, but she would know she'd not see me again for weeks.


-- John
 
And do think how much money they'd make selling those guns to us.

"reference" collection? All they need is a computer and internet connection, I'm sure The High Road could help them out with any reference question possible.
 
Just think about what their alcohol, tobacco, and explosives reference collections look like! ;)
 
Dammit, that's some nice stuff.

My attention caught this one:
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From what i know, Mauser produced several "Gearat" (Device) prototypes, with Gerat 03 being roller-locked G43 in 7.92x57 Mauser, Gerat 06 being the gas-operated, roller locked machine carbine in 7.92x33 Kurz, and Gerat 07 being the version of 03 but with stamped receiver.
By mid-43 03 and 07 were dropped in favor of 06, which was soon converted to retarded blowback operation and renamed Gerat 06H, which later evolved into the Mauser Stg.45(M), and then in CETME and HK post-war weapons

PS: is it possible to get a pic of this Gerat in bigger size, and probably get more details on prototype and gunsmith who made it? Thanks a lot!
 
Can I have all of them please!

I just checked out their website :eek:
http://www.fg42.us/index.html

The new price of the semi automatic FG42 is $10,000.00 plus 10% federal excise tax plus shipping and insurance to the buyers FFL holder.

Sample:
$10,000.00 rifle
$1,100.00 Federal Taxes (10%)

$11,100 Total Price plus shipping and insurance

Guess I'll never be buying one from them unless I win the lottery!
 
Thanks for the pics AND info, Ian.

I'm not much of a 'black gun' or auto fan but those pieces
sure got my pulse rate up. I'll have to do some rethinking.
 
that is some pretty cool stuff. Wonder what ammo the new FG42 shoots ... still 8mm Mauser?
 
Where was this show? Sure wish I'd gone
a big +1 to that! I thought the shows around here were good just cause they had 99.9% guns and accessories, and 0.1% toys, jerky, etc.
 
Very nice and interesting photos.

I recall that there was also a gas-delayed blowback carbine called the volkssturmgewehr that used MP44 magazines.
 
This show was the annual Small Arms Review show in Phoenix. Aside from the German stuff, there were a handful of .50 M2s, 20mm cannons, and two GE miniguns (one normal, one suppressed). :evil:

lencac - Yes, the 42s are in 8mm Mauser. Those replicas are crafted down the the smallest detail to be identical to the originals; every part other than the op rod and FCG (which had to be changed for semi-only ATF approval) will interchange. Even things like the metal heat shield inside the wooden handguard.

Percy - Yes, that was the Volkssturmgewehr 1-5 (or one of the other VG models). There are a couple of those floating around too, done by the same guy. Interestingly, they function perfectly with original German ammo, but malf a lot with the new Prvi Partisan stuff. Apparently the new ammo has a totally different pressure curve.

Max - That's the only photo I have at the moment, but I'll see what I can do.

A couple things...when I say those two carbines were made by hand, I'm not exaggerating. The fellow made all the stamping dies and other tooling, and personally machined all the machined parts. He couldn't find any proper laminated stocks at the time, so he made one from scratch. The guns look a bit crude because in reality they were, but these examples are absolute works of art.
 
Quite a bit cooler than my local gun shows, these days. If someone had StG-44s and FG-42s on scene (even static displays not for sale), I'd probably go to more of them . . .
 
Wow, those are cool! Thanks for sharing.

two GE miniguns (one normal, one suppressed).

:eek: Got any pics of the suppressed minigun? I didn't know such a beast was possible. Was one mounted to each barrel or did they all fire through one can?
 
See it? I'm trying to imagine what that would sound like.

A standard minigun, reasonably close, sounds like God tearing the fabric of Space-Time. A suppressed one must sound...really really unearthly. The whirr of an electric motor, the clacking of the mechanical parts, the constant chime of brass on the floor, and the omnipresent exhalation of the Almighty as he smites the infidels.

OK. Now I have to hear that.

Mike
 
I've shot a 10/22 with a can, and the faster you'd fire the effectiveness decreased. How would they overcome that with such a high cyclic rate? Or is it just something tacti-cool for someone with deep pockets?
 
Wow! I've never seen most of those. I've been reading about that last year in Germany and it amazed me that one of the soldiers' main motivations to fight was a hope that *WE* would rescue them and their families from the Red Army. In one instance HQ implied a treaty with the US was only three days away, knowing that this lie would at least get three more days of good fighting from the men on the ostfront. You realize how absolutely little Hitler & Co. cared about their own men.
 
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