"Fun gun," "SHTF gun," and FOPA

[Gifted]

Inspired by a thread in the legal forum. There was a comment about keeping a full auto fed, and the pleasantries of reloading for one.

The premise is that the ban on FA is lifted, and falling prices, and eventually increased production/possibly importation allows you to get whatever. There are two categories to fill:

1: fun gun. This would be purely for fun, for burning money in the form of ammo for amusement. For example, I'd pick one of these, as .22 is cheap enough to keep it well fed, and easier to pack around than the full size counterparts.

2: SHTF gun. This would be a true excersise in 2nd amendment rights. This is the serious gun, intended for this use. I'd probably go with the .308 Bushmaster type I'm looking at for fun, modified for FA or burst.

You can put more than one gun in each category.

 

[Ivy Mike]

For fun, I'd go with either .22lr or 9mm. 22 is cheap and common. Easy to feed that gun even on a shoe string budget. 9mm is also cheap and available on the surplus market. Our military uses it.

For SHTF, it would either be 9mm or 5.56 NATO. Our military uses iot, so ammo is everywhere. Possibly 7.62x39, but that is not produced locally in teh volumes that either 9mm or 5.56 is. I'll take a nice reliable Kalashnikov action though.

 

[artherd]

If new production machineguns become unregulated again, the only question I have is:

Will my Gatling Cannon be in 5.56mm or 7.62mm?

 

[Tamara]

I would commit unspeakable acts to get my hands on a Tippmann M1917.

 

[GreenFurniture]

Why don't you ask your boss to get one or make one? I'm sure he would do it. He's a very reasonable guy, Tam.

For me, the fun gun would be a suppressed Ruger 10/22 in select fire.

SHTF gun, well it's sitting next to me. M16A1

HSWAGTD gun is in the safe and all I'm going to say is that it takes a box for feeding.

 

[SapperLeader]

For fun it would be a two gun deal, one of those belt fed .22s that are coming out in FA and a 9mm/.45 subgun. Easy answer would be an mp5 as I have fired those and like them, but the historical features of a Thompson or Sten appeals to me too. I know I want a subgun but I would have to do some research and test firing to settle on one. Outside of current US military arms I have only fired a handful of full auto guns.

SHTF gun - A FA .308 battlerifle makes me remember the issues with controlling the m14 so I wouldn’t want to go with that. I would want an m249 SAW with enough 200 round plastic drums and 100 round soft pouches to keep my happy. (I’m cheating a little bit too as this gun is my personal ultimate in fun machineguns that I have fired before). This would give me man cartable full auto controllable capability in a light machinegun. I also have experience as a saw gunner before I became a NCO in the army (3-4 years total) so I am familiar with the maintenance and use of this particular gun. While I also have similar though not as extensive experience with the 242 and m60 series those guns require a-gunners and I always hated carrying the dang things(bad experiences in sapper school )

 

[TechBrute]

M16 in .22LR and .223. Trying to hit something with a full auto .308 is no fun. I'm not sure I'm really even into the FA for SHTF guns. Aimed single shots is the way to go.

 

[why_me]

I would have to get this if i had the shekels

Here is a video
http://www.gregbruns.com/images/fridaypage/100804the_doom_buggy.wmv
I would also want one of those .22 belt feds

 

[txgho1911]

Just two?

For fun anything I can afford to feed. Maybe lookalike minigun in 22lr.
SHTF would have to be 308 semi-auto selectable.

For the truck: Full size minigun with the eye tracking gear so it points everywhere I look from behind the wheel!

 

[Kharn]

For fun, I'd go with an M249
For real, I'd go with an M240
I'm a firm believer in Bugging-out in place.

Tamara,
Any idea why those half-scale 1917s cant (legally) be removed from the tripod if they're semiauto? Are they then AOWs?

Kharn

 

[Third_Rail]

Length requirements, I believe...

 

[Dionysusigma]

Think I'd go for an American 180. Nine or ten 275rd drums, and since it's chambered in .22 LR it'd be cheap to feed. Huge firepower, light ammo, and it looks cool. Kinda like what you'd get if a Thompson and a DPM Ruchnoy Pulemyot LMG were left in the safe too long together...

Plus it fires faster than an MG-42...

 

[Gifted]

You aren't limited to just two, txgho1911. You jsut have to have at least one in each category.

If they made a .22 minigun, that would be on the wish list.

 

[nhhillbilly]

I would love to have Tommy gun. Thompson sub gun. But not at current prices. I would go up to $1500.00 or so. That would be fun.

 

[why_me]

Gifted is truly gifted

Man i wish i thought of that. A .22 minigun!!!!! AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
Still going to be expensive though

 

[SnakeEater]

For fun, I'd go with an M249
For real, I'd go with an M240

Well said, well said indeed.

 

[bogie]

Unless you're a serious mutant, you are NOT going to be able to control a .308 battle rifle in full auto. Maybe if it weighs over 20 pounds (i.e., a BAR).

Heckuva way to waste ammo. How much ammo you wanna hump?

I'd like a Shrike.

And a .22LR minigun, IMHO, has some serious applications... A pallet-sized object, can easily be kicked out of a chopper with a LOT of ammo... You hear noises in the wire, don't worry about it - send a couple of thousand rounds downrange - you've got more.

Yeah, it's just a .22... Would YOU wanna be in front of a .22LR minigun at 50 yards? 100 yards? 200 yards? I wouldn't even draw the line at 500 yards...

That, and an electronically-fed buckshot-shootin' 12-gauge machinegun could be pretty interesting... In a semi-permanent location, dig the suckers in with poured concrete so you don't have to worry about 'em being turned around, lock the doors, and if you hear a bump in the night, turn on the lights, and if you see something, make it go away.

 

[Dr.Rob]

well if it all became legal again...

Something in 9mm to shoot on the cheap... and an honest to JMB BAR.

Of course there are more modern FA's out there, but few with the mystique of the full auto 30-06 with a magazine the sizeof an 8 track tape.

 

[Ivy Mike]

[cough] Metal Storm [/cough]

http://www.metalstorm.com/

 

[Yooper]

I agree with nhhillbilly, a Tommy gun would cover both bases.

 

[entropy]

MP5-PDW for fun. (Or MP5SD, MP5K, etc.)

M240 for work. (always wanted an MG3, though, too.)

 

[SUE ROVR]

G18

Hk91

 

[CleverNickname]

Fun gun: I've always thought a .22LR machinepistol with a ~50 round mag and a red-dot sight on top would be a hoot, or the previously mentioned .22LR minigun.

SHTF gun: an AR fills that role right now, so an M16 would be the logical replacement.

 

[pete f]

fun gun: I saw this at a gun show once and have not seen the gun since but he had a custom minigun in .22 lr that fed from an over head bin, he said he got the idea from the case feeder on a dillion press. His demo was a De/act model that would feed and eject perfectly. He had a coffee can that caught the ejected rounds and would hand crank the action around and the ammo would just run like water thru the gun. I think he was waiting for Fed approval on the hand cranked model and had the powered version up for LE sales. But I never heard or saw him again. He was claiming in excess of 1200 rounds per minute in handcranked mode and motorised was up near 4000 rpm.

more likely fun gun, a mini uzi with a can or a mp5spd

real world battle rifle. g-3 or HK 21 full auto is only there to keep heads down. semi is there to make good shots.