Future of gun control?

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A few of the threads lately about lesser of two evils got me to thinking. Unless you believe that the future holds nothing in store but ever more gun control laws, it makes no sense for a one issue voter to vote for a candidate that only promises less restrictive laws than his opponent. I think the only exception would be if you see some long range plan to accept losses now in return for a guarantee of future victories. So what do you see in the long term future as far as gun control goes? Less? More? New weapons that will make current ones irrelevant?

Feel free to refute the initial reasoning if you want, but please try and keep the thread about gun control, not who to vote for.
 
One thing for sure, no matter what gun control will still be pushed.

-Bill
 
This ugly snake will keep raising its head in different forms.

If you have a CCW and purchase guns from gun stores you are participating in your demise.

It will not get better but worse.

We are already at the point of justifing to the sheeple why we have guns. We have been placed on the defense until we are defeated and we will be defeated until we say "hell not, enought is enought".

The governemnt also keeps chipping away at our other freedoms. Of course it is all under the Patriot Act which makes us all law biding citizens criminals.
 
What you do is buy time. After you do the best you can in one election, you redouble your efforts for the next one. You do the best you can in one session of Congress (or a state legislature) and then you redouble your efforts for the next one.

If you compare the last dozen or so years with the misery of the GCA '68 era, the political climate is better now than then.

You can't get Good Times all at once, so you take what you can get and keep on working.

That's what the Grabbers have done, and it's worked fairly well for them until "our side" got off its duff and didn't just leave it to the NRA.

Yeah, I'll take the lesser of two weevils...

Art
 
Incrementalism can work both ways.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until it sinks in. Right now the momentum seems to have shifted, and this kind of thing will build on itself, but only if we keep pushing.

How do you think the antis turned a country of armed citizens into one of dependents anyway? They pushed on every front, and took their victories where they could find them. We must do the same.

Every state that allows CCW is a win. Every state that gives reciprocity to another is a win. Every municipality that abolishes a single restriction is a win. (I've noticed that much of our efforts seem to ignore the city or county level, at least from what I hear. I could be wrong; but if not, we're letting ourselves get sideswiped.) And so on, and so forth.

For the long term, the key is education. Either we have to get more non-socialist citizens on school boards, or we have to undermine the public school system, or both.
 
Look at the public mood with regard to guns in the 1980's and 1990's. Guns were the root of all problems, and the simple fix was to ban.

The Clinton EBR ban looks like it's going to die with a whimper.

In the 1980's, there were just a handful of shall-issue states. We now have, depending upon your defintion of "shall issue," 37 states, with only four more "no-issue" states to go.

The number of new shooters entering our ranks via Sporting Clays and Cowboy Action shooting is growing.

The NRA has been more steadfast and more determined than I've ever seen them before.

Unless the country elects Kerry, and caves into a whole wagonload of liberal bull feathers, I'm really optimistic about the future of gun ownership.

Here's the kicker, though. We're seeing a slight pause in the number of gang shootings, as the older generation is either in prison or dead, and the new generation is just honing its skills. Based on the level of barbarity show by some of the new generation of "gangstahs," we could see a backlash, with the public once again asking for placebos.

Our only solution, as it has been for decades, is to stay on top of the game. And that takes time, vigilance, and dedication.

You'd think that the anti's would just go away. But, just like Freddy Krueger, they keep popping up just when you think they're dead.
 
Leftist extremist so-called "gun control" is a lot like A.I.D.S.: you don't necessarily know you've got it right away, and you can hope your infection is of the mild, temporary type, but it's not.
 
Congratulations guys! I'm happy to see some optimism. I get so tired of "the AWB ban isn't going to sunset. If it does sunset, it will just be put right back in force." Etc.

Things have been getting better for several years now. The last time I felt really depressed about the future of gun ownership was with the Carter Administration. We've had a lot of positive changes since then. And we aren't going away.

Something I don't see mentioned a lot is the newfound power of groups on the internet. I used to know a few other guys that collected guns. Maybe one or two guys I might go hunting with. But the internet has changed all that. It has allowed a community to form. Not just here but across a whole variety of boards. People have found new friends and other people who share their interests. I think it will be MUCH harder in the future for the anti's to surprise us with anything. Now there are a whole bunch of serious gun people that don't feel isolated or "different" any more. They are much more likely to get involved.

Gregg
 
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One of the ways to help is when the AWB expires, go out and buy as many "evil" guns as possible. And give them to friends and family. There is strength in numbers. And it's fun too.:evil:
 
Those are some good answers guys. I didn't think of the gun control "pendulm" in my initial argument, but it seems as valid as any other option. I'll have to think about it some more. It's good to see some optimism.
 
Griz,

I see you are in Virginia. Isn't than another good example? Didn't I hear that Virginia was doing away with their "one gun a month" law?

Gregg
 
Gun control, or anti-gun legislation does/may not directly correlate to compliance. You cannot "disinvent" the firearm. The more stringent the gun control law, the lower the rate of compliance. Over a long period of time gun control legislation has an erosive effect on firearms possession, however. That is the reason to fight anti gun legislation tooth and nail.

The gungrabbers know they can't move quickly so they count on incrementalism. Is it working? Or are there more firearms in the hands of the American people today then there were 20, 30, 40 years ago? I think they're losing.
 
Gun-control is with us since the "easily concealable" wheel-lock appeared in the 1650's. It will be with us at least for the next 500 years.

There is nothing politicos fear more than an independent, armed citizenship.

It will stay this way as long as mankind will exist.
 
Tulsamal

The last time I felt really depressed about the future of gun ownership was with the Carter Administration.
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I'm no admirer of Jackass Cracker, but I don't seem to recall any gun control initiatives on his watch (he was too busy f'ing up our military and foreign policy, plus trying to decide who was going to play on the White House tennis court and battling killer swimming rabbits). What'd he do? And how could you have NOT been depressed after Brady and the AWB were passed?
 
Something I don't see mentioned a lot is the newfound power of groups on the internet. I used to know a few other guys that collected guns. Maybe one or two guys I might go hunting with. But the internet has changed all that. It has allowed a community to form. Not just here but across a whole variety of boards. People have found new friends and other people who share their interests. I think it will be MUCH harder in the future for the anti's to surprise us with anything. Now there are a whole bunch of serious gun people that don't feel isolated or "different" any more. They are much more likely to get involved.
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Excellent observation!

All you gotta do is look at some of the CSPAN play by plays here at THR and realize that this isn't my father's news source.
 
Gun control will be alive and well as long as this country keeps heading liberal, left, and Democrat. 50.1% of the population voting Democrat is all it takes to strip you 100% of your gun rights. I believe this country is now already there, and will be increasingly more so with each election.
 
Moving to state level?

I think the grabbers will move their efforts to state and local level activity.

When their 2,500 Mom March in DC failed miserably they came up with the Pink Bus idea, trying to get a grass roots movement fired up to save their butts.

If this is looked at as a chess game they blew it three moves ago. While they chose to fight federal level battles for overall bans, the states went their own way (with a lot of nudging from all of us) to shall issue.

But their local MMM Meet Ups have been a dismal failure too, so I don't see a lot of activity there either.

I think they may have played out their string and like a bad '70's hair band are now lingering well past when they should have found a new job andf gotten real haircuts.

Gun Control = Flock of Seagulls ? Embarassingly out of date and makes you cringe when you think about buying their stuff.
 
For the long term, and not just for guns, the future will have more control...period. When things get to the point where population and resource management become matters of the "public good" or national security, freedom becomes an obsolete luxury.

Every year our infrastructure gets stretched farther toward the breaking point, allowing less and less latitude for individuality. Look at the increase in the 20th century in zoning laws, traffic laws, energy and natural resource conservation mandates, etc. Look at how our systems have reached the point where a handful of fanatics with boxcutters can kill 3500 people in a matter of hours.

We can and do fight small battles to preserve our traditional freedoms, and sometimes we win small concessions; but as long as population and pressure on resources keeps increasing, we're just trying to hold back the tide with shovels and buckets.

Nonq
 
/thread-drift/

I think the pressure on resources is about to let up soon, we're within 10 years of feasible renewable energy systems. That may help calm down some of the hysterical people (not likely, but it would be nice).

/thread-drift/
 
Watch for increasingly restrictive laws on local (poor Californians!) as well as national level, as "Safety" measures. Watch for a variety of exorbitant fees and licenses, including exorbitant taxes and restrictions on ammunition and component purchases...

I expect future gun restriction activity will follow Canada's lead...there you cannot possess, borrow, or use a firearm...rifle or shotgun...unless you first take a government-approved and monitored several week safety course, costing upwards of $50, which many people fail. When you pass it, you take the certificate to your friendly local police chief and fill out a three-page firearms possession card application, in triplicate (yes, they still use carbons!), explaining why you feel the need to use a firearm and listing three prominent politicians as references...family members won't do. The police will then investigate, including having uniformed police visit your home and ask your family members and neighbors if it is OK with them if you have a firearm. One "No!" and the process ends...no firearm. If you pass, the police chief endorses your application and mails it to the government, which will within six months mail you a "Firearms Acquisition Certificate". Then and only then are you allowed to borrow, use, or possess a firearm. (Yes, I still have mine! Went through the process while working temporarily in Calgary...something you REALLY don't want to do, regardless of how beautiful the scenery is, and how nice the Canadians are! Taxes on Americans are incredible!)

I understand that now one has to have this FAC in order to purchase ammunition of any type. You must have the card...plus a $10 Wildlife Support Card!...before you can buy a $35 deer hunting license, which is good for one aniimal. Want more animals, buy additional hunting licenses. Elk and bear licenses are much more expensive.

A father cannot leave a firearm to a child in his will unless the child has a FAC. Otherwise the firearm is confiscated and destroyed without compensation.

By law unloaded firearms must be kept under lock and key, with ammunition stored separately in other locked cases. Expect your friendly police to occasionaly drop by your home to check...violate it, and the gun(s) is confiscated without compensation.

Pistols? The above is just the start! Additional fees, process, and stringent restrictions make pistol possession unfeasible for most Canadians. It is illegal to hunt with any pistol. .25 and .32 cal. pistols are every bit as illegal as full machineguns.

...all under the banner of "Safety"... It is interesting to note that Canadians did not vote for these laws...it was done under edict of the Prime Minister. Aren't we lucky to live in the U.S.?:D
 
Gun control will continue to happen in the USA.

But, take note of the gun control we've seen implemented in Canada. Many people in western Canada refused to go along with registering their guns. Their system is collapsing under it's own cost and ineffectiveness.

Enough said.
 
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