David E
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No, it's not beneficial.
Why?
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ALWAYS CHAMBER A ROUND....
And you won't know that until the last sound you hear is a deafening "click"
G19 first range trip and noticed something interesting...
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No, it's not beneficial.
Why?
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ALWAYS CHAMBER A ROUND....
And you won't know that until the last sound you hear is a deafening "click"
David E
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Except that's not what happens. The slide is locked OPEN. How can the "top round bump the slide up" when it doesn't even contact it?
Inebriated
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I train to rack the slide with my hand after every reload. If the slide goes home unintentionally, it doesn't matter. It's just reaction to rack the slide, and will tell you 100% that there's a round in the chamber.
I would suggest doing the same, if you're worried about it not stripping off a round.
I would suggest doing the same, if you're worried about it not stripping off a round.
Der Stro
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I just double checked with my G23, upon really slamming a magazine home the slide lock did disengage, sending a round into battery. Mine is relatively new though (sub 1k rounds) so your slide lock may be slightly worn down.
I'm also in the "It's normal" crowd unless gentle reloading releases the slide.
I'm also in the "It's normal" crowd unless gentle reloading releases the slide.
It's a normal condition for a Glock and there is nothing you can do about it with factory stock parts. A new Glock will do it, an old Glock will do it. It's a transfer of momentum to the small slide-lock, causing it to be jarred free of the notch in the slide.
You can argue whether or not this is advantageous all day. You cannot argue that it is a defect/trait unique to the OP's specific gun.
You can argue whether or not this is advantageous all day. You cannot argue that it is a defect/trait unique to the OP's specific gun.
I noticed that one too happening with my Norinco 54 -1 Tokarev pistol. It doesnt take much to let the slide move forward and getting into battery. It kind of scares me , it s good i always put my trigger finger on the side. Yeah, keep that finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard ! Very very important . Alway s point in a safe direction.
mingansr
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Jackpinesavages, this is your friend from the XD post that got a little heated. Peace!
i just clicked on that URL you posted in the early part of this thread. Are you a Wisconsite as i am? Cool. Free class? my brother needs to get his CC permit. but he's drained his IRA more than i have. just took him, his young son, and his wife to the range today to get his 12 yr old son to shoot dad's new pistol, and to see if he can handle the .30/06 as easy as my son's .270. kids got balls, and he wants dad to get him the /06 (read = drain the IRA some more, dad) so i saved the url you posted as a favorite and will call him tomorrow with the good news. thanks j..p..s
ok, guys you can get back to the discussion at hand. i don't know how to personal message anyone on this site. sorry for the interruption.
i just clicked on that URL you posted in the early part of this thread. Are you a Wisconsite as i am? Cool. Free class? my brother needs to get his CC permit. but he's drained his IRA more than i have. just took him, his young son, and his wife to the range today to get his 12 yr old son to shoot dad's new pistol, and to see if he can handle the .30/06 as easy as my son's .270. kids got balls, and he wants dad to get him the /06 (read = drain the IRA some more, dad) so i saved the url you posted as a favorite and will call him tomorrow with the good news. thanks j..p..s
ok, guys you can get back to the discussion at hand. i don't know how to personal message anyone on this site. sorry for the interruption.
mingansr
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after my little aside, i went back and read the posts, curious as to what's going on. i never shot a Glock. i have an XD 40sw, and the slide release button sticks way in the slide slot for it. and when i want to release slide, i have to press down on the lever with force. i don't think i will ever be able to release the slide with a jam of the mag into pistol, but next time i'm at the gun club, i'm gonna try to. i could be wrong, but i don't think it will. to my way of thinking, i don't want anything to accidentally happen, unless it's a planned action for a given pistol, and then, the owner's manual should state the result of the slam. just IMO
Hopefully the thing never slam fires on you. I would hate to have the muzzle pointed in the wrong direction and have it go off because of a mag insert. I know they are rare, but anything mechanical can malfunction (even a Glock). Slapping the butt stock of an AR can send the bolt forward too. It wasn't designed to do that, but it can happen.
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It's normal. It is actually a technique often taught and used in competition. Slamming the mag in hard and not slapping the bottom of the mag squarely, but at a slight angle will cause this. Glocks, M9's, HK's, and XD's are good at this. 1911's are not.
BUT, it's supposed to happen on purpose, not on accident. Maybe you could use a fresh slide lock lever and spring. Make sure you have good fresh mags as well. Older mags may have updated springs which can make the mag a bit too stiff when fully loaded. I have a few old used 15 round G22 mags that only hold 14. But my fresher mags hold 15 with no problems.
BUT, it's supposed to happen on purpose, not on accident. Maybe you could use a fresh slide lock lever and spring. Make sure you have good fresh mags as well. Older mags may have updated springs which can make the mag a bit too stiff when fully loaded. I have a few old used 15 round G22 mags that only hold 14. But my fresher mags hold 15 with no problems.
ForumSurfer
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I should have mentioned, but tapping the mag at the heel causes this to happen predictably. Square up your palm in the center of the mag to not do it.
It does on a glock. The slide slamming shut doesn't happen until the mag is fully seated.
I've done it a few thousand times and in practicing and in competition. I can't speak for other makes.
It does on a glock. The slide slamming shut doesn't happen until the mag is fully seated.
I've done it a few thousand times and in practicing and in competition. I can't speak for other makes.
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It's a terrible flaw. All these M&P's, XD's, XDM's and glocks will all fail tomorrow.
On the glock, it doesn't do this until it hits the mag stop. The way the gun operates means that it can't close early until it hits that stop...so it has to load a round. I've done it 100's and 100's of times.
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i'm sure you guys are right
i've had plenty of glocks to release the slide and always had a round chambered.
I'm not so sure everyone on these threads shoot or own a firearm.
i've had plenty of glocks to release the slide and always had a round chambered.
I'm not so sure everyone on these threads shoot or own a firearm.
1SOW said:
Maybe for many GLOCKS but I have eight SIGs and seven 1911s and the slide won't automatically release with a hard insertion of the magazine with any of them. I shot an XD, M&P and Remington 1911 at work (same time I shot the G21) and was inserting magazines just as hard and none of the slides automatically released on those pistols. I've shot two other XDs, a bunch of GLOCKS, a bunch of other 1911s, a bunch of other SIGs and have never had the slide automatically release during a magazine insertion. This G21 was the only time I've experienced it.
I just tried it with a G17. Slide locked back, full magazine inserted FIRMLY. Yes, it chambers a round by itself. I was not aware that it did this. I don't normally insert the mag that firmly with the slide locked back because it isn't necessary. Yes when the slide is forward I insert and give it a little tap to seat it.
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+1 jon86
With my Glock 22 it is much more difficult to get a completely full mag to seat fully than a mag that's one short unless the slide is locked back. It's simply a matter of all that spring tension resisting the topmost round getting seated into the action.
I've never had it go by itself into battery when seating a full mag, but then, with the slide locked back, it is quite easy to seat the next mag--no slap or bump required. I suppose if I rammed the mag home hard enough I might be able to get the slide to auto release.
With my Glock 22 it is much more difficult to get a completely full mag to seat fully than a mag that's one short unless the slide is locked back. It's simply a matter of all that spring tension resisting the topmost round getting seated into the action.
I've never had it go by itself into battery when seating a full mag, but then, with the slide locked back, it is quite easy to seat the next mag--no slap or bump required. I suppose if I rammed the mag home hard enough I might be able to get the slide to auto release.
Zerodefect
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Mine only deos it when I want it to. It takes a pretty firm hit.
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