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[Edventures]

I am in a big box store seeing pointed bullets for my lever 30 30.
This goes against evrything I have been taught ,and my common sence.
ok the question, anyone have any experence with a gang fire,
or shot pointed ammo in a tube mag?
and lastly is there that much of an advantage over round nose bullets?
In my personal case I shoot 170 gr corlokt remmys out of a marlin 336, at ranges bordering 75 yards sometimes out to a hundred but shorter close shots are the norm. This is woods and brush and cedar swamp hunting northern Mi.

 

[Owen]

Edventures, if this is the leverlution ammo, the pointed tips are a very soft rubber, and won't cause a chain fire in your magazine.

 

[Edventures]

Ok I read the ad copy from hornady, premature posting on my part.
It still goes against everything I beleive to be safe in a tube mag.

 

[PedalBiker]

Just for curiosity sake, has the magazine tube firing ever happened? I have to wonder if a lead spitzer would be able to fire a primer. I can see a copper jacket FMJ, but even a polycarbonate tip would be sort of soft.

When I had a 30-30 I used to load spitzer bullets all the time. I'd load 2, one in the chamber and one in the magazine.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Just for curiosity sake, has the magazine tube firing ever happened?

There was an article on this in either Handloader or Rifle Magazine. The author made up magazine tubes, and had a fixture that allowed him to fire the first round in the magazine (the one nearest the breech.) He was unable to get a chain fire, and damage to the tube was minimal.

Nevertheless, he advised against using pointed bullets, or small flat noses.

 

[P5 Guy]

Just load two rounds?

 

[Redlg155]

The short answer is if you aren't comfortable, don't give them a second thought. I can say that I use these almost exclusively in my 45-70 without a problem.

The bonus is that I've had bolt acion guns that weren't as accurate as my Marlin with Hornady ammo.

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

There was an article on this in either Handloader or Rifle Magazine. The author made up magazine tubes, and had a fixture that allowed him to fire the first round in the magazine (the one nearest the breech.) He was unable to get a chain fire, and damage to the tube was minimal.

Nevertheless, he advised against using pointed bullets, or small flat noses.

There have been numerous incidents of ammo firing in the magazines of replica 1860 Henry rifles. One is advised to NEVER drop the ammo straight down the magazine, always hold the gun at a slight angle and allow the ammo to trickle down the tube, and ALWAYS maintain firm control of the spring loaded follower. Loosing one's grip on it and allowing it to slam down on the column of ammo in the tube is an excellent way to set off the entire stack of ammo. Yes, it has happened. The follower spring imparts much more energy to the column of ammo in the tube than simple recoil does. Even with Round Nosed Flat Point bullets, there have been magazine tube explosions with the entire stack of ammo going off. The magazine usually splits open at the slot where the follower tab rides. Sometimes they can be repaired, sometimes not.

 

[back40]

at ranges of less than 100 yds i don't see the hornady leverevolution ammo doing anything that the rem 170gr corelokt can't do. if the corelokts shoot well out of your 336 (they sure do in mine), stick with what works.

 

[USAF_Vet]

Don't trust it? Don't buy it. Problem solved.

 

[LAGS]

I have often loaded a 336 with a mixed bag of ammo.
Round Nose in the Magazine and a pointed bullet in the chamber.
I dont know why, but it just made me want to make that first shot count.

 

[Coyote3855]

I witnessed one of those replica Henry chain fires at a Cowboy Action Match. It happened when the shooter had finished loading and let down the follower. He claimed he didn't allow it to drop, but? Three rounds discharged and the magazine tube split as Driftwood describes. He was using his own reloads so there was some speculation that a high primer may have contributed to the incident. The shooter had minor injuries. The rifle was repaired, but never used again.

 

[SwissArmyDad]

Normal spitzer: Load one in chamber, one in mag tube
Hornady LeverEvolution: Not an issue, load her up to capacity.

 

[HOOfan_1]

Marlin has developed guns specifically designed for using the Leverevolution bullets.

.308 Marlin Express and .338 Marlin express.

 

[Lloyd Smale]

agree with the others. Anything that can be done with a 3030 can be done with corelocks

 

[Malamute]

I agree with Lloyd and others

. The advantage of the leverevolution ammo isn't nearly as great when the sight height, zero distance, and a better BC bullet (as most are, especially the Speers) than the Hornady 170 gr flat point is used for comparison. Its a gain, just not as much as their ad copy suggests.

 

[Red October]

I have also used the Hornady LeverEvolution in my Marlin .45-70 with no issues.

 

[BCRider]

Last year we had a tube fire incident with an 1873 clone while being used in a stage. It set off something like 3 or 4 of the rounds still in the tube. It didn't happen until two or three shots had gone downrange.

Lots of speculation on the cause but no concrete answers.

Fortunately the lady shooting the rifle at the time was not hurt other than some minor bruising. She has a long history with the cowboy action shooting and took it all in stride and was back in fine form the very next month.

The rifle required a new magazine tube, spring and follower but it is also back in service now.

Ammo used was light cowboy action .38Spl loaded with 130gn LRNFP bullets. Not sure what primers the loads used. But CCI is very popular around here so I'd guess that was the brand.

 

[Virgil47]

If you shoot a Savage 99 with it's rotary magazine pointed bullets are not a problem.

 

[rodregier]

Or a BLR which feeds from a detachable box magazine and is chambered for rimless cartridges

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Ammo used was light cowboy action .38Spl loaded with 130gn LRNFP bullets.

I'll go out on a limb here and speculate the flat point was slightly smaller than the diameter of the primer.