22 centerfires for deer. A personal experiance

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For years people have tried to legitimate 22 centerfires for deer. There are also plenty of people that say they are completely inadequate. This is one person's personal experience with this.
For a long time the people who said that the 22 centerfires were inadequate for deer were mostly right. Most of the bullets available were lightweight high velocity varmint bullets designed for explosive expansion and fragmentation. People found out the hard way that these bullets were not suited for big game. In the case of the 223 Remington, the other commonly available round was the FMJ which gave narrow wound channels, sparatic expansion and fragmentaion and generally poor performance on game as well.
Recently, bullet manufacturers listened to the small bore shooters out there and began to develop 22 caliber versions of their popular big game bullets. For Nostler, it was the 60 grain Partition. For Swift, it was the 75 grain Scirocco, For Barnes, it was the 45, 50, 53, 55, 62, and 70 grain TSX and from Winchester, it was the 64 grain Powerpoint. There may be others but these are the ones that come to mind when one is looking for a big game 22 caliber bullet.
My first experience with the 22 caliber centerfires on big game was on a whitetail deer hunt in Tennessee about a year ago. I had recently come across an excellent deal on a new Winchester model 70 coyote with a heavy barrel and a laminate stock, chambered in 223WSSM. Since the only ammo was currently being made by Winchester, I decided to give the 64 grain Powerpoint on an upcoming whitetail deer hunt in Tennessee. There were plenty of critics of the round but the folks that personally used it, loved it. That rifle was fitted with a Leopold 4-12x40 scope and was shooting 3/4 inch groups at 100 yards with the 64 grainers. Plenty accurate for deer. Fast forward a couple weeks to the day of the hunt. A small 6 pointer stepped out broadside a touch over 200 yards away. I was steady as a rock and put the bullet right through the heart, and lungs. The deer did the classic buck kick, ran about 30 feet and crashed violently in the woods. Upon dressing the deer, I discovered the bullet lodged in the skin on the far side in a perfect mushroom. I still have the bullet. Deer dressed out at 120 lbs. Afterwards I did take note that because there was no exit wound, blood trail was almost non existent. Although it wasn't needed. It became apparent that while the 64 grain Powerpoint may be fine for 223 or 22-250 velocities, it may over expand and give less than ideal penetration if the shot angle isn't perfect at 223WSSM or 220 Swift velocities.
At that point I began looking for a new bullet and many recommended the Barnes TSX bullets but since I didn't hand load at the time I was stuck with the limited factory loadings. Over the winter my hours were cut and unfortunately I had to sell that beautiful model 70 to make ends meet. Fast forward almost a year and I had just purchased a Savage Edge in 223 Remington. I fitted a EGW one piece picatinny rail and a Nikon 3-9x40 BDC scope. Encouraged by last years success and the now huge list of available bullet combinations, I decided to use the new 223 on deer for the Tennessee hunt again. Since my rifle had a 1-9 twist, it should stabilize the 62 grain Barnes TSX bullet, a now well known deer slayer. I ordered a box of CorBon's Hunter DPX ammo to try CorBon Lists the velocity of the 62 grain TSX load at 2850 fps out of a 16 inch barrel so out of my 22 inch tube, I should be looking at about 3,000 fps. Range results were promising as the bullets consistently printed inside the one inch mark at 100 yards.
Fast forward to yesterday, November 27th, the day of the hunt. I was hunting from the same spot as last year. Wouldn't you know it, a deer stepped out right about the same point the deer did the previous year. It began walking towards me down a power line trail and eventually turned broadside at 100 yards. I gave a little bleat to stop him, and as soon as he stopped, I fired. Upon the shot, he jumped, and walked about 30 feet. I was thinking "did I miss? How? I was perfect on it!" Right about that point however, he simply fell over dead. Not even a single kick. This time the 62 grain Barnes TSX exited leaving a 1 inch wide exit hole after going through a rib going in, turning the heart and lungs to jelly, and another rib on the way out, leaving a blood trail Ray Charles could have followed with his cane. Again, trailing was not needed though. This deer was the same size as last years, about 120 lbs dressed, but busted his horns off about 6 inches up. Not a trophy by any means but it's meat in the freezer. I was hoping to get some ribs out of this deer but upon skinning I discovered that even with this measly little 223, the meat was all bloodshot and pulverized for a foot around the bullet hole. Allas, no ribs this time.
From these 2 personal experiences, I can definitely say with absolutely no doubt in my mind, that the 22 centerfires are adequate for deer sized game. While there are other calibers out there what would be more suited for many people, I have found that with proper bullet construction, good shot placement and shooting discipline, these calibers are certainly more than capable. I can honestly say that these little high velocity pills do more internal damage than my 20 gauge. After all a 223 through the boiler room is far more effective than a 30-06 in the pouch.
The deer bellow, is the one I shot yesterday with the Savage Edge 223 and the 62 grain TSX load.
 

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My buddy got a Stevens 308 in a raffle last year and he dropped one last year in New York. Each to his own I guess. I Prefer a low recoiling weapon system that I can place the projectile exactly where I want it. Accuracy above all else. That's why I've always liked the 20 gauge as opposed to the 12 for the New York shotgun season, and for the rifle hunts I do in Tennessee, the 223 does just fine. I have a 30-06 that I hardly ever use anymore since I've started shooting the 223. In Tennessee I hunt mostly open country and some woods. For someone who hunts dense woods, a 30-30, shotgun, or another weapon with more punch would probably be much better. Like I said, there are much better calibers out there. It takes precise shot placement, shooting discipline, bullet construction, and above all practice for the 22's to be effective, but for my hunting situations, they have performed flawlessly.
 
I just find head and neck shots too iffy. It's either clean kill or wounded deer. With the 62 grain Barnes TSX bullet out of my 223, It should have no trouble at all penetrating the vitals while still giving proper expansion from just about any angle. I have really been impressed with the Barnes bullets regardless of caliber. While they may be a bit fussy when it comes to twist rate and seating depth, If your gun shoots them accurately go for it.
 
The group of guys I hunt with all use 22cals. A few 223s but mainly 22-250 or 220swift guns. But these are guys who commonly make neck shots at 400+ yards with guns that most of use would consider target guns that are to heavy to take hunting. If the gun and shooter are up to the task then a longer head shot is no problem, but its not for everyone, myself included. But ive shot my buddies 220 and I can put 5 shots into a dime size hole at 100yards, and having that much accuracy plus the speed of a 220 is a huge confidence booster when taking head shots at longer range. But for me personally having to abid by Indiana deer laws I just shoot center of mass with a 12ga sabot, and I have yet to practice my tracking skills (or lack thereof).
 
After reading a hundred of the "is the XXX caliber appropriate for deer" threads, I look at things as the .22 diameter bullet and a .223 cartridge is adequate for deer. What concerns more peoples is the shooters lack of margin for error when it comes to the shot. On that note, good shooting and thanks for the info:D
 
I have seen a coupe of deer shot with a 22.250 and the 53 grain TSX. Makes one heck of a mess inside the deer. I would not hesitate to use a 22 centerfire on deer sized game with the bullets available today.
 
My point exactly. This isn't for everyone, but if the bullet right and the shooter is up to the task it can be just as effective as any other caliber. Dead is dead. A 223 in the heart is far more effective than a 30-06 in the pouch. I heard about some rich guy who went to Africa to hunt. He brought along a very nice 9.3mm mauser but he was so afraid of the recoil, that he could barely hit a paper plate at 30 yards. He borrowed a 222 from someone else in the camp and well, 2 shots latter 2 dead antelope.
 
Everyone knows that the head shot or the neck shot will drop the animal if the shot is perfect and that has generally been the classic spot for these small bores. I wanted to get away from that and prove they are just as lethal as larger calibers with the right bullet with the traditional shoulder shot. That being said, the margin for error is less. The shooter must be not only capable of placing the shot were it needs to be off the bench, but prone, sitting, kneeling, off a rest or standing or any other position one might find themselves in, in the field. That being said the 62g TSX made one heck of a mess to the inside of that deer. Heart, jelly. Lungs, jelly. Ribs, broken. Personally I think it did more damage than my 20ga slug gun and that bullet would probably go through a redwood and kill Sasquatch on the other side.
 
I kill large hogs and deer reglar with my .22-250, drop em in their tracks. I have no problem putting a bullet behnd a pigs ear at 300 yards with any of my .22-250s, if you dont feel comfortable in your marksmanship, then dont use one. I kill large hogs with my .17hmr at 100 yards no problem, I shoot pigs every day in my pastures so I aint worried bout them running off..but like I said I shoot amost evry day, some people dont have that opportunity.
 
I have seen a coupe of deer shot with a 22.250 and the 53 grain TSX. Makes one heck of a mess inside the deer. I would not hesitate to use a 22 centerfire on deer sized game with the bullets available today.
Thats the point I am getting at. With todays bullets, one is no longer limited to head and neck shots with the small bores. I just think that there too little margin for error with head shots and you run the risk of blowing its mouth off if you pull the shot a little.
 
Shot placement has always trumped caliber. Bullet construction is secondary, but still important.

Many years ago I shot a deer with a Mini-14 and 50gr Remington Power-Lokt hollow point. (my first .22cf kill) A 1/10 twist and a frangible bullet had logical consequences. After 5 hits (only had a 5-shot magazine), the deer was still moving. Only one of the hits was marginal (#4 into liver), the lung/heart hits were just not penetrating through the shoulder, and neck hit failed to immobilize the deer. A final shot with a .357mag with 158gr Remington HP to the head sealed the deal, but soured me on the .22cf's for a while.

I later aquired a super accurate Remington M788 with a 4-12 Bushnell Banner with Adj Obj. I also started using Sierra 55gr and Hornady 55gr Soft Points, and results were stunning. With broad side or angling shots, 1" exit wounds were normal, and any CNS hits were instantly fatal.

Had you hit the deer with your .223WSM at greater range, the Winchester 64gr would have exited. I have shot deer with a .22-250 at over 300yds with the 55gr Remington and Sierra's, as well as the 63gr Sierra's. They have all penetrated leaving decent exit wounds and blood trails.

Percentage wise, I've lost more deer with the .243, .30/30,.30/06 and .35Rem, than with the .223, .22-250, and even the .22Hornet. If we include elk, I can include the .338/06! And Mule deer, the .257Roberts!

Again, shot placement, shot placement, shot placement.

Re: bullet construction.... I shot a 140lb dressed 8pt on the last day of the season last year with the .35Rem. Load was the Hornady 200gr FTX over a compressed load of H4895 for a chrono'd 2,275fps. Range was 27yds (measured-laser rangefinder) and deer was hit behind the left shoulder-broad side. Bullet "punctured" the heart, -entered on a rib and exited a rib. No blood trail ! I stumbled up on the deer on a bush-hogged property line 110yds from where I hit it. Another 10yds and I would have never found it till the vultures did. No bullet expansion, and I even barbequed the ribs, with the bullet holes! (this DOES NOT HAPPEN with Remington 200gr Corlokts or Sierra 200gr Prohunter) So, it's still..... shot placement, shot placement, shot placement.
 
It's hard to believe; 13 replies and so far not the usual "it's too risky" or "it's not fair to the animal" to use .224 caliber centerfires on deer. I've collected all three deer I've shot with .224 centerfires; two with a 22-250 and one with a 222. One of the deer taken with the 22-250 was 360 yards downrange and dropped where it stood.

Interestingly, there was a review on bullets for the 204 Ruger on MidwayUSA in which one guy giving feedback said he had used it with great success on Whitetail Deer and Mule Deer so truly it's not so much the size of the bullet as where it's placed.
 
From these 2 personal experiences, I can definitely say with absolutely no doubt in my mind, that the 22 centerfires are adequate for deer sized game. While there are other calibers out there what would be more suited for many people, I have found that with proper bullet construction, good shot placement and shooting discipline, these calibers are certainly more than capable. I can honestly say that these little high velocity pills do more internal damage than my 20 gauge. After all a 223 through the boiler room is far more effective than a 30-06 in the pouch.

I'll agree that the new bullets now available for the 223 have changed it's use on deer from irresponsibly reckless to just a bad idea. I don't want to use a caliber that's adequate for the game with "good shot placement and shooting discipline", i.e. they'll work OK if everything goes well. While I am a BIG fan of good shot placement and shooting discipline, I want a caliber that will drop the game, with a nice big entrance wound and a bigger exit wound, even if everything doesn't go perfectly. Because sometimes it doesn't, no matter how much effort you put in.

After all a 223 through the boiler room is far more effective than a 30-06 in the pouch.

What a tired cliche. These are not the only two alternatives. I much prefer the alternative left out, a 30-06 in the boiler room.
 
There's no doubt that the R&D that has been put into the .22 bullets has made a big difference as to a wider range of utility.

What doesn't get brought into these discussions, seems like, is the comparative self-discipline among hunters. From reading many and many a post, these last dozen years, some folks just gotta take the shot. Others will pass what seems to them to be an uncertain shot, given the particular cartridge.

And, yakking here at this forum, I pretty much figure that all of us are maybe more serious about shooting practice and self-control during the hunt than the casual Joe Dokes sort of hunter. Ol' Joe maybe shouldn't use the Small Stuff.

As usual, there ain't no one size fits all...
 
What doesn't get brought into these discussions, seems like, is the comparative self-discipline among hunters. From reading many and many a post, these last dozen years, some folks just gotta take the shot. Others will pass what seems to them to be an uncertain shot, given the particular cartridge.

Good point. I like good shot placement, restraint in taking risky shots AND using a suitable cartridge. What I don't understand is the seeming obsession so many people have with using the smallest cartridge possible. My approach is to make the hunting hard so that the shooting is as easy as it can possibly be. There's lots of things that can go wrong on a hunt, but the one thing you have complete control over is using an appropriate cartridge for the game, not the smallest one you can get away with.
 
.... And folks used to say the .25 caliber bullet used in the .250 Savage was too small. My grandpa used one for years, only firearm he ever had, he'd taken elk as well as deer with that rifle using the 87 grain bullet. Head shots, or neck shots were the "ordinary" for him, he really knew how that rifle shot.
 
Normally I use a 243, 7-08Imp, or 300 WM for whitetails depending on the area hunted.

This year I have had shoulder surgery and had to be careful about the recoil. I have thought about using my 223 Tikka for deer and figured why not, the area I was going to hunt would have 30-100 yd shots at whitetail does. I loaded up some 60 gr Partitions and went out. Doe came in at 55 yards, 1 shot to the neck, DRT.

While I don't consider the 223 to be a long range deer caliber, for the ranges I was going to have it did just fine.

FWIW
 
I do not think that someone new to hunting needs to be using a .22 cal anything to hunt deer with, and I feel the same way about a .357 mag. Are there people that can cleanly take deer with such small calibers...yes. Should you try it? If you have to ask the anwser is absolutly no. There is no margin of error with somthing that small, and having been around alot of hunters for alot of years I would say that 80-90% do not have the level of skill to hunt with anything that small. They are either not picky enough with their shot, or just not a good enough shot under feild conditions. I firmly beleive in a 50% overkill margin. I like Chuck Hawks Lethality index for refrence.
The .22-250 is the absolute minimum for large deer with perfect shot placement, step up 50% in lethality and the closest thing is the .243/257 Roberts that is the recomended min for us mortals.
A .243 is about the absolute min for bull elk step up 50% in lethality and you have the the 6.5x55/7mm-08
A 6.5x55 is the bare min for large bull moose step up 50% in lethality and you have the 30-06/7mm Rem Mag as recomended minimums.
The 30-06 is the smallest anyone would want to use on large dangerous game like brown bear step up 50% and you are in the relm of the .338 Win mag/9.3x74.
Use a 50% margin of overkill and practice in feild conditions, and you will most likley never loose your kill. If you hunt where 300+yard shots are the norm step that up to 75-100% insted of 50% OK I have my flame suit on blaze away :)
 
I think next year Im going to try the .223 to take a deer! I dont have any doubt with the caliber if I do my part and put together the right bullet. My girlfriend only shoots a 22-250 and Im sorry to say it guys but I can guarantee you she has shot a lot bigger deer in her 21 years of life than a lot of us ever will. Either way she claims she has not pulled the trigger and not had them drop right there. She has made some pretty iffy shots but every deer seems to be DRT. Is she lucky? Maybe? But I figure if i can kill them with the bow I sures the hell can kill them with any rifle. Some of you may claim there not big enough but i wont have any problem using it.
 
I prefer larger Cal.'s too but I have a mashed up shoulder. That and since switching to one in the army I've liked shooting the AR. It gave me a more accurate option over an AK
for low recoil and was much lighter to carry as well as handles better. Not for everyone but don't forget It's a free country. I have and will defend every American's right to do any dumb thing they want to.
 
ive shot armadillos and possums with a .22 in the head and it not die. cant see risking it with a deer. most deer i see from my stand are 150 plus yards
 
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