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Get it re-appraised! An original gas-trap will bring three times that today, and maybe more.
Garand value: would it be fair to say that pretty much any WWII era garand...
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Get it re-appraised! An original gas-trap will bring three times that today, and maybe more.
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Musher, thank you very much. 
Now I'm (justifiably) paranoid.
Can someone with better reading comprehension skills than I please tell me if the receivers and drawing numbers match up correctly on these? If I can get a difinitive answer I promise I won't bother you garand guys again for a while.
Receiver:
U.S. Rifle
CAL 30 M1
SPRINGFIELD ARMORY
10041XX
Front right of receiver under op-rod:
D 28291-17
Receiver:
U.S. Rifle
CAL 30 M1
SPRINGFIELD ARMORY
30156XX
Front right of receiver under op-rod handle:
D 28291 34
Now I'm (justifiably) paranoid. Can someone with better reading comprehension skills than I please tell me if the receivers and drawing numbers match up correctly on these? If I can get a difinitive answer I promise I won't bother you garand guys again for a while.
Receiver:
U.S. Rifle
CAL 30 M1
SPRINGFIELD ARMORY
10041XX
Front right of receiver under op-rod:
D 28291-17
Receiver:
U.S. Rifle
CAL 30 M1
SPRINGFIELD ARMORY
30156XX
Front right of receiver under op-rod handle:
D 28291 34
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My understanding from following the CMP forum is that the drawing numbers on various parts have nothing to do with the serial number on the receiver, i.e., they won't and aren't supposed to match.
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Here is a good explanation of drawing numbers. It looks like can tell if some parts were made postwar. Even if you determine your parts were not made after your rifle was built, it doesn't mean the parts in your rifle are the original parts it was made with or that they "match".
http://www.scott-duff.com/drawing_number.htm
http://www.scott-duff.com/drawing_number.htm
The drawing numbers wopuld be correct for a particular serial number range. For example trigger group 123456 would be correct for a Garand with serial number range 2,000,000 to 2,200,000. All the numbers on the parts would be correct for a serial number range but there would be no way of knowing if the gun left the factory with those parts unless someone actually took in out of the bag, box, or whatever it was shipped from the factory in.
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That was my understanding as well. So can someone point me to a source that has the proper serial number range for the receiver drawing numbers above? I just want to see if the drawing numbers for the receivers fall withing the seral number range (if they do, there's less chance they're re-welded).
Thanks!
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Well, the barrel would seem to be original to the receiver of the Garand, at least... 2 S A 7 44 indicates the barrel was built by Springfield in July of 1944, which is about the same time as the receiver was made, if I read the charts correctly.
I'd still like to know if the receiver drawing numbers match the serial number ranges, if possible. I haven't been able to find a chart on any of the sites mentioned that details which receiver drawing numbers match which serial ranges.
I'd still like to know if the receiver drawing numbers match the serial number ranges, if possible. I haven't been able to find a chart on any of the sites mentioned that details which receiver drawing numbers match which serial ranges.
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All I've been able to find so far is this excerpt from an old discussion:
http://www.shelfspace.com/~c-r-ffl/archives/199811/msg01246.html
in which the receiver drawing number D 28291-17 is stated to be the "expected drawing number and revision no." for a SA receiver buit in Dec. of 1942... my T-26 replica's receiver was built by SA in November 1942 so I imagine the drawing number/receiver serial range is correct, at least for that one.
Any info on the other drawing number/range?
http://www.shelfspace.com/~c-r-ffl/archives/199811/msg01246.html
in which the receiver drawing number D 28291-17 is stated to be the "expected drawing number and revision no." for a SA receiver buit in Dec. of 1942... my T-26 replica's receiver was built by SA in November 1942 so I imagine the drawing number/receiver serial range is correct, at least for that one.
Any info on the other drawing number/range?
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Found it, I think... just happend to get lucky with similar serial number/drawing numbers as others have queried.
http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=20001
http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=20001
http://scott-duff.com/
His Garand serial numbers and data sheets book has it all listed. It will give correct drawing numbers for serial number ranges for all parts. In some cases more than one drawing number may be correct.
He's considered one of the leading Garand experts and there are some entries in his book where he says he's not sure (which gives him more credibility in my book).
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I just want to see if the drawing numbers for the receivers fall withing the serial number range (if they do, there's less chance they're re-welded).
I was worried about this but if you look inside the receiver you can easily see where it's rewelded.
With the number of times some rifles have been rebuilt or parts swapped around in the barracks mismatched parts far from indicate a reweld. I have a SA I bought from CMP with a correct barrel, a H&R bolt, a Winchester trigger group, and drawing numbers on parts from 1943 to 1955. But the gun had been rebuilt and is almost new condition. As a shooter this doesn't matter to me.
His Garand serial numbers and data sheets book has it all listed. It will give correct drawing numbers for serial number ranges for all parts. In some cases more than one drawing number may be correct.
He's considered one of the leading Garand experts and there are some entries in his book where he says he's not sure (which gives him more credibility in my book).
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I just want to see if the drawing numbers for the receivers fall withing the serial number range (if they do, there's less chance they're re-welded).
I was worried about this but if you look inside the receiver you can easily see where it's rewelded.
With the number of times some rifles have been rebuilt or parts swapped around in the barracks mismatched parts far from indicate a reweld. I have a SA I bought from CMP with a correct barrel, a H&R bolt, a Winchester trigger group, and drawing numbers on parts from 1943 to 1955. But the gun had been rebuilt and is almost new condition. As a shooter this doesn't matter to me.
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Griz22, I realize mismatched parts don't indicate a re-weld, and I realize the bolts, op rods, trigger groups, etc. on my garands are all from parts bins and don't necessarily match up, nor would I expect them to unless they start selling Collector Grades at the CMP again.
However, the receiver drawing number (stamped on the front of the receiver itself) should match up with the serial number on the rear of the receiver, even on a "parts gun"... unless the front half of one (later or earlier) receiver has been welded to the rear half of another. That's what I was trying to discern. Sorry if I wasn't clear, and thanks a mil for the good info.
However, the receiver drawing number (stamped on the front of the receiver itself) should match up with the serial number on the rear of the receiver, even on a "parts gun"... unless the front half of one (later or earlier) receiver has been welded to the rear half of another. That's what I was trying to discern. Sorry if I wasn't clear, and thanks a mil for the good info.
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