Garand vs. AR

[wrxguyusa]

M1 garand might be better for hunting big game than the AR, but much worse than a cheaper bolt gun.

The AR15 is better for its flexibility and manueverability to quickly engage targets in close-quarters such as a civilian defense scenario. 30rnd magazines

AR10 or M1A would be my choices if I had to go for a bigger semi-auto.

 

[Matrix187]

... & yet imagine the enemy wearing flak & LBV full of loaded steel mags. How's your "stopping power" now? It might tickle a lil' bit, but...

Then you proceed to use your attached m203 and lob a 40mm grenade his way

 

[.308]

I voted garand because there's no option for an M1A. Although a garand is a very good rifle and can be had cheaply.

 

[notorious]

I never had a gun in 30-06, shot a few, never had one. Don't see a need for it because I already have a .308 bolt gun and two ARs. But... if I had one I wouldn't feel undergunned by any means and if I had 2 Garands instead of 2 ARs, I would say the same about not having a need for a 5.56.

It all boils down to personal preference and shot placement.

 

[Doc_Jude]

Then you proceed to use your attached m203 and lob a 40mm grenade his way

No, I don't... because I don't shoot .223

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Got to go with the AR-15. 20 and 30 (and more) rd. mags

Roughly equal accuracy.

Sites are about as good whether AR or M-1 Garand.

Granted, I'd love both.

Basically, you make it M-1A and this becomes a real argument, but we aren't talking about that. We are talking about a rifle with only 8 rounds, no top off, and very poor scoping characteristics.

vs.

A modern rifle, with high cap mags, better ergonomics, and more accessory potential.

 

[gunmaker2872]

id rather get shot in the shoulder by a 30 06 than a 223, why do you think they call the 223 the poison bullet? it may go in the shoulder but who know's where it will end up

 

[Kansan]

That's a good point, Gunmaker, especially concerning Zombies. If you use .223 and miss the head, it may fragment and end up in the head. For zombies, .223 = +1

 

[gunmaker2872]

Well said Kanson, zombies beware of my AR

 

[M&PVolk]

Amprecon wrote:

Why is it that fans of the .223 are always trying to convince everyone else how great and necessary the .223 is?
Why is it that this is not necessary from those that favor the .30-06?

Actually, I think you have it backwards. Fans of the .223 already know how great a round it is...the military backs that opinion up.

Fans of the 30-06, OTOH, seem to feel it necessary to bash the .223 as insufficient. I say it is just wounded feelings because the military has long since moved on from the 30-06 and they somehow feel they have to defend their pet caliber.

.223 guys just get tired of the internet commando and armchair ballistics experts continually stoking the rumormill with false info.

 

[notorious]

That's a good point, Gunmaker, especially concerning Zombies. If you use .223 and miss the head, it may fragment and end up in the head. For zombies, .223 = +1

Key point with zombies in a Class 3 or 4 outbreak is not outright power of the cartridge but that you can carry more rounds in a lighter rifle. Weight of cartridges and ease of portability of the rounds and rifle matter too.

As long as the .223 will go through the skull and take out the solanum infected brain, it's good enough.

I'd rather carry a 6 pound AR with 600 rounds in 20 loaded magazines than a 10 pound Garand with 400 rounds in 50 en bloc clips.

That's not denigrating the power or venerability of the Garand, but it's just a matter of practicality.

 

[chriso]

It's kind of like a guy with short man syndrom... haha... .223 is not bad but there is no argument that 30-06 is indeed a man stopper...

 

[missouri dave]

Depends on what I'm gonna do with it. For home defense neither one is my first choice. For outdoors CQB definately the AR but again other options would be preferred. For general purpose hunting/fighting my slightly modified garand tanker scout.

 

[notorious]

Yeah, shooting zombies is one thing, but good against Mutant Lobster Men, that's something else altogether.

Hey! I've got a great idea for a new thread!!!

Which would you rather have?
a) SPOON
b) FORK

Oh wait, that doesn't include those who want to talk about SPATULAS. Nevermind.

Mutant lobster men (MLM)? You mean like Zoidberg on Futurama? Now you're just getting a bit far from reality... now zombies... those things are real.

But for the sake of argument... I would take neither the fork nor spoon against the MLM... I would pick the claw cracker utensil and I would take them apart, shell by shell.

 

[chriso]

I would boil them first... and listen to them scream... haha...

 

[notorious]

Next poll:

Drawn butter v. cocktail sauce

 

[chriso]

What if you like both???

 

[notorious]

The tanker Garand and the jungle carbine are both very cool guns too.

 

[notorious]

You like them both equally? Not even like one by a fraction of a percent more?

 

[MT GUNNY]

Really Depends on the Use.
I Also would love to have a a Socom in Snow camo, it would instantly become my go to Coyote Rifle.
I voted AR , only to bring it more Even.

 

[ccsniper]

i have neither, but a friend has an AR, and another friend has a garand. i would rather have a garand.

 

[notorious]

Yes, the Socom II in snow camo... Springfield sucks... their new full color spread with that gun is psychological warfare against the consumer at its finest.

I'll be eating ramen for 3 months to save up for that gun.

 

[4v50 Gary]

AR is a more practical rifle. It can also be lighter - provided you don't put on all the do-dads and convert it into a crew fed weapon system.

 

[MT GUNNY]

http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=30

View attachment 90182 Snowcom II

 

[notorious]

I hate you... there goes the rest of the night browsing all the possible configurations for my next gun.