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Gasser revolver info needed.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by H_AMMER, Aug 30, 2011.

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  1. H_AMMER

    H_AMMER Member

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    The cylinder bores measure ~9.5mm.
    Is that 9mm Gasser?
    Any idea as to model # or DOB?
    Thanks!
     

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  2. Jim K

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    That revolver looks to belong to the general class called "Montenegrin revolvers", of which Gasser was a major maker.* (Many were also made in - where else? - Liege.) But the smallest cartridge identified with the Montenegrin revolvers is 10.8mm, too large for your revolver.

    The 9mm Austrian service cartridge (sometimes called the 9mm Gasser) had a bullet only about .362" (9.2mm) so a 9.5 mm cylinder bore would seem oversize. I can't really find any likely cartridge that would match that figure either. Maybe a chamber cast would help identify the cartridge.

    *The story is that King Nicholas First (and last) of Montenegro ("Black Mountain") ordered every male suibject to buy and carry a large calilber revolver. Reportedly His Majesty got a kickback on every revolver sold in the Kingdom. The 11.3mm is the most common of the class. After WWI, the country became part of Yugoslavia, but since 2006 has been an independent republic.

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  3. Jim Watson

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    A revolver of that appearance in Zhuk is said to be of Belgian manufacture even though with Austrian proofmarks. The real Gassers in that book have round barrels instead of the S&W knockoff rib.

    The big Montenegrin was the model of 1880 and this looks similar but smaller.
    The 1911 Alfa catalog shows 11.75 Montenegrins and 8mm Rast & Gassers but no guns or ammo in 9mm Gasser.
     
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    There is a Gasser-Kropatschek model 1876, cal. 9x26R (9mm Gasser). Here is a link with the cartridge dimensions - http://en.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/19807 They list bullet diameter of 9.47mm.

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  5. Jim K

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    That is the same cartridge I mentioned, except the dimensions differ a bit from those shown in White & Munhall, which gives a bullet diameter of .362"-.370". The difference is probably due to variance in specimens or different measurement techniques. It is probably the cartridge for which that revolver was made, but that cannot be confirmed with the available information.

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    It is most definitely a Belgian knock-off. If the OP has enough time he can search thru http://www.littlegun.be/. I would strongly suggest against any attempt to shoot this revolver. Even with black powder cartridges.

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  7. Jim K

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    OK, Mizar, I'll bite. The OP says it is a Gasser, it is marked Gasser, Vienna, and has Gasser's "S.MARK" (Schutzmark or trade mark). What makes you think it is a Belgian knock-off?

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    Mr. K, from my amateur point of view - it doesn't look like a real Gasser - at least I can't find any information about such a model, markings are poorly done and misplaced - the "s./chutz/ marke" and Gasser trademark must be on the frame, just behind the pivot bolt. It lacks proof marks (or OP didn't post picture of them). Belgian manufacturers were known for producing hundreds of Gasser-type revolvers (some of them with very good quality) and they often put fake Gasser markings on them.

    Boris
     
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