General Purpose Rifle?

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I would like a brand new, production rifle that would protect from black bear and lesser threats (and maybe for deer hunting too :D) . Something to keep around when tinkering in the woods.

Apparently the Mini-14 is available in 6.8mm Rem SPC.

What do you recommend?
 
Lever Action .44MAG

Holds ten rounds, fast follow-up shots, cheap to feed, easy to shoot, can get a wheelgun in same caliber for ammo commonality
 
Well...do you want an autoloader or a bolt gun? If you're worried about something as big as a bear, I'd go up to a .308 or a .30-06. Ammo availability beats 6.8 hands down anyway.

If you'd like a bolt gun, look at the Ruger Frontier rifle. Short, light, handy, packs a wallop.

If you want an autoloader...well, there are a few "sporting" autoloader rifles, but they tend to be expensive and finicky to maintain.

On the cheap, and auto-loading? Saiga .308 carbine. 16" barrel, overall length of about 36", weight of about seven pounds, 8+1 capacity. Costs less than $400 and will be every bit as accurate as a Mini-14. They make 'em in .223 and 7.62x39, too.
 
I think a semi-auto would allow for faster follow up shots, but if there is a fast way to cycle like a pump or a bolt that is quick, I suppose it would work fine.
 
I'll also put a vote toward a lever gun in .44mag. Hard to beat on a lot of levels. What would really be nice is if someone made Hi-cap magazines for the Ruger Deerfield automatic in .44! That would be awful handy...Like an M1 Carbine on steriods! Another thought here...I just bought a Yugo M70 Underfolder AK. It's awful nice to tote around, well built, cheap to shoot, relatively cheap to buy, and about as accurate as any Mini-14 I've ever fired, so that might fit your purposes too. I'm no expert, but I'd think 7.62x39 would be effective against black bear? Especially, 30 rounds of 7.62x39...

Ben
 
Tinkering around, protection, possibly deer hunting. Well, if you hunt in areas with close shots, I recommend:

A good ol' 30-30 lever action. (Marlin or Winchester)

1. Fairly cheap ammo
2. Decent distance
3. Very handy
4. Multiple rounds in tubular mag
5. Everyone should have atleast one.
6. Don't underestimate a 30-30 at ranges under 250 yards. It is a 30 cal.
 
Yeah, I would vote against 6.8, not until it becomes more available. I'd vote first for a Lever in .357 or up, but if youre looking for an auto loader, I wouldn't rule out a Mini or AR. Everyone here is going to flame me for saying it, but I don't think 223 is useless against black bear (any more so than .357). If there was ever an agressive black bear I wouldn't feel the least bit under gunned with my AR. A cheap carbine (AR) is all I ever bring to fool around in the woods. Deer hunting, not so much, buy a deer rifle.
 
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I'll second the lever action 30-30 suggestion. Mine is a stainless Marlin 336 scoped with a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40.
 
for a gen useage rifle i would say any bolt that suits you with a tube trimmed to 18 or 20 inches . go scout mount on a scope if you like , or irons if you like them . For myself it would be .30 cal tho , be it .308 , 3006 , or 7.62 russian . whee cal goes pay your ticket and bet on what you will allways be able to get .
 
Lever guns are popular in the woods for a reason. .44 holds a couple more in the tube and is a least as powerful as .30-30 inside 75 yards. Cheaper components and loaded ammo for plinking too. .45-70 is a good choice if you like more recoil.

Don't discount a 12 gauge with slugs if you like even more recoil.
 
I have an old Winchester Model 94 in 30.30, made in 1963 just for that knock around truck gun that can take on most things, (Deer, Boar, Elk, Black Bear, rabid dogs, injured animals and the such). It is short, lever action w/ quick follow up shots, very accuratd, iron sights no scope. I gave a boy $30.00 for it, I have been offered $120 for it. I DON'T Sell any Guns from my collection.
 
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Marlin 1894c

.38 's for fun

.375 for serious

Buffalo Bore ammo when you're really serious.
 
I shudder to think I may ever need to return to "one gun" status, but if I did it would be my 35 Whelen. It's proving to be a wonderful all around, general purpose utility round capable of taking anything I ever expect to hunt or need to protect myself from in the wild.
 
hmmmmm, fast way to shoot a pump gun, pull trigger and hold, and pump as fast as you can.

Even though I am a bolt gun addict I will have to go with a lever gun here, Probably a .357 or a .44 mag. Or a 12ga with slugs, its your personal preference.
 
Black Bear people. If you need to defend yourself against a charging black bear, a bolt action rifle's only advantage is they usually use larger cartriges. I saw a show with a section specifically about a good rifle to use against a charging bear. They said you could usually get off 2 aimed shots before the bear was on you.

You would definately be better off with a lever action big bore rifle, or a pump action rifle or shotgun.

You could still use a bolt, but its just not as effective as 4 or 5 shots or .307 out of the Winchester '94.
 
Remington 7600 in either 30-06 Springfield or .308 Win. Semi- auto with 5 shot capacity magazine, though there are cheaper options.
 
Puma 92 lever action in 454casull. You can shoot 45LC if you need to or 454's for the nasty stuff. If you are faced with a charging bear and you crack down with a couple of .454's and miss, at least you will set him on fire which may slow him down a bit.:D
 
The best general purpose rifle I have ever owned is a Remington M-141 pump I bought used several years ago in .35 Rem. I would feel good to go anywhere in North America with that rifle...
 
This right here. .44 Mag M92 by Puma. Under $300, stainless steel. Extremely solid design. Reliable action. As fast as a semi. Can be topped off. Can be loaded with everything from .44 Special plinkers to the big 320 grain slugs, though as I found getting it to feed the monster rounds requires some smithing.

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"...protect from black bear..." Yogi is not interested in you. The only time you might be bothered is by Cindy if you get between her and her cubs. Black bears think you reek of nothing but trouble otherwise. They will avoid you like the plague.
 
Black Bear Protection?

A little research will show that protecting yourself against a black bear is a little bit like protecting yourself from a porcupine. Yes, attacks do happen, but are so rare that it defies logic to arm yourself in anticipation of one. Still, if one feels safer in black bear country, (where I live), armed against an attack that will likely never occur, then pepper spray has been shown to be more effective at ending a bear attack than a firearm.

I have had not just a few, but many encounters with black bears over the past 20-years. Some were as close at 6-feet. One indeed was with a mother and cubs, which was the only one that put a bit of a scare into me, (she charged), but stopped about 20-feet away after I stepped back and away to the right. She looked back over her shoulder at her cubs and bolted with them into the woods. My heart was beating so hard I could hear and feel it, but at least I didn't slaughter a bear without cause. I have found that the most effective weapon against black bear attacks is respect and a little yelling....It also helps to know your territory and take care in how you present yourself in the woods.

If you feel you must protect yourself against bears, start with research and pepper spray. If a gun combination is all you can stand for, then a 44 lever and a 44 revolver should suit your purposes....
 
They're not all that uncommon, but they're usually not fatal. What's more disturbing are the verified reports of black bears turning predatory--something brownies almost never do. Esp. if you're smaller than the larger male black bears in the area, you should stay on alert. Their behavior varies quite a bit from region to region, as does their size. In parts of northern Canada they can reach enormous size, while in other areas the tend to be fairly small and skittish.

As you can see from this incomplete list, the black bears have been implicated in their share of fatal attacks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America_by_decade
 
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