General Purpose Rifle?

[Caimlas]

hmmmmm, fast way to shoot a pump gun, pull trigger and hold, and pump as fast as you can.

Hmm. Don't most pump designs require the trigger to be reset before the hammer will to prevent people from doing that 'accidentally'?

 

[Limeyfellow]

Yes they do. Same with many shotguns today so they didn't get sued by some moron holding the trigger and pumping and accidently shooting something they didn't mean too and sueing the company who made it.

 

[Clipper]

Depends...

...On when the gun was made...My M-12 made in 1950 will do it, but my M-12 made in 1994 won't. I think my M-141 will, too.

 

[Legionnaire]

GP Rifle: Remington Model Seven in .308 with Leupold 2-7X compact scope. Or Marlin 336C in .30-30 set up with a Leupold scout scope on an XS Sight Systems scout base. Might also take a look at the Ruger Frontier rifle in .308. Here's a link to a thread where the OP shows how he modified a 10-round M1A magazine to fit the Frontier. 10 rounds of .308 in a handy-length bolt rifle with a Leupold scout scope mounted would be pretty "general purpose" in my book.

 

[SniperStraz]

+1 for the 12ga Pump with slugs.

 

[KINGMAX]

Remington Model 94 in 30.30?

I bought an old Remington Model 94, in 30.30 has a Serial number from 1963. I paid a total of $30.00 for it last year. It shoots great. The action is very slick, but not loose, top ejects into your face, but not an issue as of yet. I do wear saftey lenses 100 percent of the time while shooting. It has a nice gold dot for a front sight, barrell is black and needs a refinish.

QUESTION: I would like to have it chromed. / Or :banghead: have it re-blued ??

 

[ec-10]

General purpose rifle? How about a Ruger Frontier in .308 with an M-14 magazine wedged up it's tuckus.

 

[AStone]

Marlin 336 in .30-30.

It doesn't get any more general purpose than that.

 

[Quiet]

Springfield Armory M-1A Scout Squad.

 

[the lone gunman]

Marlin Lever in 44 mag, holds lots of rounds and is just fun to own and shoot.

 

[Rexster]

The 6.8 Mini has my attention! Not having ever seen one, I will not recommend it, but I am interested. (Never shot a bear, either.) OTOH, I like the Browning BLR in .308 so much that when they released a run of them with stainless barrels and laminated stocks, I bought two of those, to be companions to my blued one.

 

[Rexster]

Pepper spray for Blackies?

Having never been on foot in grizzly/brownie country, I have never carried OC spray for bears, but I seem to remember reading that OC is not effective against black bears, who seem to like their food spicy.

 

[Ala Dan]

Winchester model 94E .44 magnum~!

 

[kcmarine]

I change my vote. Saiga in .308.

 

[yokel]

What's more disturbing are the verified reports of black bears turning predatory

Here's one from this past weekend:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070618/ap_on_re_us/bear_attack;_ylt=AoD7XTbMdCcHyadtv3eUeuas0NUE

Utah boy killed by bear while camping

By PAUL FOY, Associated Press Writer

AMERICAN FORK, Utah - An 11-year-old boy was dragged screaming from his family's tent and killed by a black bear during a Father's Day outing in the Utah wilderness.

The boy, his mother, stepfather and a 6-year-old brother were sleeping in a large tent Sunday night in American Fork Canyon, about 30 miles southeast of Salt Lake City, when the stepfather heard a scream.

The boy and his sleeping bag were gone. His body was found about 400 yards away, said Lt. Dennis Harris of the Utah County sheriff's office. His identity was not released.

Authorities said the bear, a male possibly 300 pounds, probably was the same one that was snooping around a different tent in the same area before dawn Sunday.

Wildlife officers shot a black bear Monday and flew its remains out of the Wasatch Mountains for tests to confirm that it was responsible for the fatal mauling. The officers used 26 dogs to track the bear's scent, shooting and wounding him. The creature wandered around wounded until officers shot and killed him several hours later, said Lt. Scott White of the state wildlife agency.
Authorities said the death was Utah's first fatal attack on a human by a black bear. It follows reports of several bear sightings during spring and occurred just hours after other people in the same primitive campsite likely encountered the same animal.

"Truly a tragic event," said Jim Karpowitz, director of the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources. "Events of this type are extremely rare in Utah."
The attack occurred in American Fork Canyon, a popular camping destination with elevations as high as 11,000 feet.

"When it's hot and dry like this, bears are short of food," Karpowitz said.
In May, officials reported black bears in Provo Canyon and Park City, including one that ripped through a screen door at a cabin where residents had burned food and opened windows.

Officers killed that bear because it showed no fear when biologists tried to scare it away with firecrackers, the wildlife agency said.
In July 2006, a black bear bit the arm of a 14-year-old Boy Scout while he slept in a tent, also in Utah County. The female bear returned to the campground and was killed.

Black bears, which are found in 27 states, are "generally less aggressive than other bears and don't prey on humans," said Stewart Breck, a wildlife biologist with the U.S. Department of Agriculture in Fort Collins, Colo.
The typical human-bear conflicts involve bears breaking into homes or cars.
"But it's not breaking into a tent and killing," Breck said.
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Associated Press writer Jennifer Dobner in Salt Lake City contributed to this report.

 

[Old Time Hunter]

.444 Winchester Timber Carbine or .......for the weak, a '94 Trapper chambered for .44 Mag, fun, easy to handle, and naturally comes to the shoulder.

 

[TimboKhan]

I tend to agree that the lever action 30-30 might be right up your alley, although a lever action .45-70 might be even better, particularly since you can get the Marlin guide gun that is shorter and in stainless steel. I am also not down on the .44mag idea, and I happen to think that the Ruger .44mag lever action is about the best lever action (in that caliber) there is, although I also think it is very homely looking. I am sure there will be people who disagree, but I think it has a smoother stroke than the average lever action, and it certainly has a shorter, faster stroke. Anyway, just my 2 cents on that subject.

Believe it or not, I can see the Mosin in this role too. Heck, the cartridge has enough wallop for brown bears if need be, and the rifle itself is certainly plenty rugged. Plus, you can't ignore that it is cost effective. For me, the biggest downfall would be the speed of the followup shot if one was needed. I just don't think you can cycle the Mosin as fast as you can with pretty much any modern bolt gun, although I would be happy to learn that I am wrong. It is also going to be heavier. Other than those two things, I think it would make a dandy woods gun.

 

[AStone]

I tend to agree that the lever action 30-30 might be right up your alley,
although a lever action .45-70 might be even better...

Agreed, T'Khan.

I'm pretty sure I'll add an 1895 in .45-70 to my kit at some point.

There's even a thread over here to discuss it as a deer rifle, among other things...

I was putzing around last night with photoshop and "created" an 1895
with the barrel length of a guide gun (1895G) but with a pistol grip stock.
(I like carbine length rifles but I want a pistol grip,
so would likely have an 1895 cut one down rather than get an 1895G ...)

 

[Essex County]

Know several houndsmen that seem quite content with old, beat up Model 94's and Savage 340's in 30-30. After all these years, they don't realize they need scopes and magnums........Essex

 

[TCB in TN]

The 6.8 Mini has my attention! Not having ever seen one, I will not recommend it, but I am interested. (Never shot a bear, either.) OTOH, I like the Browning BLR in .308 so much that when they released a run of them with stainless barrels and laminated stocks, I bought two of those, to be companions to my blued one.

Recently got my own BLR 308 and I LOVE it. I can cycle rounds through very quickly, it handles like a dream, is about 1 1/2 to 2 MOA out to 200 yards (resting off a tree or post) and it is a pretty nice looking PC of hardware. I found mine used in good shape for $500, and I don't plan on letting it go. I would LOVE to have another in stainless myself. It gives you the advantages of the ole 30-30 Marlin with the added umph of the 308.

 

[Lashlarue]

With my 180 gr. hand loads my 1894s will do the job.

 

[Onmilo]

Years ago I owned a Winchester Model 94 Trapper in .30/30.
Plenty enough gun for warding off a mad black bear.

Now I think a 12 guage or 20 guage short barrel field shotgun loaded with Brenneke slugs is a more versatile choice.

I have a 20" Accu-choke Mossberg 500 in 12 guage and a buddy keeps a Remington 870 Special Field 21" Rem Choke 20 guage handy now.

We both use Brennekes and Improved cylinder tubes in those areas where bears are a problem.

Another plus, shotguns seem to be easier to clear through Canadian customs than rifles, don't ask me why.