Getting an SBR

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I live in Michigan, so getting an SBR is impossible for me now. But I am thinking about moving. IF I do, what exactly must one do to be able to acquire a short barreled rifle? Is it like full auto weapons where there are a finite amount and they cost tens-hundreds of thousands of dollars? Or can I purchase new modern weapons from a manufacturer like Bushmaster after jumping through legal hoops? I would really love to get a real M4 style AR, with the 11.5" barrel. Or even one of those little SMG-like 9mm carbines with the 7" barrel but still with a stock and pistol grip. Is it possible to buy one of these from a company like Bushmaster in another state? I've heard Indiana allows SBRs. Would this be possible there?

*should be "an" in the title.

 

[h0ss]

Well, a real M4 style AR will have a 14.5" barrel, but that is besides the point. No, they arent like full auto where there is only a handful to go around. They can be purchased brand new or pieced together brand new. 14.5", 11.5", 7", whatever you want. I wont get into details because even though i know a bit about what it takes, ive never done it, so i cant really tell you how to do it. But, i can tell you to check out www.m4carbine.net, as there are a lot of people over there who have SBR's and there are lots of threads to search through for how to do it.

They even can better explain revocable living trusts, which is a way to get around the LEO sign-off and also a way to entrust the rifle to family members so that they can posess it without you being present. But like i said, go over there and search around for it.

 

[Glockman17366]

I suppose you know you need the ATF forms signed off by a local Chief Law Enforcement Officer (in PA, that's frequently a county sheriff). You'll also be fingerprinted and have to get photos (passport type).
In my case, when I decide to do it, I'll be filling the form describing the rifle I'll be converting and that rifle must be engraved with your name and location as the manufacturer.
After you get the approvals, you buy the conversion you want (I'd guess most are AR type rifles with short barreled uppers).

If you buy a rifle that is, in fact, an SBR (already manufactured or converted), the gunshop will do the paperwork for you. These are class III weapons, so you're not going to buy without going through a Class III dealer.

Are you sure Michigan bans SBR's?

 

[Gunnerpalace]

Yep you need a license which the state does not issue try to get Cox to fix it.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

Let me clarify currently you can own only legally registered Automatic(Fully) weapons, silencers, SBR's, AOW's, and SBS's are currently illegal (except for dealers I think) the only way around the short barrel is a method I saw someone else on THR describe:

he had a C&R license got a C&R 870 (see state provisions I believe C&R Class 3's are legal her as well) and the submitted paperwork got his Stamp and then SBS'ed it.

When Mike Cox wrote his decision it pertained to a request by the ATF on the matter of the "license" to own one (the stamp) apparently whoever wrote the original opinion (Kelly) was not a gun enthusiast and so in doing that caused only C&R Class 3's to be legal here. Cox said in his opinion FA's were legal to own but did not issue an opinion as to other Class 3's as they did not pertain so much to the ATF's question. We are trying to fix that.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Yep you need a license which the state does not issue try to get Cox to fix it.

Cox is a good ally to us, but he's got a lot of opposition and a lot on his plate. It's gonna be a while. I'm still waiting for suppressors as well.

 

[ctdonath]

SBRs, where legal and a Chief LEO will sign, are no big deal to get. The dealer will walk you thru the paperwork: fill out a Form 4, get fingerprinted, get passport-type photos, submit with check for $200, wait, pick up new toy.

Prices are practically no different from non-SBRs, as there is no brick-wall limit on quantity.

 

[ServiceSoon]

Personally I think SBR's are legal in Michigan. Getting a confirmation from "authority" is the hard part.

From memory....
1) Create trust in accordance with state law.
2) Go to store that sells SBR.
3) Pay for SBR.
4) Store will help you complete form 4 which will be sent to ATF to ask for permission to practice second amendment and register, errr pay tax for said weapon.
5) Receive approval from ATF via USPS which is a tax stamp.
6) Pick-up SBR.
7) Carry copy of tax stamp with the gun at all times.
8) Keep original trust and original ATF approval form in safe place.
9) Become familiar with form 5320.20 to transport said NFA weapon across state lines.
10) Have fun owning SBR.