Jackal
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Delton makes just about the lightest factory rifle for the money. They can be had for around $500.
I will second the PSA option. I recently aquired a A3 upper to set up a lower for shooting in the CMP Modern Military match.
It has a standard A2 profile 20" 1/7" barrel. On a as new DPMS lower, it's darn near as accurate as my National Match H-bar 14lb AR. $249 plus shipping for upper w/carry handle w/o bolt carrier assembly (already had one).
They recently had a complete A4 lower on sale for $149.
Add a complete upper for ~350 and your in business for under $500.
I'm just sayin...them M4 profile barrels like in that posted PSA ad ain't light. If I had known how the election was going to turn out I would have waited for a pencil barrel like I wanted.
-kBob
Heavier contour barrels are the answer to a problem that civilian shooters really don't have. When was the last time you used your rifle to cross a concertina wire barrier, or to pry open a pallet of MREs? Or mounted a grenade launcher?I have a pencil barrel Delton and have never found myself wanting anything else. IMO, A2 and M4 profiles don't make sense on a 16" carbine.
Heavier contour barrels are the answer to a problem that civilian shooters really don't have. When was the last time you used your rifle to cross a concertina wire barrier, or to pry open a pallet of MREs? Or mounted a grenade launcher?
I don’t know what all of those are, but don’t most gun games simulate some sort of extended combat with dozens of rounds being expended? That’s not really what I think of as a civilian application. Those are specialized applications that would probably benefit from specialized guns.Heavier contour barrels have a ton of applications for civilian shooters who get their barrels hot but still need to maintain a certain level of accuracy. High Power, PRS Gas Gun, 3-Gun, etc..... You will rarely see pencil barrels in any of these.
Up your budget a bit and get her a Colt 6720. You could save money by getting a PSA or or Delton, but you better know what to look for and how to troubleshoot.Limit of 6 or 700 without sight/optic but ideally less would be nice. Thank you for your time.
The only thing an Hbar is good for outside of matches are making people want to buy something else IMO. I have had my pencil barrel smoking hot shooting clay pidgeons at 60 yards a few times, and while that may not be up to some standards, it certainly can hit them. Thats still combat capable just fine at 300 yards, while so hot you feel the heat on the trigger. Seems good enough.I don’t know what all of those are, but don’t most gun games simulate some sort of extended combat with dozens of rounds being expended? That’s not really what I think of as a civilian application. Those are specialized applications that would probably benefit from specialized guns.
I’m thinking of the typical use that the gun I keep in my trunk might see, like shooting 2-3 rounds at a groundhog. I’ve never fired more than five rounds at a live target in my entire life.
A properly installed and torqued, free floated quality barrel doesn't lose its accuracy or change POI when it gets hot. It might when it's glowing orange, but that takes at least a couple of C-mags' worth of sustained full auto fire even with a pencil profile barrel. I can't really see anything like that happening in semi auto, regardless of the discipline or intensity of competition or stage. Some low and medium quality barrels string like there's no tomorrow at moderate (150-300°F) temperature changes, especially when they're supporting the handguard and the shooter changes the way he holds the gun and consequently the tension on the barrel.get their barrels hot but still need to maintain a certain level of accuracy.
My gf is taking some interest in shooting and would like to have a rifle just in case. With the price of ar parts being pretty darn low I figures I'd help her out. I'm an Ak guy though normally and do not know a lot about what's on the market currently. I know I can do a complete upper and lower from psa for pretty cheap but I'd really love to get something relatively light weight so she's into shooting it more. She gets tired and has terrible groups with my heavier guns. What are you guys thinking? I'm not looking for the lightest one in the world, just lighter than usual if that makes sense. Limit of 6 or 700 without sight/optic but ideally less would be nice. Thank you for your time.
Just asked my wife to get a women' opinion for ya. She said that the problem with most of my AR's is that "the front is to heavy". I already knew she thought that because she says so all the time but figured I confirm it. The overall weight isn't a problem. Her favorite is a pencil barrel PSA upper i have on a Aero lower. It came with a cheap but lightweight freefloated handguard. I would start there and let her pick out the furniture to finish it off.
I’m pretty sure that’s the thread that prompted me to buy my GWACS lower. They were on sale for like $89or something like that.View attachment 774762 I set out to build as light of a 300bo AR as possible without getting too exotic
My biggest weight savers
Whisky Arms aluminum BCG
Taccom buffer (no buffer basically)
Cav15 lower
Under 6lbs with a optic and a barrel that’s not as light as it could be.
The weak spot on poly lowers is where the buffer tube tower attaches. It doesn't take a lot of pressure to snap in off, especially since the buffer tube acts as a lever. I think ATI might have added metal stiffeners at that point, but I still like the GWACS CAV15 solution better: the entire lower and stock are a single assembly. They are in their own league IMO.
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I don’t know what all of those are, but don’t most gun games simulate some sort of extended combat with dozens of rounds being expended? That’s not really what I think of as a civilian application. Those are specialized applications that would probably benefit from specialized guns.
I’m thinking of the typical use that the gun I keep in my trunk might see, like shooting 2-3 rounds at a groundhog. I’ve never fired more than five rounds at a live target in my entire life.