Gifted a CVA 1860 army. Shoot or not?

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So I’ve been given an older CVA 1860 Army. It’s a purty pistol! I don’t know whether to try to shoot it or not. No turn line on the cylinder, stamped ASM (Armi San Marco). It’s not ever been loaded or fired.

I have lotsa guns, but this is my first C&B revolver. should I try to shoot this thing or not? Thanks!

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Either shoot it or sell it.
ASM revolvers have a spotty reputation, due to poor quality control.
I've shot many over the years, and most have either been very good or very bad.
Anyway, they went out of business years ago, and you'll have a hard time if you ever need parts.
If you plan on shooting cap guns alot, you would be better off selling it, and buying a Pietta or Uberti, which are current guns with high availability of parts.
My 2 centavos,
--Dawg
 
To avoid the cylinder line, first make sure your bolt spring is set to the minimum tension that maintains reliable cylinder notch engagement. You’ll also want to pull the hammer slowly for each chamber to verify the halfcock will hold, the bolt drops, and the cylinder locks and holds on the notch (won’t rotate). That sounds like 3 clicks on most reproductions. Some will have an additional click before the half cock corresponding with the handspring. If those steps occur slowly with each chamber, then check each chamber with a fast hammer pull and check to make sure the cylinder locks securely at the end of pull and doesn’t over travel.

My personal opinion would be to shoot the gun. Repros don’t increase in value much and I think they look better with light character marks if you’re wanting a display piece.
 
Like Prairie Dawg said, ASM went out of business in ~2002 and there are really no parts available. You might do as he suggests and try to locate a newer revolver (with parts available) for a shooter.

What is the date code? It will most likely be on the bottom of the frame near the barrel lug, with alpha characters in a rectangle. Early to mid-range ASM revolvers were pretty good quality guns; the later ones (BH/1996) and later were of spotty quality when ASM realized it was not competitive with Uberti and saw that the end was near.

If it has never been fired, it may well be of interest to ASM aficianados and could bring a good price at auction on GunBroker.

You could also part it out and sell the parts on Ebay and make twice the money as the revolver would sell for whole.

Repros don’t increase in value much

That may have been true a year ago, but pandemic prices and scarcity of new revolvers from Pietta and Uberti have driven prices up very much on used guns.

I have an ASM 1860 Army .44 (BD/1994) that I spent over a year putting together a cased set with a shoulder stock, full-fluted cylinder, and accoutrements. You might want to mull over that option if you are not a die-hard BP shooter.

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Good luck with your endeavors!

Regards,

Jim
 
I wouldn't hesitate to shoot it if it seems to be in shootable condition (which you description seems to indicate)
I'm not sure what replacement parts anyone should be worried about.
You'll be able to find nipples and springs to work with it, easy at numerous suppliers.
VTI still has lots of ASM parts that you probably wont ever need anyway.
Some Uberti parts (and others) can be fit to an ASM.
If you ever end up wearing out something that you can't figure out how to replace you can sell the rest for parts for a lot more than you have into it.

Some of the nicest C&B revolvers I've seen were ASMs, and some ASMs were a long way from it.
I think since it's CVA branded that it's gone through 2 sets of quality checks so you're likely not holding a POS.
 
It seems really well put together. Times nicely, nice n tight. I may shoot it with a buddy for a bit and then display it. I have a relative who did some stuff here in Texas where he would have wanted one of these. He’d make a good subject to go with it.

thank yall! The encouragement and input is pretty cool.
 
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Hello Sovblocgunfan,

I'd shoot it, and enjoy it.
Parts are available from Deer Creek Products.
I have an 1851 which the Trigger/Bolt spring broke, I replaced it with one from a Uberti.

AntiqueSledMan.
 
Did you receive any loading supplies or accessories with it?
There's some info. to learn before firing C&B revolvers.
Such as how to clean them and take them apart.
Some models can require more fiddling and gun smithing skills than others.
Some individual guns may have cap jams during firing from cap fragments while others may not have any cap jams at all.
There are modifications and solutions for just about every potential problem.
You'll never know how smoothly things will go until you try it out.

With most C&B models, loading can be slow and the sights can shoot high until they're adjusted or replaced.
Some supplies and accessories are needed, but aren't absolutely necessary just to try the gun out.
There's some options about loading & cleaning, and advice can be confusing, contradictory and biased one way or another about how you should do things.
There's a lot of youtube videos that can teach a lot, but you may need to watch a bunch of them to find ones that you like.
It's good if you have a friend who that has some familiarity that will help to get you started.
Duelist1954 has some of the best C&B revolver videos on youtube and he's made very many.
This link is his youtube channel page.--->>> https://www.youtube.com/user/duelist1954
Here's a video about the Pietta 1860.
If part a video gets too boring then skip through it and look for another one.
Some are more about shooting while others are more instructive.


There's getting everything together that's needed to shoot.
A person usually always needs to learn how to clean the gun properly after every shooting session.
It's necessary or else the gun can rust. and nipples can get frozen if the threads aren't greased.
But if you're well prepared and try it and like it, then you'll probably be glad that you did.
Some folks like shooting them better than cartridge guns, but it's also more time consuming with more cleaning and prep. work, more supplies and accessories.
Others may think that it's a headache, and can be little bit dirty.
Some guns are capable of being very accurate, but they can also be hard to shoot accurately depending on how far away the target is and what your expectations are.
I think of C&B's as being combat guns with the possibility that some guns will shoot more accurately than others, and some shots can be more accurate than others.
Sometimes there's a lot of randomness to it.
And it won't always be the fault of the shooter, but sometimes just due to quirks with the gun, chambers, the loads or the sights.
But C&B's slow down the rate of shooting, and allow a person to customize their load and occupy some time by making smoke and some good shots at moderate distances.
And then you decide how much that you like it or not.

Here's the Uberti black powder revolver manual: --->>> https://www.uberti-usa.com/sites/default/files/originals/product-manuals/black_powder_revolvers.pdf
Here's the Traditions black powder revolver manual for Pietta: --->>> https://www.traditionsfirearms.com/data/product_owner_manuals/BPRevolver_manual_1362674422.pdf
 
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They are closer to originals. The one I have (1969 build) has the arbor fit correctly and the chambers are even bored with a taper like original.

I’m waiting for the day a manufacturer includes proper bore to chamber diameter, deep gain twist rifling, arbor fitting, and durable loading lever latch. I think I’ll be waiting a long while.
 
I’m waiting for the day a manufacturer includes proper bore to chamber diameter, deep gain twist rifling, arbor fitting, and durable loading lever latch. I think I’ll be waiting a long while.

You will be waiting quite a while. You must think these things are modern day S&W, Ruger, Colt, et al, firearms. They don't even offer that. You get what you get.

When pigs fly...

Jim
 
Looks like one of the older ones, my vote would be to shoot and enjoy. Only issue you may have is getting balls and caps for it right now unless you already have some.
 
therein lies the problem. Startin’ from scratch here!

Thats where everyone starts from. But the journey is at least half the fun. And you are learning at every step. Plus lots of help to be had here.

There are lots of good Youtube videos to help. But start with the vids from duelist1954.
 
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