Girlfriend's First Gun?

Status
Not open for further replies.

rogerjames

member
Joined
Sep 21, 2006
Messages
633
Location
Florida
I am buying a revolver for my girlfriend for home protection. She has had her place robbed last year and a few funny incidents since. She will probably not carry the gun as it is something she doesn't want to do but would like one to keep in the house. She is quite small with little hands and wrists. I am considering Taurus 627 (4" 357 with ported barrell, 28.8 oz) and Taurus 817 compact (2" 357, 21 oz). Probably would load with 38 or 38 +P. I am going to take her to range and shoot but would like some advice as I'm sure the range doesn't have these exact guns.
 
This advice is given over and over all the time. Take her to the gunstore and let her shop. What you consider might not be what she likes.
 
Agree with all of the above: allow her to shop and be there to guide her and provide information. Kinda like my parents buying my sister a car. They bought her first one and she hated it. They let her pick her second (with guidance and within reason) and she liked it much better (and took better care of it too). A revolver of some type probably is the best bet, as she wouldn't have to worry about rotating magazines to avoid spring compression and such. Let her pick it out, and she will probably enjoy shooting it and maintaining it much more!
 
thanks for the link. i'll heed her advice. this forum is a great source of information, i'm glad i found it.
 
She should be the one selecting the firearm. She needs to handle as many as possible, shoot the candidates & get the one you can get the best deal on! ;)
 
I went through the same thing with my girlfriend and after giving her as many options as I could give within the specs she gave, she picked a 4" Colt King Cobra. We are going to try it out this weekend.
 
Ditto on all of the above. I however would highly recommend against anything ported. Ever fired a short-barreled ported handgun? Especially indoors? Not at all pleasant if you value your sight and hearing.
 
MatthewVanitas ~

"pax" is not Paxton Quigley!

(If you've told this to anyone else, anywhere else -- please go back and set the record straight.)

My real-life name is Kathy Jackson. I am a freelance writer and an assistant firearms instructor at the Firearms Academy of Seattle.

I chose the username I did, years ago, because it's the Latin word that means "peace." Didn't know then about the anti-gun group called PAX. Named myself before the cable channel was founded. And it never occurred to me that my username might be mistaken for a shortened version of a famous person's name.

Sorry for any confusion.

(Edited to add: absolutely no personal offense was taken here. Please forgive the shout -- I just wanted to be sure everyone heard the correction. It's a common mistake, but one that I'm doing my best to stamp out.)

pax
 
Last edited:
Like buying a ring, perhaps shopping is something best done together. One woman years ago surprised her boyfriend by picking a Ruger Security-Six with a 6-inch barrel (not a gun one would likely guess that a woman would want). She later used it to bag an intruder. The entire time the bad guy was advancing on her he was coming on like Mr. Hyde. When she produced the gun, he changed immediately and began begging her to let him go.

She compromised and let him call the police.

Another woman chose a Model 29, which she carried in a bag. Again, not what one would guess.

Ruger and Smith have both made some horrible marketing decisions, I think. I don't like ultra-light defense guns, nor do I like guns that feel like they were once a block of steel. I'd say get her a new Smith 66 with a 2.5-inch barrel, but Smith doesn't make it any longer. But surely there must be some available somewhere.

Out in Kentucky years ago, all the women had either Model 19s or 66s and the loved them. And instead of going home and cleaning them, they'd all sit down after practice and clean their guns together at tables the instructor had set up.

My mother's favorite home protection guns were: 1) Ruger Security-Six w/2.75-inch barrel, and 2) the Ruger stainless Mark II Standard .22LR. (She LOVED the latter.)
 
Ms. Jackson and the many folks who have made the same point (often less eloquently) are right -- the ideal is to have her try different guns and pick one she likes.

I do think a gun-knowledgeable boyfriend (or husband, sibling, female friend, etc.) can help some, by supplying information, by suggesting possibilities, maybe by gently nudging in a different direction if it looks like a clearly problematic choice is going to be made (e.g., a healthy woman of young or middle age shouldn't need to resort to a .22 LR for defense unless it's really the only thing that will do -- in which case, so be it). But a shooter should choose her own gun.

That said, if I were forced to "blind" pick one gun that I think would be most likely to suit a typical, petite new shooter interested in self-defense, I would recommend a K-frame Smith & Wesson .38 Special revolver. Model 10, Model 64, or my #1 pick in this category, the S&W Model 67.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...d=10001&productId=14759&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y

Adjustable-sighted (many new shooters really seem to like the orange insert);
stainless steel (easy maintenance);
36 oz (good in-between weight);
4" barrel K-frame (nice handy size for smaller hands);
.38 Special (mild-recoiling, accurate centerfire caliber, and +P loads for defense are credible stoppers);
revolver (no slide to rack; easy to load).

Plus most S&W K-frames tend to be very accurate guns for the money, which encourages practice.

Different strokes for different folks, but I think the gunshop guys who routinely steer new petite shooters toward airweight J-frames as house guns are guilty of incompetence. Maybe a 442 (or a Kahr, or even a Ruger Mk-III) will turn out to be the answer at the end of the day. But the 67 is the type of gun they should start off suggesting.
 
All of the above, but you might try to let her look at a Kahr. You can search Kahr and Mom here or on Glocktalk to read my account of getting my mom and sis a pair of Kahrs.
 
Different strokes for different folks, but I think the gunshop guys who routinely steer new petite shooters toward airweight J-frames as house guns are guilty of incompetence.
Preach that, brother. :)

Stood over a very determined but arthritic older lady as she learned to shoot a couple summers ago. She had a titanium snub with barely visible sights. Even with powderpuff loads, the poor woman literally had tears squeezing out the corners of her eyes with every shot fired; she gutsily turned down the all-steel snub we offered to loan her in exchange because, she said, it was her gun and she was going to learn to shoot it. My admiration for her was surpassed only by my anger at whomever had foisted that gun on her...

pax
 
Pax, the same thing happened to an older relative of mine. That's one reason the phenomenon ticks me off so much.

5'4", middle aged woman. She's not arthritic, and she can shoot her snubby without tears, but she greatly prefers to shoot my guns, esp. the S&W 10 and the Ruger GP100 loaded with .38s, and is much more accurate with them.

She'd practice more, have more fun, and be better armed with a 67. Or even a steel snubby. Unfortunately, she'd take a loss selling her J-frame as a trade-in, and she lives in a state where handgun purchases (also sales between individuals) are attended with hassles, so she still has the Airweight.

This is an area where a knowledgeable friend can help the new shooter make a wise choice. (I wasn't informed about guns yet when my relative got hers.) Smaller sized people who haven't shot much tend not to appreciate that a smaller weapon is only a good thing up to a point -- and that goes double for weight.
 
To expand on that point, I think women with little experience are often drawn to "cute" smaller guns. They think a PPK or a snubby or a Beretta 21A is more ladylike because it is small and relatively light. In some cases things wok out, but a lot of times they get scared away by recoil, muzzle blast and other issues that you have to deal with when you shoot a full caliber out of a tiny gun.

If a woman is drawn to "tiny and cute," you may try to mitigate that by getting a full steel gun rather than a polymer or alloy frame.
 
She needs to choose the gun that works for her, BUT.....

Members here can be helpful in initial selection of possible arms.

For most of the females I have helped, J-frame sized revolvers with Hogue grips have been the preferred feel. One that I picked up not long ago has been quite popular among females somewhat new to the world of firearms; that gun is a 3" Ruger SP101 in .32 H&R magnum with Hogue monogrips. The same size as the .357 version, the .32 caliber chambering allows for 6 rounds instead of five. .32 H&R is adequate for self defense with good loads, falling between .380 ACP and 9x19 power-wise. Yet it recoils quite mildly, especially from the sturdy little Rugers.

For something a bit easier to find (both gun and ammo), 5-shot .38 specials are just as controllable.

But you never know-she may prefer a large frame gun, since it is not to be a CCW. And while I always advocate revolvers for the less seasoned individuals requiring a defensive arm, do not dismiss auto's. Some folks just can't get comfortable with a revolver (my wife, for example). If she is willing to practice a bit and stay proficiant, nothing wrong with a good autoloader.

Just my $0.02;)
 
I am in the same situation as you and leaning towards .357 using 38 spcl. Ruger SP101 seems to be a good choice of .357 for a lot of folks here.
 
Thanks. Went to a gun show over the weekend, took my girlfriend. We decided on the SP101 357 3". Thanks for all the help and advice.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top