Glock 17 - Gen 2 - ejected cases hit my head?

[RTFM]

OK like the title says - I found a New In Box 2nd Generation Glock 17 (I say NIB because it still has the copper anti-seize on the hard points in the frame)

On Sunday I put 1,000 rounds of various 9 through it, not a single problem - none - YAH GLOCK!

My problem is 80% of the ejected cases came close to (but were slightly high - landing behind me) or actually did hit the crown of my head.
So much so that I had to put on a base ball cap to protect my head.

At one point my wife said I had 3 or 4 empty casings sitting up on the hats bill.

Is this normal for Glocks?

RTFM

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

I had a G30 and a G27 that would throw random cases at my head, but nothing like 80%. My G19 has never done it. That ejection pattern is totally unacceptable and needs to be adjusted, perhaps by re-angling or re-shaping the ejector.

 

[RTFM]

Over at GT they seem to think I'm "limp wristing"

I'll look at my grip and stance.
But let's define proper shall we.

I have three other auto-loaders and they do not bean me in the head.

SIG P-229 .40S&W/.357 SIG
SIG P-228 9mm
Beretta 92FS 9mm

And none of the three come close to rearward ejection. All are right and forward...

My typical stance is:

"The Weaver" a two-handed technique in which the dominant hand holds the pistol or revolver and the support hand wraps around the pistol frame, covering the "strong" hand. The shooter pushes forward with his dominant hand while the support hand exerts rearward pressure. The resultant isometric tension provides excellent recoil control when the gun is fired.

(^^^Cut and paste from the 'net^^^)

This keeps me in the black with all of my other pistols - and no need to duck for cover....

So i find it hard to believe I'm limp wristing a Glock and not having any problems with the others.

The debate continues.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

Over at GT they seem to think I'm "limp wristing" ...

Even if that were true, which I doubt, do you really want a gun that is that dependent on perfect hold or grip just to eject the cases properly?

 

[RTFM]

Nope not at all.
My don't leave home with out it is my P-229
The Glock is because I don't own one - so I might as well get one to see what there all about. -gun.

It will be interesting to determine why it's doing it though.
Is it me or the gun?
Stance - hold - grip - grip angle - extractor issues - just too new needs to be shot more......

Time will tell. If nothing else I can say I owned a Glock, and can use it as trade bate.

But for now, I'll work through it and see what develops.

 

[Dave Dembinski]

There's something wrong with the gun, it's not supposed to do that. Get it looked at.

 

[gudel]

Even if that were true, which I doubt, do you really want a gun that is that dependent on perfect hold or grip just to eject the cases properly?

that's similar to the saying do you really want a gun that needs to be break-in before you can trust it, even still, it might or might not work.

i'd say you got yourself a wimpy hold. stiffen up.

 

[RTFM]

i'd say you got yourself a wimpy hold. stiffen up.

Now that hurts... that's just plane mean.


Just kidding.

 

[gudel]

yeah, I've had my share of brass hitting the head with my G machines. Much better than shipping a gun back or tweaking the extractor though.

 

[CountGlockula]

Interesting replies, I've stopped the casing from hitting my face when I began to firm up my grip/arms.

 

[W.E.G.]

Have you let somebody else shoot it?
Does it bean other shooters too?

I pretty much gave up on shooting 1911-pattern guns for this very reason. I get beaned on almost every magazine from various 1911-pattern guns. Seems to be a big problem with lots of people and 1911's. One of my buddies got a Smith and Wesson 1911-pattern gun that beans EVERYBODY on almost every shot. Truly amazing.

I have one 1911 that doesn't bean me. I guess I'll keep it.

None of my Glocks bean me.
They throw the brass about 45 degrees up and to the rear.
Works for me.

ymmv

 

[Wedge]

Quit holding the gun sideways!

I get beaned about 1% of the time. I would get the gun looked at assuming your grip is sound.

 

[RTFM]

Wedge Quit holding the gun sideways!

Dang Wedge.... I should have thought of that....LOL!!!!

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Reply @ all.
I think my grip strength is good, but it appears to be a common reply, so when I go back out I'll apply more grip pressure.

Keep it up everyone, so far so good.
And thanks for the replies.

RTFM

 

[Steve C]

If you can't isolate the problem to the shooter or the ammo then a trip to a Glock armorer or specialist could get the ejector or extractor modified or replaced to change ejection angle.

 

[RTFM]

My best friend is flying in for a 2 week vacation, he has several Glocks he is about 1" taller than I am but we are the same body build and weight (+/- a few donuts )

We are already having this conversation via email also. Will be interesting to see if it hits him also.

He made mention on a "straight" extractor vs: a "15 degree" extractor...

HELP what is the difference?

 

[CountGlockula]

RTFM-He made mention on a "straight" extractor vs: a "15 degree" extractor...
HELP what is the difference?

Different extractor for different calibers.
http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/extractors.html

 

[Remmy91]

I was just at the range today breaking in my new glock 17 (3rd generation), and I was having the exact same problem. Cases were landing on my head, burning my arm, and hitting my face / shirt. Only about 25 percent actually flew to the right of me. I have other 9mm / .45 ACP handguns that I have no problem with, so I don't think my wrist is limp while shooting.

 

[GRIZ22]

I carried a G17 for about 7 years and never had that problem. My guess would be based on (surprisngly enough) something an armorer at S&W told me. He said the original Sigma (which was pretty much a copy of the Glock) would throw cases on your head and in your face. He said he bent the ejector in a bit (how much I don't know) toward the centerline of the pistol (like a Glock) the problem went away. He brought this to the attention of engineers at S&W and they said "what do you know you're an armorer and we're engineers". The Sigma ejector was eventually bent in.

I'd say you're ejector is somewhat out of spec and if you go to a big enough dealer to have had someone go to Glock Armorer's it's a quick and easy fix.

 

[CountGlockula]

What ammo are you using?

 

[RTFM]

Remmy91 - You and I can start a new club - that appars to be so popular here on THR lately.

The scorched forhead club.

But it's good (in a way) to hear others have had or are having the same issues.

@ count.
A beggars mix of WWB, UMC, Speer GDJHP, American Eagle, Corbon and some Federal.

It was to see how well the new pistol worked.
Not a single FTF or FTE in the mix I'm happy to report.


RTFM

 

[Ken Rainey]

Well the ejector "should" be fine unless someone has already bent it - compare it to another G17 ... or it could be the extractor has a nick or something as simple as needing to detail clean the extractor assembly....anyway, it should be an easy fix...if you know a Glock Armorer, they can check/replace these parts quickly for you....if not, you can send it to Glock and they'll inspect and replace (upgrade) the parts for free.

I've seen this more with the loaded chamber indicator extractors than the ones without...replacing those with the non 'indicator' extractors cured them...

Hang in there, once you get it to where it won't "bing" your noggin, it'll be a favorite - you've already proven it's reliability to yourself !

 

[RTFM]

Oh yah no doubt about GLOCKs in the first place.
As said before I needed one in the collection just to see what all the hub-bub is about with them.

No matter what I'll keep it. It's just kind of fun working out why it does it.

Lonewolf Disrib is here in Idaho and holds a GLOCK armorers course, I'm thinking of taking some time so I can detail strip my own gun.

The saga continues.............

 

[CountGlockula]

RTFM Remmy91 -
@ count.
A beggars mix of WWB, UMC, Speer GDJHP, American Eagle, Corbon and some Federal.

Out of these 6 brands which one's hit you in the head? There's a portion in my Glock Reference guide that it may be the specific type of ammunition you're using. Just sharing what I read while on the throne.

 

[Shell Shucker]

The G-17 I owned for several years threw brass EVERYWHERE! A lot of it came strait back at my head; very annoying. It was 100% reliable. Most of the other autos that I've owned/shot deposited the brass in a neat pile; very handy for reloaders. My HK P-7 threw the brass 30+ feet.......

 

[PO2Hammer]

Over at GT they seem to think I'm "limp wristing"

They like to blame all pistol problems on that.

I have a 17L that does the same thing. I often find brass or aluminum in my shirt pockets after firing, doesn't seem to matter what ammo or if I'm firing one or two handed. About 1 out 10 times times the last piece of brass will actually drop back on the gun and sit in the open breech on top of the magazine!

I tried an aftermarket guide rod with a 15 pound recoil spring and that helped a little, but not much.

I'm thinking of getting a second ejector assembly and trimming the ejector back a little at a time to change the ejection timing, but for now I have to wear a ball cap otherwise I'll get at least one piece of brass in the face per magazine.