Glock 23 .40 caliber????? Any opinions

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1KPerDay said:
To the experts here... any truth to the .40S&W Glocks blowing up or blowing cases? I have never had any trouble (of any kind) with mine, but I seem to recall a thread here recently about improper case head support causing bulged/blown cases or something.:uhoh:
Nobody? :confused:
 
1KPerDay said:
To the experts here... any truth to the .40S&W Glocks blowing up or blowing cases? I have never had any trouble (of any kind) with mine, but I seem to recall a thread here recently about improper case head support causing bulged/blown cases or something.:uhoh:

You'll be fine as long as you stick with factory ammo. The Kb stories are pretty overhyped and usually involve reloads. Stick with factory loads and you'll be good to go.

Nothing to worry about.
 
No 23 here but I have a 19 and a 30 both of which are comfortable, 100% reliable, and shoot more than accurately enough for my "OK" skill level. Admittedly I am more accurate with 1911s, but the difference is not significant for HD work. The difference between a 2.5" group and a 1.5" group isn't going to make a difference (not that I kid myself into thinking I could necessarily keep EITHER grouping in a live shooting situation). However the difference between always shoots and occasionally doesn't MIGHT make a difference. SIG an Glocks are both renowned for always going bang, so you're onto two winners there. I second FWIW the idea that overpenetration is MORE likely on a 9 or .40 than a .45. Stick some 230gr DoubleTap JHPs in that P220 and you're gold.

You'll get a lot of bad press on the glocks for a few basic reasons - generally

a) an emotional (not the same as irrational, but can also be that too) distaste for "plastic" guns.

b) reported instances of "kabooms" which almost always center on overpowered reloads and in any case tend to be third hand anecdotes.

c) point angle - a rather subjective opinion on whether the gun "points" naturally when you swing it rapidly on an imaginary target without aiming. A lot of veteran shooters (which I'm not) say the Glock points high. I have no reason to doubt them but it doesn't do so for ME. Try a G23 in a store and (please very carefully and with advance warning to the guys on the counter) rapidly point it at a safe "target" without actually aiming THEN check the sights. If you are close, the Glock works fine for you. If you are way high then you may want to stick with the Sig brand. Personally Glocks point BETTER for me than Sigs do, but I'm probably in the minority and definitely not relevant for you. However neither are the claims that Glocks DON'T point well for other people.

d) Perceived greater incidence of failure from anecdotal reports. Remember that the plural of anecdote is NOT data. There is a reason you don't see as many Mercedes Benzes broken down than you see Chevys, and believe it or not it's NOT thet MB's are more reliable (although they probably are more durable). Trust me on this MB's certainly have some reliability issues, but there are a tiny fraction of them compared to how many Chevys there are on the road so what are your chances if both break down equally or even if the MB's break down slightly more often as a percentage? Think about that for a minute and then remember that in the semiauto handgun world, Glocks are the Chevys in this analogy - and far outsell other brands.

EDIT - how could I forget e) The trigger pull. This one alone I have some sympathy with. There IS a fair amount of creep and a spongy break on Glock triggers. If you're a precision shooter used to the 1911 short pull SA trigger for decades, you're not going to like Glock triggers. They work fine but they feel a lot less clean. I prefer it to DA/SA guns or "crunchentickers", or even DAO guns (without starting the argument that technically speaking a Glock may or may not be a DAO - it certainly doesn't feel like the traditional DA trigger) but it's hardly the best feature of a Glock for sure. Functional. You get used to it. Not great though.


Glocks are fine guns with excellent reliability, a laughably easy manual of arms, great durability, moderate cost and perfectly commendable if not bleeding edge accuracy. They are not "perfection" except perhaps in the utilitarian sense of their intended purpose, but they sure as hell aren't junky or unsafe either.
 
I don't see the point for .40:

9mm - low recoil, high capacity, low ammo cost, less damage
.45 - high recoil, low capacity, high ammo cost, more damage

.40 tries to fill a non-existent niche, and therefore is a marketing gimmick.

Specifically to glocks - I am not a fan, but others are. IMO, a serious complaint against glocks is the insufficient barrel support for the shell, which might result in a number of problems, especially for the hotter loads. Check for some recent threads on the issue. That's one of the reasons I stick to Rugers.
 
Glock 23 is a great firearm for all purposes. If you use good factory ammo, those KB issues would probably be non-existent. Most .40 sw are hot loads but very very few of them are super hot. The only ones that come to mind is double tap and companies making the 40 sw+p which buffalo bore makes.

http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#40sw

I'm the fan of the 40 sw and carry the xd-40sc and soon, the p2000sk.
 
I hate seeing .40S&W ammo advertised as +P, AFAIK there is no SAAMI +P spec for .40S&W. Here's an idea, rather than give a "+P" headstamp, why not "kB"? :rolleyes:

ways to prevent Glock kB
1. use SAAMI spec ammo
2. no exposed lead bullets
3. no reloads (even factory reloads)
4. don't chamber the same round twice, bullet can set back occasionally (aluminum cased ammo seems more prone to this problem).
5. don't believe the myth of glock perfection, get a fully supported aftermarket barrel
 
RC***

Sig,

My brother & I have owned a Glock 23 since 1991. We like it. Aftermarket conventionally rifled bbls can shoot exposed lead reloads w/ no trouble, but the polygonal rifling of the factory bbl causes lead buildup & eventual issues if you shoot non-jacketed bullets in it. My Jarvis bbl shoots better than I can, despite my brother's doctoring of the factory trigger below 4 lbs. The early 23's had the short rails & loose chamber/deep feedramp but we've not had any significantly buldged cases, despite my brother's jacketed handloads. I carry it workdays @ the store & it stays the rest of the time as the house gun, though since I've had FTE w/ the Jarvis when cycling manually, I carry the factory bbl.

Either your friend wants to talk you out of your nice new Sig, or he's fallen prey to one of the endless myths about firearms that are endlessly repeated. Even .45 FMJ, even if it goes through the body of the supposed miscreant, is extremely unlikely @ that point to do harm to your neighbors on the other side of a double sheetrock firewall. Find a round you can afford. Make sure it cycles. Practice w/ cheap stuff. Pray you never have to use it. If you do, aim center of mass. SIG makes an excellent weapon, & you can bet your life on it and any premium defensive ammunition.

Speaking of premium, my bias is to the heaviest bullet I can throw - I carry 180 gn Speer hollowpoints.

But if you decide to buy a Glock & want to get rid of your SIG in a hurry, let me know ; )

Gig 'em,

backbencher
 
If you haven't shot the Glock I would recommend doing so before buying one. In my experience they are reliable, but for me at least, they have mediocre ergonomics.

Also, I'd get another .45 ACP pistol. BTW, the Sig 220 is a fine gun--but rather heavy and bulky for concealed carry. There are some fine compact .45 that are great carry guns.
 
I can't believe the handle "SigP220" wasn't already taken. Shame on us all :)

Simply put, you've already got one of the finest handguns ever made. I challenge you to make it fail, and it's incredibly accurate. None of this is because I'm personally inclined towards Sigs (trust me, I am...). Ask around, and you'll hear little but praise for it.

As far as the big 'n mighty .45, it's the next best thing to a scattergun for HD. The .40 is more likely to overpenetrate than the big/slow .45. Load it with decent hollowpoints, and you'll be fine.

Of course, none of this should discourage you from buying more handguns. If you're inclined towards the .40 (I'm not, but...), check out the P229, which has wonderful ergonomics and the same manual-of-arms. Or you could just get a silly Glock. It's up to you, but your friend seems to be one of the many know-it-alls I see at the range all the time. You're quite well served by the P220.
 
Also, with the G23, you can pop an aftermarket 9mm barrel in it and you can shoot the cheaper 9mm round if you like. Although I've not done it yet, I plan too. There are a number of threads on this in THR archives.
Biker
 
I've owned a couple G23s (1 Second and 1 Third generation) and neither impressed me very much. I tried to like them, and the .40SW round, but I think the G23 and the .40 are not a match made in heaven. Many will disagree and that's fine.

The only pistol I've ever found to be perfect for the .40SW....the Browning HP.
 
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