Glock "45 Glock" - no decimal....

[Al Thompson]

I hit the range today for another CWP class and ran a few rounds through my G19. Got to thinking about it and I'm pretty taken with the idea of a 200 grain Gold Dolt at 900 (+,-) out of the same package. Several very experianced friends think 200 grain bullets in .45 caliber are the berries. If the mag cap is 10, I'm sold.

Any thoughts?

 

[Marko Kloos]

I kinda like big and slow bullets, and that new 45 Glock looks like a viable "45 Kurz". It doesn't do anything ballistically that a moderately loaded .45ACP doesn't do, but it *does* fit into smaller framed guns.

My big reservation about the 45 Glock is ammo availability. I'd hate to get one just to pay $16+/50 for practice ammo, and $30/50 for one of two commercially available HP loads.

 

[Old Fuff]

While I don't have all the dimentions, it appears that the 45 Glock is based on the regular .45 ACP case, but is slightly shorter. It should be easy to trim regular .45 cases to fit the model 37's chamber and then reload them with regular .45 bullets weighing 200 grains or less for practice - or even to carry. Considering this, I don't see any ammunition problems.

If the cartridge catches on it won't be long before commercial reloading companies will be offering it.

 

[M1911]

The answer to a question that nobody asked...

 

[10-Ring]

But why? The 45 acp is available everywhere in variety of loads, thick grips, thin grips, big guns, sub compact guns, steel guns, aluminum guns, polymer guns....how much more variety do you need?

 

[Navy joe]

Old Fuff, the way I read the info on the .45 Kurz was that the brass was different in that it used a thicker case head and web area to deal with the fact that to get the ballistics Glock wants they are running higher than conventional .45ACP pressures. Maybe shortened 450SMC brass, but someone will probably trim some ACP brass eventually and 'splode their drastic plastic. If I'm wrong about the brass someone please correct me.

I think I'll keep on keepin' on with any all steel SA .45ACP pistol I have, and limit my Glocking to the 9mms that I own. I see nothing this cartridge is going to do that 10mm, .40, or .45 won't do as well or better. I think the driving force really was it griped Glock's arse to see S&W turn out junk like the Sigma and still have their own cartridge. It really annoyed them to chamber Glocks for it, so here is their answer.

 

[Al Thompson]

Had not thought about the pressure issues. AFAIK, that and the unsupported case head seem to be two big clues about the Glock KB stuff. Be interesting to hear what Dean Spier thinks about it.


lendringser - think Georgia Arms - .

 

[Alvin Hammer]

according to Glock literature the 45 Glock is not a .45" cartridge, but a .43". 45 ACP brass will not fit regardless of how short it is trimmed.

 

[ajacobs]

IT is also in the 17/22 size frame not the 19/23 size frame.

 

[Al Thompson]

Alvin, according to reports, that was a mistake by Glock. If they can put it in a 17/22 frame, wonder if they'll put in a 19/23 frame - and support the case head better.

 

[Tamara]

The thing that gives me the creeping willies about the cartridge is the ratio of case capacity to bullet size. If you think that a 180gr .40 only needs a small amount of setback for a dramatic pressure spike...

I don't know which will happen first: A magazine spewing its contents on the floor from someone trying to gin up a "+P" load, or a magazine spewing its contents on the floor because someone tried to squeeze a 230gr projectile in that stubby case.

 

[Sven]

To me, this seems the most bizzare move Glock has made yet, though in hindsight, I guess it makes sense.

One turn off to me for .40 was the high price and relative scarcity of ammunition compared to 9mm/.45 ... can't really see myself buying any non-standard ammo anytime soon.

Are they really doing this to ensure compatibility with exisiting holsters, or is there another, deeper reason for reusing the G17 frame? IE, manufacturing optimization, reusing molds and tooling?

 

[Al Thompson]

Probably both with a certain amount of "cool factor" thrown in.

 

[Nero Steptoe]

I really enjoy shooting my Glocks and have not experienced any problems in shooting tens of thousands of my reloads in both .45ACP and 9mm. However, I believe the .45 Glock to be ill-conceived and I predict its imminent doom.

 

[Al Thompson]

That may be true. But - if they can make it work, it'll be neat.

Thought about this at lunch. Let's see - 17 first, then 19, then 26. Ditto for the .40s. I speculate that we'll see the 17/22 frame, then the 19/23 frame size and way down the road a 26/27 frame size.

And........

So if a department bought 17s, then upgraded to 22s, they are finished until the things wear out. Now Glock brings out yet a new/old caliber, but wait! No new gear, no new training. Just another half million pistols to be sold. Slices, dices and makes julienne fries.

Wonder how the 200 grain Gold Dots will do in the FBI testing. Federal orders anyone?

Someone brought up a good point - will the 45 Glock case head be stronger ala the .45 Super? Will a piece of .45 ACP brass have enough strength to handle the pressure?

Going to be interesting........