Glock Accuracy Claim

[jlh26oo]

I was talking to local LEO today who suggested that he could routinely hit four inch groups at 100 yds. with his Glock 19 ... Does anyone else experience that kind of accuracy with their Glocks?

Grrrr!! NO! And boy does that make me mad at GLOCK owners, going around touting that kind of accuracy! <shakes fist> Just like one of them to make some outlandish claim like that. But anyways, glad you shared. Gave me the opportunity to answer your question regarding how accurate glock's AREN'T. Thanks XD Fan!

 

[Desertscout]

Gave me the opportunity to answer your question regarding how accurate glock's AREN'T.

OK. So you have your opportunity. Answer the question and please be prepared to back it up with something besides rhetoric.

 

[jlh26oo]

OT funny story

My friend suggested his Honda Accord could routinely run single digit quarter mile times. That sounds pretty fast, because on a good day my Ford Mustang only runs high 13's (ok 14's). So anyone else getting that kind of speed from their Accords?

 

[plexreticle]

The guy is a liar.

I don't understand why people comp guns like the 19.

 

[GunNut]

It's funny were are all arguing how about something someone was told by someone else. It's a very good possibilty that what the LEO said and what was heard was something completely different. It wouldn't be the first time information was messed up.


Having said that, obviously there is not a semi-auto "service" weapon made that can shoot 4" off hand groups at 100yards.

Glock's, XD's, USP's and most other sevice type guns are more accurate than the majority of handgun shooters. To say a Glock specifically isn't accurate, is a load of c**p. All guns when shot out of a ransom rest will shoot better than even the best handgun shooter, shooting off hand.

Some people shoot Glock's very accurately and can't hit the broadside of a barn with a XD, USP or whatever. That is why we should all shoot as many guns as possible and pick the one that is accurate and comfortable to shoot for yourself.

 

[AK103K]

It's funny were are all arguing how about something someone was told by someone else.

There ya go.

Having said that, obviously there is not a semi-auto "service" weapon made that can shoot 4" off hand groups at 100yards.

He may very well have done it. He just didnt mention that he was standing at 95 when he did.


Not to belittle Bob Munden or his abilities, he is a great shot, the thing with the 2" .38, and I believe it might have been at 200 yards too, the balloons were on a fair sized steel plate. Any hit to the plate would most likely have popped the balloon. Still, it was a good trick. Since we got his ears burning talking about him, he does more than just shoot, he also does real nice trigger jobs on SA .45's. He did one on a Cimmaron I had and it was something to marvel at.

 

[bluto]

I was talking to local LEO today who suggested that he could routinely hit four inch groups at 100 yds. with his Glock 19 w/ compensted barrel.

Five shots offhand once in awhile? Maybe. Routinely? Ho. Ho. Ho.

Medula Oblongata - That's some very nice shooting. That Elite is some blaster. Now I'm not a big Glock fan. I only own a G22 and I shoot it very rarely. But I think Glocks are probably capable of pretty good accuracy. Mine does have a KKM match barrel and I can shoot all my Sigs more accurately, but Glocks do have potential. I think with practice I could probably tighten up those groups a bit more.

I circled the one that got away @ 25yds.

 

[gaven]

(I just have never seen a glock capable of better than 4" at 15 yards, and if memory serves, thats about what Glock claims.)


THATS NOT REALLY ACCURATE, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU PRACTICE AND HOW MUCH YOU SHOOT . AT 15 YARDS I CAN SHOOT EMPTY SHOTGUN SHELLS OFF THE BACKBOARDS WITH MY G-19. IM NOT SAYING I CAN HIT THEM EVERY SHOT BUT I CAN SET UP 4 OF THEM AND CLEAN THEM OFF BEFORE THE CLIPS EMPTY. BUT I SHOOT A LOT ALSO.

 

[Desertscout]

Desertscout-

I'm not going to call you a liar. In fact, if you say its so, I have no reason not to believe you. I just have never seen a glock capable of better than 4" at 15 yards, and if memory serves, thats about what Glock claims.

But if yours is capable, I'd sure like to see the pictures!

My shop and my range is open to anyone at anytime that would like contest my claims. If one claims that their Glock is not accurate and would be willing to bring it with them, I'm betting that we could either prove otherwise or fix it.

The first pic is two different groups of 5 shots each from a standing position at 7 yards with my G17. The bottom group is a little sloppy but the top one would have been a one-bullet-diameter hole had I not pulled the third shot out at about11:00.


This pic is my G34 when it was new with no mods. 9 of the 10 shots are in less than 2.5". This group was fired from a kneeling position at 20 yards. This gun will do considerably better than this with my handloads.


This group is out of my G23 at 21 yards from a kneeling position. The 3 shots on the left were Independence 165 gr. FMJ and are not part of the measured group which was 5 shots (PMC 165 gr. FMJ) in 2.25".


These are certainly not earth-shattering groups but I think it's safe to assume that they would improve considerably from a sandbag rest with a load that each gun likes.

I am available at any time to go to the range and substantiate my claims and pics.

 

[Texas48]

A similar post on another forum prompted me to do something I’ve been needing to do for awhile anyhow; unlimber my old S&W Model 29-2.

I’ve shot a lot of 29’s & 629’s over the years, and owned several. I settled on the 4” barrel long ago as being the best compromise of power, accuracy & portability. The keeper of the bunch has been an old nickel 29-2 from about 1980.

Anyhow I dug the old gun out and hung a B27 at 100 yards. I was shooting my standard hunting load of a 250 Keith over 22 grains of Winchester 296. This isn’t a firewall load, and no I haven’t chronographed it yet. Judging from what my friends who have chrono’ed similar loads have told me, it’s humming along about 1200 fps from the 4” gun- enough to shoot through any whitetail. The load isn’t bad to shoot from the 4” gun.

I stapled a 6 ½ x 8 ½ inch piece of red construction paper over X, and started blazing away. First group was fired standing, over the pickup door. That one produced about all the flyers you see in the photo. The rest were fired over the cab, sitting in a lawn chair in the bed. The range bag was used for a rest.

By the third six I had all shots either on or cutting the red aiming point. They are highlighted in yellow and comprise a group of about six inches.

Most groups looked about like what you see below; four in 3 ½ inches, with flyers by yours truly making the total group about twice that size.

Targets and general plinking with a .44 at distance are great fun, but I probably won’t shoot at a deer much past 50 yards with it. On a good day the old gun will print 2-2 ½” groups at that distance, right on top of the front sight. I’m pronouncing it ready to hunt with.

 

[Desertscout]

Good shootin', Tex. That's about what I would expect out of a good gun, good load and a steady hand. My Super Blackhawk will perform similarly with my fave pet load which is a hard-cast, gas-checked 300 Gr. WFN over 22.5 gr. of 296.

 

[Hanzo581]

Desertscout

I think the point was the guy what talking about the LEO hitting those groups with a standard Glock at 100 yards, not 21 yards, or even 50, we are talking 100. It which case I would indeed bet a lot on him lying, rest or no rest

 

[Desertscout]

I think the point was the guy what talking about the LEO hitting those groups with a standard Glock at 100 yards, not 21 yards, or even 50, we are talking 100. It which case I would indeed bet a lot on him lying, rest or no rest

That's true but I was also challenged over my earlier post so I just posted some pics.

 

[Texas48]

Thanks Scout,

I used to shoot almost the exact same load you mentioned (my 300's were sans the gas check) from this old gun and a Redhawk...they're even more accurate than the 250's. But the load was a bit much for the old 29, and loosened her up until S&W got her back for a rebuild. And a fine job they did.

I'll have tone that 300 grain load down a tad and try it again. Good work with the poly-popper, BTW.

 

[Desertscout]

That is a pretty stiff load but I killed 2 elk and several deer with it and it dropped them all like they'd been hit by lightning. I used it mainly in my Redhawk also but they worked fine in the SBH. With the GC, they even shoot pretty well in my little rifle.
My old stand-by load for my SBH is 22.6 grains of 296 over a 240 grain JHP or JSP.

 

[Desertscout]

My apologies. I din't mean to imply that you DID call me a liar and I didn't take it that way but the tone still seemed a little challenging. I was just trying to substantiate my posts.

 

[Desertscout]

I like to see pics of targets and the guns that shot them.

And here's the guns that shot them...

 

[Desertscout]

Yeah, they've had just about everything done to them that we do here. Being my personal guns, they are the ones that get experimented on evrytime we start something new. Grip reduction, stippling, forward "cocking" grooves, rounded trigger guard, oval extended mag release, extended slide stop, night sights and some trigger work pretty much covers it. I've a couple of DuraCoated ones too.
As long as it's something I can use, I actually insist on permanently altering my gun. I hate having to adjust or re-do temporary stuff.

 

[Bix]

popular video

This is not a four-inch group; but it is a Glock 19 at 100 yards [using express sights, to boot].

http://www.xssights.com/assets/XS_Sights_Demo_LoRes-1.wmv

 

[pablo45]

A couple of year's ago gun's and weapon's magazine did a field test with certain firearm's to test this theory. They used a glock23,a walther p99, and a les baer 1911. They started out at 25 yard's then went all the way to 200 yard's (no bench rest or anything like that). The 1911 was able to acheive that 4 inch group and the glock and walther were not to far behind. Even at 200 yard's they were able to hit the target( which was a human size) 2 out of 4 time's. After reading that nothing would suprise me about the compact pistol's and shooter's. I found it to be a great article wish i still had it to post the exact spec's.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

IMO your friend is exaggerating the range while simultaneously shrinking the group size. Four inches at 100 yards is 4 MOA. An exceptional Glock might be capable mechanically of 2 inches at 25 yards, which would be 8 MOA. Couple that with the rather poor sight picture (if he is still using the standard open sights), I would venture to say it is an impossibility.

 

[Desertscout]

An exceptional Glock might be capable mechanically of 2 inches at 25 yards, which would be 8 MOA. Couple that with the rather poor sight picture (if he is still using the standard open sights), I would venture to say it is an impossibility.

For the most part, what you say is true but it certainly does NOT take an "exceptional" Glock to shoot 2" at 25 yards. Most any Glock with ammo that it likes and a good hand behind the wheel can do that. I would certainly agree about the sight picture though.

 

[MachIVshooter]

100 yard 4" groups with a service pistol are all but impossible, even from a ransom. 12" offhand 100 yard groups from a service pistol are possible, but not easy. Best I can do consistently with such a handgun from a standing position (one or two hands) at 100 yards is put all or nearly all the rounds on the lid of a 55 gallon drum. That's nearly a 2 foot target. I would doubt the average LEO could even pull that off.

Heck, sub-4 MOA groups offhand with scoped rifle are not easy.

I own 3 pistols that I can routinely shoot 2.5-4 MOA @ 100 yards (off sand bags). All three have fixed barrels and optical sights. They are a Kel-Tec PLR-16, A Desert Eagle 6" .50 and a 6-7/8" Ruger Mk II Gov't. Target.

 

[JohnKSa]

I've never managed much better than 10 shots into 3" at 25 yards with a Glock--that would be about 12MOA. The best 10 shot 25 yard group that I've ever gotten with a handgun was maybe 1.5" at 25 yards with a Ruger MkII Target. That's still 6MOA.

There are probably people who can shoot 4MOA at 100 yards with a handgun. I doubt they're using Glocks.

 

[Desertscout]

I doubt they're using Glocks....

or Sigs or Kimbers or HK's or Berettas or.....