Glock Converts... explain!
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SirPorl
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Glocks are nice but.....
Glocks are quality handguns no doubt about it. I am not all to crazy about the look of them but what I don't like about them most is in that I just can't grip them very well. The grips seem and feel too fat my my hands. Not as comfy for me as my CZs.
SirPorl
Glocks are quality handguns no doubt about it. I am not all to crazy about the look of them but what I don't like about them most is in that I just can't grip them very well. The grips seem and feel too fat my my hands. Not as comfy for me as my CZs.
SirPorl
Want tennifer in a pistol with decent ergonomics? Get a Walther P99. With the pending death of the AWB, there will be a window to address the lack of full cap mags, which is the only shortcoming this pistol line really suffers from if they ever get a universal rail.
I keep trying to like Glocks, especially the G20, but I can't bring myself to do it. The grip angle was always a huge turn off and now the poorly thought out height of the finger grooves is a deal killer.
I keep trying to like Glocks, especially the G20, but I can't bring myself to do it. The grip angle was always a huge turn off and now the poorly thought out height of the finger grooves is a deal killer.
Lawyerman
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I bought my first Glock an M19 in 1988 or 89. At any rate it was so new that it came in a model 17 box. In the 15 years since I bought it it has not had a single parts failure or jam. This includes my less than great quality reloads assembled at the kitchen table as I learned how to "roll my own". It includes at least one case of Corrosive as all heck Egyptian +p machine gun ammo. It includes several trips to shooting schools where high round counts are the norm. For the whopping price of $425, complete with two extra magazines no less. Yes, I have replaced the crummy plastic sights with a set of Novaks. Exactly the same as 99% of 1911's have had to have done until about 1998.
Glocks are tools, not toys. Like so many others I wanted to hate them but they work too well for that. I am willing to throw my Glock across a parking lot without hesitation. I don't know too many guys that will do that with their Les Baer's and Wilsons- Clint Smith notwithstanding (he get's it). As far as I'm concerned if you aren't willing to do that, it's just a toy not a tool!
Glocks are tools, not toys. Like so many others I wanted to hate them but they work too well for that. I am willing to throw my Glock across a parking lot without hesitation. I don't know too many guys that will do that with their Les Baer's and Wilsons- Clint Smith notwithstanding (he get's it). As far as I'm concerned if you aren't willing to do that, it's just a toy not a tool!
CZ52GUY
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Simple, reliable, combat-accurate (trigger does take some getting used to).
It's not a work of art, but it's a tool that does the job.
I've got 3-40's (23,22,35) enjoy them all.
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
It's not a work of art, but it's a tool that does the job.
I've got 3-40's (23,22,35) enjoy them all.
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
one45auto
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Holy $%@!!!!!
The image of my beloved Colt sparking off the pavement is too terrible to comtemplate....
CZ52GUY
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I am unwilling to toss a firearm unless I'm at slide-lock, out of ammo', and it's necessary to use it as an extended range blunt object weapon
.I did, however, once toss a Fobus Paddle well to the right of the Peanut Gallery at a competition...but that's another story
.Safe shooting,
CZ52'
dairycreek
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I once owned six Glocks...............
and now I don't own any! I liked each and every one of the Glocks I owned, particularly the G26. But I have never been able to get used to (or feel comfortable with) the so called "Safe Action" part. Rational? Probably not but that's the fact of the matter. So, no more Glocks for me. Good shooting
and now I don't own any! I liked each and every one of the Glocks I owned, particularly the G26. But I have never been able to get used to (or feel comfortable with) the so called "Safe Action" part. Rational? Probably not but that's the fact of the matter. So, no more Glocks for me. Good shooting
gulogulo1970
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I bought my first as a protest purchase(whenever the government bans a gun I run out and buy one even if I don't want or need it) because of the 1994 over ten shot magazine ban.
I was and still am to some extent a 1911 guy but hated 9mm's so I found the highest capacity 40S&W I could find a 15+1 Glock 22. I used to make fun of my friends who had some really ugly plastic guns. I used to be ashamed for them. Then I shot my new Glock 22 and loved it. Trigger is funky but it remindes me of a two stage trigger with a weird take up, little more pressure, Bang! But what sold me is how well I shoot them. It's like pointing my finger and a bullet hole appears wherever I want it to. I don't shoot any other handguns as well. I guess that stange grip angle was made for me. Now I own four different Glocks(17C, 22, 23, 36) and only one 1911. Never thought that would happen.
I was and still am to some extent a 1911 guy but hated 9mm's so I found the highest capacity 40S&W I could find a 15+1 Glock 22. I used to make fun of my friends who had some really ugly plastic guns. I used to be ashamed for them. Then I shot my new Glock 22 and loved it. Trigger is funky but it remindes me of a two stage trigger with a weird take up, little more pressure, Bang! But what sold me is how well I shoot them. It's like pointing my finger and a bullet hole appears wherever I want it to. I don't shoot any other handguns as well. I guess that stange grip angle was made for me. Now I own four different Glocks(17C, 22, 23, 36) and only one 1911. Never thought that would happen.
CZ100B
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My Glock 29 is purely a tool. It will not fail me if I need it, and I don't care if it gets messed up in the process.
None of my other firearms are that way to me, I have a cow if they even get a scratch.
Jeremy
None of my other firearms are that way to me, I have a cow if they even get a scratch.
Jeremy
I've done things to a Glock that would make most really cringe, and they keep on ticking. They WORK, plain and simple. Yeah the trigger sucks at first, no it isn't anything like a tuned _________, but when you need a gun that WORKS you can grab a Glock without reservation. Put a little time in on the range and the trigger, just as Glock supplied it right out of the box, is quite useable and does not present a problem. Most should 'learn to shoot' before they complain about it, poor trigger control on the part of the operator gets blamed on the gun far too often.
Glocks WORK, and if the operator is a even halfway decent shot they are PLENTY accurate for anything a defensive handgun would ever need to do.
Glocks WORK, and if the operator is a even halfway decent shot they are PLENTY accurate for anything a defensive handgun would ever need to do.
shooting4fun
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G'day All,
Quite a bit on the subject matter has been said on this thread already. Good stuff too. My spin on Glocks has a similar tone with those issues already mentioned. I'll add to the discussion. The area that I truly appreciate is the maintainability. I shoot a bit for casual entertainment purposes so I rack up the round count significantly on all my firearms. The Glocks seem to take the use, and occasional abuse in better stride than the other patterns that I own.
Case in point, during longer matches, 200 + rounds or so, the Glocks just keep running without a hint of hesitation or function issues. Other patterns will show something to tell me that they are getting to the outside edge of the operational window of things.
In my overall assessment of handguns, I want it to runâ€.†I can live with that. Similarly in my entertainment pursuits, if the gun runs well I can focus what I'm doing rather be distracted by having to worry about with the thing cycle or function till I finish the stage. Malfunction drills with the Glocks are pretty rare. When they do, they're pretty easy to deal with. Rack and go!
Get out there and enjoy the shooting sports! Cheers!
Quite a bit on the subject matter has been said on this thread already. Good stuff too. My spin on Glocks has a similar tone with those issues already mentioned. I'll add to the discussion. The area that I truly appreciate is the maintainability. I shoot a bit for casual entertainment purposes so I rack up the round count significantly on all my firearms. The Glocks seem to take the use, and occasional abuse in better stride than the other patterns that I own.
Case in point, during longer matches, 200 + rounds or so, the Glocks just keep running without a hint of hesitation or function issues. Other patterns will show something to tell me that they are getting to the outside edge of the operational window of things.
In my overall assessment of handguns, I want it to runâ€.†I can live with that. Similarly in my entertainment pursuits, if the gun runs well I can focus what I'm doing rather be distracted by having to worry about with the thing cycle or function till I finish the stage. Malfunction drills with the Glocks are pretty rare. When they do, they're pretty easy to deal with. Rack and go!
Get out there and enjoy the shooting sports! Cheers!
PieThatCorner
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The first Glock I shot was a G17 9mm... that was over ten years ago and I was completely unimpressed, disinterested, and besides, it looked fairly ugly to me. All that and regardless of the fact that I was printing an impressive group in the ten-ring at 7 yards. I attributed it to the suprise break from not being used to the Glock.
Fast forward to last year; I went shooting with a buddy who had a G21 .45... it still seemed just as ugly to me, but it felt very comfortable to hold and shoot - the recoil was very tame. On top of that, again, I was printing a tight group in the ten-ring. To qualify this, all I can say is that I think I have questionable talent in getting my bullets on target and I never really spend enough quality time on a range - thus, my lousy skills. But I do believe I actually exercise better form and am capable of shooting more consistently accurate with my Glocks. So at the time, I contemplated... hmmmmm.... perhaps there is something to these Glocks.
A month afterwards, I figured what the Hell... just for a day, I'll quit being such a cheap bastard and buy one already! So I picked up a G21 and no regrets whatsoever. I now own three Glocks in two different calibers (.45 & .40). As my wife likes to point out, and I'll repeat it here for its comedic quality, (the statement, not my wife) "...it sure isn't very pretty-looking, is it... "
"Pretty looking?" Oh for cryin' out loud, it's a combat gun! It ain't 'sposed to be purdy!
But to my eyes, they're a thing of beauty. And with that, to each their own. A Glock just isn't for everyone. It certainly is not by a long shot the definitive gun of all guns. But it's definitely in a class all by itself. (Insert your own joke here
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-Jim
Fast forward to last year; I went shooting with a buddy who had a G21 .45... it still seemed just as ugly to me, but it felt very comfortable to hold and shoot - the recoil was very tame. On top of that, again, I was printing a tight group in the ten-ring. To qualify this, all I can say is that I think I have questionable talent in getting my bullets on target and I never really spend enough quality time on a range - thus, my lousy skills. But I do believe I actually exercise better form and am capable of shooting more consistently accurate with my Glocks. So at the time, I contemplated... hmmmmm.... perhaps there is something to these Glocks.
A month afterwards, I figured what the Hell... just for a day, I'll quit being such a cheap bastard and buy one already! So I picked up a G21 and no regrets whatsoever. I now own three Glocks in two different calibers (.45 & .40). As my wife likes to point out, and I'll repeat it here for its comedic quality, (the statement, not my wife) "...it sure isn't very pretty-looking, is it... "
"Pretty looking?" Oh for cryin' out loud, it's a combat gun! It ain't 'sposed to be purdy!
But to my eyes, they're a thing of beauty. And with that, to each their own. A Glock just isn't for everyone. It certainly is not by a long shot the definitive gun of all guns. But it's definitely in a class all by itself. (Insert your own joke here
) -Jim
I went from liking what I read about Glocks to disliking how I shot the Glocks, to trying most everything else, to trying the large frame Glocks, to loving the Glock 20-10mm. Other than a Colt Python or Freedom Arms 97, the Glock 20 has become my favorite.
I wanted to like the 1911, I really did, but the big Glock 20 has proven best for me. (sorry J.M.Browning)
I wanted to like the 1911, I really did, but the big Glock 20 has proven best for me. (sorry J.M.Browning)
I bought a Glock 17 in 1986. It came with 2 Hi Cap magazines and I bought a third for $26.
I was in my local gunshop looking at a lot of pistols (I was a wood and steel lover), the salesman handed this square slide, plastic, funny looking (ugly) gun.
I really wasn't thinking about a "plastic" gun, but I closed my eyes, held the gun out at arms length, opened my eyes and I was looking at a perfect sight picture!
I bought the gun! I have never regretted it. After many thousands of rounds, the gun still shoots as good as it did when it was new.
Considering the 3 Hi Cap magazines are worth more then I paid for the gun, not a bad deal at all.
I also have 2 KelTecs, a P-11 and a P-32 and love all of my "Plastic" guns.
I was in my local gunshop looking at a lot of pistols (I was a wood and steel lover), the salesman handed this square slide, plastic, funny looking (ugly) gun.
I really wasn't thinking about a "plastic" gun, but I closed my eyes, held the gun out at arms length, opened my eyes and I was looking at a perfect sight picture!
I bought the gun! I have never regretted it. After many thousands of rounds, the gun still shoots as good as it did when it was new.
Considering the 3 Hi Cap magazines are worth more then I paid for the gun, not a bad deal at all.
I also have 2 KelTecs, a P-11 and a P-32 and love all of my "Plastic" guns.
Would not buy one today but it was the ULTIMATE when I first started shooting. As time went on, however, I moved away from Glocks and went to 1911's and revolvers. Same thing for hi-cap's when I first started out. Hi-caps were not an option but a must (after watching Red Dawn and/or Zombie flicks). Had to have a G19, Beretta 92, etc. but now I find 8, 6, or 5 are plenty. Won't slight someone for owning one (other than in playful banter) but Glocks did not age well with me.
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Whenever I take newbies out shooting handguns I always throw in one or two of Gastons Terrorist weapon of choice (anyone remember Jack Anderson's article?) along with a 1911, the CZ75, a 586 and/or a 29 and either a MKII or Buckmark. Everyone of them ends up preferring the Glocks.
When asked why, responses typically fall into these three:
"It's lighter."
"I'm more accurate with it."
"I don't know. It just feels right."
One couple later bought a 17, another bought a 19. One petite female bought a 21!
And since they all know I've got a 26, they really want to shoot the babyglock, but due to grip size prefer something with more handle to it, I guess.
People who have shot a lot tend to go for the 1911, the CZ or the 586/29.
Everyone loves shooting the .22's, but the newbies will expend more of my ammo in the Glocks.
They're nice to own and shoot. Not the end all be all.
I do carry the 26 daily cause it's small and light, it always goes bang and I feel confident in my placement of rounds downrange.
Before the glocks came on the scene it was either a 1911 or a .357.
When asked why, responses typically fall into these three:
"It's lighter."
"I'm more accurate with it."
"I don't know. It just feels right."
One couple later bought a 17, another bought a 19. One petite female bought a 21!
And since they all know I've got a 26, they really want to shoot the babyglock, but due to grip size prefer something with more handle to it, I guess.
People who have shot a lot tend to go for the 1911, the CZ or the 586/29.
Everyone loves shooting the .22's, but the newbies will expend more of my ammo in the Glocks.
They're nice to own and shoot. Not the end all be all.
I do carry the 26 daily cause it's small and light, it always goes bang and I feel confident in my placement of rounds downrange.
Before the glocks came on the scene it was either a 1911 or a .357.
Exactly how I feel about Ruger BlackHawks, bought 3, 2ea 44 mags, 1 ea 41 mag. I wanted to like them, I tried to like them, I tried again to like them figuring I was picky or wrong, there just not good pistols for me.
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I have found younger shooters fall into this group, older shooters seem to like the all metal guns. When I go to the range I must admit it isn't really fair comparing a Glock to a Colt Python, most new shooters like the Python, auto's in general are intimidating to new shooters, it takes some time shooting before they seem to get comfortable with the auto's be it a Glock, a 1911, Sig, or a CZ.
Glocks are OK, not a 1911, BHP, or a S&W or Colt wheelgun, but that isn't all bad, I like mine, shoot it well, not much more to say except every gun collection should have at least one.
When I first shot a Glock I also didn't like it. The grip felt like a brick and the trigger a sponge. I only liked single action pistols like the BHP and the 1911. When I started thinking about a carry gun, is when the Glock started looking good to me because I didn't want to carry cocked and locked. The trigger is shorter than a traditional DAO and it has a very short reset. With some dry firing practice I started to like the trigger. The more I shot it the more I liked the consistent trigger. The finish is great for a carry gun and it is very easy to take down and clean. A lot of people don't like the grip angle, I found out that the grip angle fits if I naturally extend my arm out in front of me with my fist closed, all my other guns I have to cock my wrist up a little. So I think the glock grip would be better in a stressful situation, but I know any grip angle can become natural with enough time and practice.
I came across a good deal on a G21 and ended up buying it. truth be told, I hated the thing. The grip was like a 2x4, the trigger was mushy with a mile of overtravel, and the sight were garbage. Now, a couple thousand rounds later, the grip has grown on me, I've installed meps, and modified the trigger to be very crisp with no overtravel. It still lacks a soul, but I can shoot the thing as well, if not better, than some of 1911 guys at my local range.
I don't mind if it gets scratched, which is near impossible with the Glock finish. I won't mind if I have to use it, and the cops take it into evidence. I don't feel bad about shooting the snot out of it and possibly wearing it out. I like being able detail strip it in the time takes some to field strip, and to do any and all work needed on it. I like having 14 rounds of .45 ready to go. I like the consistent 'safe action' trigger pull from shot to shot. In short, I like Glocks.
I don't mind if it gets scratched, which is near impossible with the Glock finish. I won't mind if I have to use it, and the cops take it into evidence. I don't feel bad about shooting the snot out of it and possibly wearing it out. I like being able detail strip it in the time takes some to field strip, and to do any and all work needed on it. I like having 14 rounds of .45 ready to go. I like the consistent 'safe action' trigger pull from shot to shot. In short, I like Glocks.
I guess I'm a classic, if not partial, "convert". I started with SIGs and Berettas, then over the years gravitated to 1911's. After having sampled some of the finest all-around guns out there, when I became serious about carrying, I picked up a couple of Kahrs (a PM9 and a K40) and a couple of Glocks (a G36 and a G32). In the end, the looooong trigger reset on the Kahr, while nice and smooth, just takes too long to hit the sweet spot. The Glocks are, for me, the best carry compromise (I only carry IWB): reliable, plenty accurate for defense, snag free, pretty narrow for IWB, tough finish, lack of external safeties is lefty-friendly... pop them into a Kydex Comp-Tac holster and you're good-to-go.
I shoot them every time I go to the range because I need to stay familiar with my carry guns. But I look forward to putting them aside and taking out the guns I really love to shoot - 1911's. For a home defense handgun (to back up a shotgun), I have a SIG P220ST. If I hit the trail I'd take a S&W .357magnum. But for concealed carry, I have Glocks.
I shoot them every time I go to the range because I need to stay familiar with my carry guns. But I look forward to putting them aside and taking out the guns I really love to shoot - 1911's. For a home defense handgun (to back up a shotgun), I have a SIG P220ST. If I hit the trail I'd take a S&W .357magnum. But for concealed carry, I have Glocks.
I fullfilled my niche with a G19C.
Decked out by the Glockmiester with 3.5 trigger, night sights, springs, etc. everything he suggested except the extended mag release. Unless you shoot competitively I would not get it. The slightest bump and it's gone.
Great pistol.
Decked out by the Glockmiester with 3.5 trigger, night sights, springs, etc. everything he suggested except the extended mag release. Unless you shoot competitively I would not get it. The slightest bump and it's gone.
Great pistol.
antediluvianist
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guns are just launchers
A handgun is just a launcher for the bullet, the projectile that actually makes contact with the person trying to kill you.
A Glock is a simple, reliable, low- maintenance launcher.
Simplicity = 33 parts only and no manual safety to forget to flick off or external hammer to snag; reliability that is as good as any other semi-auto and far better than most; a design that does not need much maintenance.
Add in a nearly indestructible, non-rusting frame, and a tennifer finish.
So, I switched to a Glock from a 1911 and a Tanfoglio. A simpler, more reliable, lower-maintenance bullet-launcher.
For looks, marry a beautiful woman.
A handgun is just a launcher for the bullet, the projectile that actually makes contact with the person trying to kill you.
A Glock is a simple, reliable, low- maintenance launcher.
Simplicity = 33 parts only and no manual safety to forget to flick off or external hammer to snag; reliability that is as good as any other semi-auto and far better than most; a design that does not need much maintenance.
Add in a nearly indestructible, non-rusting frame, and a tennifer finish.
So, I switched to a Glock from a 1911 and a Tanfoglio. A simpler, more reliable, lower-maintenance bullet-launcher.
For looks, marry a beautiful woman.
Amish_Bill
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A fair number of Glocks have passed through my hands over time. I only have one right now, and that's just because it has a novelty serial number.
They have two major problems in my eyes.
1) The trigger mounted safety huts my finger. I've carved them down to be flush with the surface of the trigger at full engagement, and they are more bearbale, but it still annoys me.
2) I cannot take the grip angle. I've done the "close your eyes, preent the gun, and open your eyes" bit with them. Without fail I have a good view of the chamber between the front and rear sights.
I'm not willing to attempt training myself to present it straight out as many have suggested. First, it's fighting against my natural mechanics. Why swim upstream when you don't have to. Second, none of my other handguns point this way. Why should I should I train for a strange grip that may hurt how I present other guns?
This situation used to really bug me. Here was a plain, durable, functional weapon that I could not get to like.
Then I found the Walther P99. Except for that blasted proprietary rail, it's everything that Glock did right, and nothing they did wrong. The trigger is wider and does not have that rail in it. The grip is user adjustable. It has a superior magazine release. I believe the slide is even finished the same way. Now, as soon as the ban goes away I can stock up on stainless full-cap mags and I'll be SOO happy!
They have two major problems in my eyes.
1) The trigger mounted safety huts my finger. I've carved them down to be flush with the surface of the trigger at full engagement, and they are more bearbale, but it still annoys me.
2) I cannot take the grip angle. I've done the "close your eyes, preent the gun, and open your eyes" bit with them. Without fail I have a good view of the chamber between the front and rear sights.
I'm not willing to attempt training myself to present it straight out as many have suggested. First, it's fighting against my natural mechanics. Why swim upstream when you don't have to. Second, none of my other handguns point this way. Why should I should I train for a strange grip that may hurt how I present other guns?
This situation used to really bug me. Here was a plain, durable, functional weapon that I could not get to like.
Then I found the Walther P99. Except for that blasted proprietary rail, it's everything that Glock did right, and nothing they did wrong. The trigger is wider and does not have that rail in it. The grip is user adjustable. It has a superior magazine release. I believe the slide is even finished the same way. Now, as soon as the ban goes away I can stock up on stainless full-cap mags and I'll be SOO happy!
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Amish_Bill
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Very true. Unfortunately, that's where some people stop in their logic process. At some point, you have to ask "Can the user actually operate this tool properly, easily and comfortably?"
I really wish I could answer that in the affirmative in regard to Glocks. I'm apparently in the minority on this. The fact that Robar offers grip reductions must mean that enough of us exist to make the conversion profitable. Someday I'll have to track down a Glock that's had it's grip reduced. I'd like to see how it fits my hand.
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