Glock for first time owner?

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Revolver, hands down. THE gun for new shooters and especially "non gun-people". These folks come into my shop quite a bit, they're buying a gun for the same reason they bought a fire extinguisher. Revolvers have a manual of arms that's way, way, way simpler than any auto, glocks included. They have much lower maintaince requirements, and require less of a training committment. DAO or hammerless revolvers are even better, I wish they made an L-frame Centennial 7-shot .357....


DanO
 
Great first firearm. These are the thoughts that come to mind when comparing a Glock to other firearms such as the higher priced firearms like HK or most 1911s, revolver shortcomings, reliability, feeding issues, and maintenance trouble/costs of automatic pistols.

Here are my thoughts to the beginner shooter (as well as those of us who are not);

1. Its not going to have the jaming problems that most of the autos have.
2. Its simple to clean/maintenance.
3. Easy to shoot as there are no mechanisms to distract a new shooter while learning
4. Has enough ammunition in the magazine to make range sessions worth while
5. High quality firearm for a reasonable price

There is nothing safety-wise that would prompt me to tell a new shooter to not use a Glock. If a shooter really needs a mechanical push button safety to keep their finger off the trigger and squeezing it... they might need a better instructor :D
 
It all comes down to what level of training they are willing to get. If reading the owner's manual is about it, then the .38spl revolver is the way to go. If they want to get instruction and they want an auto, then the 9mm Glock is a good first choice. I prefer the NY-1 trigger for defensive pistols,myself. An auto with a safety makes loading and unloading a bit safer, but I would only suggest it for a person that wants it. Regardless, I would recommend a maglight flashlight to go along with the SD weapon.
 
Personally, I would never, ever recommend a Glock for a first-time owner, let alone someone without firearm experience.

I would recommend a .357 revolver, personally.
I would never recommend a .357 even if I would recommended a revolver. I'd have to go with a .38. But then, for a first gun, I personally will always recommend a .22 as they seem to keep people going back to the range.

In the OP's case, I'd still go with the Glock, probably a 19.
 
Apparently, the population of this country is so stupid that the majority of its members cannot figure out the controls of a semi-automatic pistol. I suspect this is the result of public school education.
 
Revolver

As a handgun newbie, it is much easier for me to tell that a wheelgun is loaded than a semi. For me, that counts for a lot.

--middlechainringguy
 
As a handgun newbie, it is much easier for me to tell that a wheelgun is loaded than a semi. For me, that counts for a lot.

--middlechainringguy

No offense, but how difficult is it to pull the slide back a centimeter to check the status of a weapon.

In reality, the first rule of handling a gun is assuming it is always loaded. Anytime I handle firearms, whether they are mine or not, I assume they are loaded and always check the weapons status.

I agree with:
If a shooter really needs a mechanical push button safety to keep their finger off the trigger and squeezing it... they might need a better instructor.

Well said.
 
Stay away from the Glock 36 as a first gun. :(

I'm not happy with mine, and the consensus on Glocktalk is that the 36 is Glock's only stinker.
 
I always thought that a 12 gauge shotgun was recommended for home defense...not a bad first gun either. I started on rifles myself..
 
Actually I suggested a shotgun first but they did not want one. They wanted a handgun for several different reasons that made sense to me.
 
As a handgun newbie, it is much easier for me to tell that a wheelgun is loaded than a semi. For me, that counts for a lot.

--middlechainringguy

Umm...my guns are always assumed loaded...

As far as seeing which is "actually" loaded...well it takes as much work to open a cylinder as it does to check a slide. And with a loaded chamber indicator (as much as I hate WHY they are there) it is even easier with an auto...

The HD gun is always loaded...both assumed and actual. And it is a Glock.
 
From the blog of the immortal Tamara:

Somewhere in America today, a woman is going to operate a doorknob, lock a deadbolt, operate an alarm remote, and operate a door handle. She will then operate an ignition switch and a seatbelt latch, manipulate clutch and gas and brake pedals while simultaneously rowing a gear selector and working a turn indicator switch. Arriving at her destination, she will manipulate all these controls again in reverse order, walk into the gun store, and be told by some bright spark with a barely-room-temperature IQ: "These automatic pistols have too many complicated controls on 'em, honey; whatchoo need's a revolver."

pax
 
For me the dividing line as far as recommendations go comes down to this: Is this someone who is sufficiently "into guns" to be able to field-strip a semi-auto and apply periodic basic maintenance? Someone who can deal with jams? Someone aware enough to be able to check if a gun is loaded?

I personally think semi-autos are a lot easier to shoot than revolvers but that doesn't mean they are right for many gun users.
 
I don't think anyone should own a gun without proper instruction - load indicators are fairly useless - they are very difficult to see and besides - every gun should be treated as if it is loaded! so the thought that revolvers are safer doesn't make sense to me - if a novice is irresponsible enough to pick up a weapon and fling it around and pull the trigger without checking it shouldn't own ANY firearm - revolver or auto.

So I think a Glock would be a great first gun for someone who should own a gun.
 
Revolver ,


biggest problem with my G/F was racking the slide . she also had an issue with limp wristing . She has a Stainless Taurus 5 shot 357 for carry ( loaded with 38 +p ), and a S&W mod 65 3" for house work , no more problems and she is much more comfortable with the wheelie gun . YMMV .
 
I think it all depends on how iterested/motivated someone is about getting a gun.

I bought a CZ 52 (my first handgun) when I was quite young (I have great parents). I saw an article about it in an issue of American Handgunner, and had to have one. CZ 52's aren't to hard to field strip and clean, but they are harder than a revo. I was so motivated to learn everything I could about the gun that I actually learned how to field strip the gun before I even held it in my hands.

If a person is motivated enough, he/she can learn how to operate any type of firearm.
 
Revolver every time. If the glock jams (could be the ammunition's fault, or bad handling/slide getting caught in clothing... don't jump on me re: glock reliability) these newbie's aren't going to have a clue how to get the gun back into action quickly. Forget about clearing a double feed. Revolvers don't have feed/cycle problems. They can easily be checked for loaded/unloaded without the excessively stiff resistance of the slide. Any time you drop all the rounds out of the cylinder you are absolutely sure the gun is unloaded - there can't be another round in the chamber and you can't accidentally rack the slide before you drop the magazine (and for those saying that it's simple and anyone can do it...'i'm the only one in this room professional enuf....' comes to mind...) New gun owners will not be familiar with the forces involved and will fall into mistakes such as trying to pull the slide back w/ the finger inside trigger guard, etc.

If i don't know someone personally enough to know how much attention they pay to these kinds of details or how much time they will really spend learning how to use their gun and deal with malfunctions such as an incorrectly seated mag, double feed, failure to extract, etc. there's no way i'm recommending them a first gun of a glock w/ a 3-5lb extremely short (single action) trigger...DA revolver all the way. Sure, anyone CAN learn...but do really think these folks who are buying a gun purely reactively are going to spend that time to learn? Maybe they will, but the revolver doesn't require it of them to be secure in their operation of the firearm. Sure; in a perfect world everyone would be enthusiastic about guns like we are and learn as much as needed about them like we do... in the real world, people simply don't. Proceed to flame; this is merely my opinion. :)
 
There is nothing inherently sexist in recommending a revolver. My youngest brother, the odd duck in our firearms savvy family, finally got around to wanting a first home defense piece when he became a homeowner.

After gauging his level of interest in regularly shooting a handgun, which was low, I recommended a pump action shotgun.

He said his wife wouldn't ever want to fire that.

Back to handguns. I recommended the 3" fixed sight Ruger GP-100 in .357 and told him to load it up and the both of them practice with .38 Specials.

No external controls. Mucho weight to tame relatively little recoil. A gutter sight that takes no figuring out. That Ruger comes with a smaller factory grip that is liable to fit the both of them adequately. It can be left loaded indefinitely. An S&W Model 10 would be the second choice, primarily because they are as rare as hen's teeth at a reasonable price.

There is no more intuitive cleaning job than that of cleaning a revolver.

My varied experience with nieces and the wives of friends I have taken shooting before is that without prompting, they will, of their own volition gravitate to a revolver. That is based on two primary complaints. Several have had issues with racking slides, especially those invested in any nail work, and the other issue is fully loading magazines, especially on high cap 9mms and dealing with the brass. "Here, you do it." (Load mags, rack slides, or clean up) is not conducive to encouraging practice. Some lasses I have had out shooting especially disliked the odd hot casing striking them directly or on the rebound, or forcing them to borrow a hat. A general dislike of flying brass has also been reinforced at the end when the gals note that they aren't policing revolver brass, only auto brass--another inducement to practice if they own a revolver.

However, it is imperative that the revolver fit a gal's hand.

I might recommend a Glock to a noob who showed genuine interest in mastering it, but its way down the list of autos I'd recommend as a first pistol.

First, Glocks require a pull of the trigger to disassemble. Stories are legion where this is done out of sequence by the careless and one of the factors that gives Glocks their legendary ND anecdote rate.

Second, though people steadfastly compare Glocks to revolvers, it just ain't so. The closest are the NY triggered ones, which are not common. The standard Glock does not possess the margin for user error that a revolver's strong DA pull provides. Expecting perfect or seasoned gun handling out of a neophyte is asking a lot and Glocks are particularly unforgiving of poor handling.

DAO semi auto pistols with the traditional 8-12 pound consistent trigger pulls are more akin to revolvers than are the lighter triggered Glocks. There are plenty of slicksided autos out there for a first pistol, and most of them are perfectly serviceable S&W, Beretta, SIG, or other name brand police retirees.

I'd recommend any of those over a Glock for the potential non-enthusiast who doesn't want a revolver.
 
two standards for HD

My two standards for home defense; one of two pistols - S&W 686 in 38/357 or a GLOCK 21 in 45 acp, and a Remington 870 express loaded w/ 2 /34 inch in # 4 buckshot.
 
I agree with the initial post. I usually recommend a 22 for a first handgun, but if the interested party(s) are thinking self-defense at home, my first recommendation like Boats above is the 3" GP100 and shoot 38spl's through it with the ocasional magnums.... if you own one, you do want to feel the recoil. Second choice is a Glock 23 (40 S&W). With some practice, they will be completely safe. John Taffin said he'd choose a Glock for home defense every time.... they function almost perfectly out of the box.
 
"Somewhere in America today, a woman is going to operate a doorknob, lock a deadbolt, operate an alarm remote, and operate a door handle. She will then operate an ignition switch and a seatbelt latch, manipulate clutch and gas and brake pedals while simultaneously rowing a gear selector and working a turn indicator switch. Arriving at her destination, she will manipulate all these controls again in reverse order, walk into the gun store, and be told by some bright spark with a barely-room-temperature IQ: "These automatic pistols have too many complicated controls on 'em, honey; whatchoo need's a revolver."

Pax, I think our comments struck a nerve with you...

Unfortunately women are inferior...JUST KIDDING!!!!!

Seriously, many folks buy a gun without a hell of a lot of knowledge...and that's not segregated by sex.
I'd recommend a revolver for a first ime buyer, regardless of sex, unless they have had enough initiative to do some research about firearms.
Unfortunately, I don't think most folks do put too much effort into research...again, this applies to men and women.

You know, one of the other forums I frequent concerns Compact Tractors (bigger then lawn tractors, but smaller then farm tractors). I deal with a lot of the same mentality that I've seen with some gun novices (a lack of willingness to learn the mechanisms of their purchases). I try to be as tactful as possible when I write "you're too stupid to operate a tractor".
Of course, it's not really stupidity...it's laziness.
 
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