Glock Gen 4 Loaded Chamber Indicator = Holster Incompatible

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I ordered Itac Roto Paddle retention holsters for my wife and I last week. She has a 19 and I have a 27. I ordered after watching several favorable YouTube video reviews and seeing my father-in-laws firsthand. Last night for the first time I attempted to holster the pistols loaded and hot into their respective holsters. Much to my frustration and disappointment, I couldn't do it with either gun, for either holster. Why? The loaded chamber indicator (LCI) protrusions on the extractors of both guns renders both incompatible with their holster.

Has anyone experienced this dilemma? Do other holster manufacturers make accommodations for the Glock's LCI?

Thanks!
 
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That just doesn’t sound right. I own several retention type holsters and the presence or absence of Glock’s LCI is inconsequential. Mine all barely stick out … no more then the thickness of the raised piece. Do your guns fit in pa-inlaw's holster?

Can you adjust the holster’s grip tension for a less-tight fit? Several of mine have adjustment screws to do just that.

If all else fails, call customer service and get their take on your problem.
 
I ordered Itac Roro Paddle retention holsters
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Do you have a typo there? Should it be Roto?

http://itacdefense.com/ShowProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=5&CategoryID=149

Is there a screw tensioner between the paddle attachment and the holster body that would allow you to relieve some tension at the mouth of the holster. All of the retention is provided by that trigger guard lock, so you should be able to open up the mouth a bit without hurting the function of the holster.
 
As said, I can't imagine that tiny raised indicator causing difficulty. Is this your first foray into that type of retention holster?
 
You can't imagine it? Really? It's actually a pretty common concern for fitted kydex holsters. And in the case of this Itac holster, the loaded/hot weapon doesn't holster with the LCI protrusion. I'm starting to doubt that any of those who've responded thus far have a Gen 4 Glock or an Itac Roto Paddle Holster. If the combo doesn't work for my Glock 19 or Glock 27 -- for either of their respective Itac holsters, it would indicate a design defect. The engineers clearly did not contemplate the new Glock LCI. Yet you "can't imagine." Wow...
 
I've got a Gen 4 Glock 22, and haven't had any problem with the Blackhawk CQC retention holster, or the Fobus paddle holster. I've never tried the Itac, and it sounds like a good thing to avoid. Thanks for the warning.
 
You can't imagine it? Really? It's actually a pretty common concern for fitted kydex holsters. And in the case of this Itac holster, the loaded/hot weapon doesn't holster with the LCI protrusion. I'm starting to doubt that any of those who've responded thus far have a Gen 4 Glock or an Itac Roto Paddle Holster. If the combo doesn't work for my Glock 19 or Glock 27 -- for either of their respective Itac holsters, it would indicate a design defect. The engineers clearly did not contemplate the new Glock LCI. Yet you "can't imagine." Wow...
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First of all, this isn't new to Gen 4 Glocks. Second, what the hell do you want us to say? I gave you a suggestion to fix it, and said I've never experienced it, and ku4hx told you the only other solution, which is to call them. He also said he's never experienced it. It certainly appears we answered your questions.

Also, please explain how your experience with two guns and one holster can lead you to believe that no one here owns a Gen 4? :confused:
 
It's not one Itac holster. It's two Itac holsters. One for the Glock 27 and one for the Glock 19. In each instance, the LCI prevents insertion of the gun hot with the LCI protrusion.
 
Well then it's obviously a design flaw. Give them a call, let them know, and if they're any kind of decent, they'll refund, or if they know/fixed it/whatever, they'll send you a new one.

If not, well... make it fit.
 
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You can't imagine it? Really? It's actually a pretty common concern for fitted kydex holsters. And in the case of this Itac holster, the loaded/hot weapon doesn't holster with the LCI protrusion. I'm starting to doubt that any of those who've responded thus far have a Gen 4 Glock or an Itac Roto Paddle Holster. If the combo doesn't work for my Glock 19 or Glock 27 -- for either of their respective Itac holsters, it would indicate a design defect. The engineers clearly did not contemplate the new Glock LCI. Yet you "can't imagine." Wow...
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What I can imagine is a holster being slightly out of spec, or maybe squashed a bit in shipping and storage, or a holster in need of slight adjustment, or maybe user error (do your guns fit your father-in-law's holsters?) and any number of other things. I have an active imagination.

What I have trouble imagining is a holster maker being so poor at R&D they mass market a holster that won't allow the gun to be carried with a round in the chamber.

I do own a Gen4 19 (S/N RKK###) and no I don't own an Itac holster and never claimed I did. But retention holsters all have certain things in common, manufacturing process now days are not "craftsman" like processes and well ... "stuff" happens. And that "stuff" might be an out-of-spec extractor. You might even want to call Glock and talk to them about the problem. Who knows, they may have a free, redesigned, extractor with your name on it just waiting for you to call.
 
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Guys that don't carry guns but make or design holsters don't know to accommodate the subtleties of certain designs. It's alarming how often one encounters that.

The iTac is a cheap holster. Two seconds with a dremel would fix it.....but it's still a cheap holster.
 
Great minds think alike. That's what I'm planning to do as a less time consuming and frustrating alternative to calling Itac and arranging a return etc... I'm going to put a gob of copper anti-seize grease on the LCI protrusion on the extractor, when the weapon is not "hot," and insert the gun into the holster. I'll then use the resulting line of grease as the template and grind a groove for the LCI.

In all honesty, I'll likely simply throw both holsters in a drawer in the gun room and order a different holster. The point of this thread was to vent and warn others of this obvious design defect so they didn't waste their time like I did. Stay away from the ITAC.
 
I didn't know the Gen 4 had an LCI so I had to look up some pictures.

From what it looks like the LCI is much smaller than an XD LCI or even the Ruger SR pistols. I don't physically see why the LCI on a Glock would make or break a holster fit because it is so small.
 
It pokes out enough for it to catch on something if it's a slim fit. I can see how it's possible.
 
I have a Gen 4 G19. I have kydex retention holsters from concealment solutions. Push harder.
 
That holster is WAY TOO TIGHT around the slide if it is snagging on the LCI. Glock's LCIs are a joke in that they are soooooooooo small that they really don't indicate much of anything at all.
 
Glock's LCIs are a joke in that they are soooooooooo small that they really don't indicate much of anything at all.
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They're designed so you can run your finger across and feel whether there's one there or not. It's actually quite clear.
 
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The Ruger one is just insulting and excessive.
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Agreed! Extremely overdone. Sometimes I wonder how we have all survived to this point in life with older guns that did not have LCI's. We must have been really living on the edge.

I do not have an iTac but I have had no problems with my Gen 4 going in my kydex holster. Kinda makes me wonder if iTac just made their holsters for older gen's of Glock and figured it would work fine with the gen 4. Wouldn't take much to make it work.
 
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