Glock Jammed!!!

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Oh no!!! It happened 6 times with Remington UMC 115gr ball. I never had a jam with WWB 115gr ball. I noticed the Remington ammo felt 15% lighter in recoil compared to the Winchester. Even when mixing the two different brands of ammo in the same magazine, I could "feel" which shot was the Remington.

So not all ball is equal. What brands are on the "hot" side of things, as my Glock likes hot ammo and I need to buy more ammo.
 
If you know WWB works, you should look for more. Fiocchi is a tad on the warm side if I remember correctly and it's usually inexpensive and clean. However, it's not likely to be found on the shelves of your local Walmart. If you're going to order online, I would stick with what works for your Glock (apparently WWB).
 
I was surprised by the lightness of the Remington UMC. I will not buy them again.
 
It could also have been a bad lot. I haven't had problems with UMC, but I haven't run 'em over a chrono either. If your Glock was turning its nose up at it, I wouldn't it again either (not for that particular pistol,anyway).
 
Some CZs have had issues with that same brand of ammo. I haven't, my luck of the draw, but I haven't fired factory plinking ammo in years.
 
As I recall, many years ago in the Glock armorer manual they used to list the minimum recommended velocity for ammunition used in Glocks. While I have no idea what happened to that early 90's manual I used to have somewhere (the newer ones I have no longer list that info), as I recall the lower velocity threshold for a 115gr 9mm load was something like 1150-80fps. I can't remember exactly. I remember being struck by how close it came to the velocities sometimes listed by the ammo companies for their 115gr loads, though.

Check the factory stated velocities of some of the inexpensive 'budget' or bulk 9mm 115gr fmj loads (and remember the optimistic nature of factory ratings and the expected standard deviation that might be encountered), and it's hardly surprising that an occasional low powered 9mm load, using a light weight bullet, might not develop enough power to optimally cycle the slide.

Now, factor in the potential for an occasional 'less than optimally firm' locked wrist and/or shooting technique, and shooter fatigue during a range session ... and you can see how influences other than the low velocity loads might combine to lend themselves to an occasional short slide run or might adversely affect feeding 'timing'.

Why do you think that one of the usual manufacturer recommendations in armorer manuals (and not just Glock armorer manuals, either) is to try different ammunition if a functioning problem is experienced with one brand?

You apparently have determined that the Winchester USA product line works well in your Glock when it's being fired in your hands. right? ;) Nothing wrong with trying other brands (or bullet weights) so you can have alternative choices, but it might be prudent to consider the possibility to find that not all brands ... or all production lots of even a 'favorite' brand ... might offer you the optimal feeding & functioning you desire in your specific gun.

It's not uncommon to have an occasional low-powered, or even a short-loaded (often called a 'squib'), round slip through production, and that doesn't even take into consideration the potential for an out-of-spec or damaged round to slip through upon occasion (bad primer, reversed primer, no flash holes in the primer pocket, mangled case mouth or bullet, wrong powder charge, etc).

Here's a couple clickable thumbnails of a round one of our folks came across in a box of Winchester USA9JHP2 147gr loads (what folks on the internet like to call one of the WWB loads) during qualification one time. ;)
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I've seen similar things happen with even some of the expensive "premium" defensive loads, too, but it somehow seems less surprising when you come across it, or hear of it, happening with a budget/bulk load.

I used to collect examples of such out-of-spec or damaged factory loads encountered as a firearms instructor ... before I figured out that I didn't need to keep all those rounds. Nowadays I just keep a few examples of some of the more unusual or interesting occurrences, and that's only when I bother to remember to keep them. :)

It can happen at one time or another if you shoot enough rounds.

When you consider that some of the big makers have the capability to produce upwards of 1 million rounds within a 24 hour period, it's pretty impressive that they can keep their QC as high as they do, I'd think.

That's why it's probably prudent to test fire random samples from boxes, cases or production lots (depending on the quantities purchased) of ammunition which is going to be dedicated to defensive carry use, I'd think. I've heard one expert I respect in the field suggest that it might be a good idea to buy ammunition in case quantities, so some rounds from that case can be test fired for function in the user's specific pistol, and then the rest of the case can be kept aside for carry use.
 
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Only 2 failure to feed issues with the Remington UMC 115gr fmj in about 1500 rounds, G34. What type of "jam" are you experiencing?
 
As I recall, many years ago in the Glock armorer manual they used to list the minimum recommended velocity for ammunition used in Glocks. While I have no idea what happened to that early 90's manual I used to have somewhere (the newer ones I have no longer list that info), as I recall the lower velocity threshold for a 115gr 9mm load was something like 1150-80fps. I can't remember exactly. I remember being struck by how close it came to the velocities sometimes listed by the ammo companies for their 115gr loads, though.

Check the factory stated velocities of some of the inexpensive 'budget' or bulk 9mm 115gr fmj loads (and remember the optimistic nature of factory ratings and the expected standard deviation that might be encountered), and it's hardly surprising that an occasional low powered 9mm load, using a light weight bullet, might not develop enough power to optimally cycle the slide.

Now, factor in the potential for an occasional 'less than optimally firm' locked wrist and/or shooting technique, and shooter fatigue during a range session ... and you can see how influences other than the low velocity loads might combine to lend themselves to an occasional short slide run or might adversely affect feeding 'timing'.
The quoted muzzzle velocity for UMC is 1135 fps so it may well be that it is not quite powerful enough to cycle your slide. I had misfeeds with UMC when my Beretta 92FS was new and stiff, though UMC now feeds OK.

The unusual bullet profile of UMC (flat tip) might also have something to with the jams you are experiencing.
 
As I recall, many years ago in the Glock armorer manual they used to list the minimum recommended velocity for ammunition used in Glocks. While I have no idea what happened to that early 90's manual I used to have somewhere (the newer ones I have no longer list that info), as I recall the lower velocity threshold for a 115gr 9mm load was something like 1150-80fps. I can't remember exactly. I remember being struck by how close it came to the velocities sometimes listed by the ammo companies for their 115gr loads, though.

Glock slides are definitely on the lightweight side, which means that they pick up less inertia during the short recoil phase than they would otherwise, making them somewhat more sensitive to ammo power and limp-wristing than many other pistols (just guessing here, but it makes perfect sense from a physical point of view). Just hold it steady and feed it what it likes, though, and it will spit out rounds like clockwork.

Here's a couple clickable thumbnails of a round one of our folks came across in a box of Winchester USA9JHP2 147gr loads (what folks on the internet like to call one of the WWB loads) during qualification one time. ;)
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This is why I inspect each factory cartridge ahead of time. While underpowered loads and squibs can't be detected this way, a good number of other QC issues can be just by taking a quick look. I also make sure that all of the cartridges are level when in the box, obviously since bullets that are too deeply seated can potentially cause major problems. What I do is probably not uncommon at all, but I'm just restating it for any beginners who might want to be as careful.
 
RWS 9mm FMJ is loaded much hotter than normal range FMJ ammo. They have it at walmarts around me in abundance, for $17/50 rounds I think?
 
The couple times I bought UMC 9mm (for too much money, during the height of the ammo shortage when I couldn't find WWB), I was shocked at how underpowered it felt and was actually amazed it ran my pistol at all. I don't know if it was an underpowered lot or what, and I didn't chrono it, but there is no way the stuff I had would have been making legal 125 power factor for IDPA, for instance. The felt recoil was well under that of WWB, which recoils about the same as my 115gr handload that runs ~1108 fps from my G19, which is IDPA legal, but not by a huge margin.
 
So not all ball is equal. What brands are on the "hot" side of things, as my Glock likes hot ammo and I need to buy more ammo.

This appears to be the pertinent question at hand. Comedy routines and snide comments are not on-topic.
 
A moderately hot 9mm FMJ that I have used is the Fiocchi 115gr 9AP, muzzle velocity 1250 fps, energy 400 ft lbf.
 
Because we all know american machines are less likely to produce error than machines manufactured somewhere else for the same purpose, right?
When it comes to ammo I do look at brands for self defense, oddly enough I don't make a distinction as to the phonetics of the name on the box.
 
Generally what brand has the hottest ball ammo?

It actually depends on the caliber and sometimes the individual load. You could try using heavier bullets, but if you like 115 grain loads in 9mm, then according to their specs Sellier & Bellot and Fiocchi make some pretty hot ones, moving at 1280 fps and 1260 fps, respectively. However, they do use longer test barrels than the usual standard for American manufacturers, so it's quite possible that one of Remington's offerings, product code R9MM6 (Express as opposed to UMC), is even hotter at 1250 fps out of a 4" barrel. Speer Lawman clocks in at 1200 fps, Winchester White Box at 1190 fps, and Federal American Eagle at 1180 fps (it's usually a bit hotter than WWB, but like I said it depends on the specific load). They're all hotter than UMC says it is, and probably a lot hotter still in reality. Now, if you really want a hot 115 grain FMJ, then DoubleTap has a +P load that gets up to 1395 fps, but it'll cost you.
 
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What about Aguila? Anyone have experience with that brand?

There is a source of Fiocchi where I live and like other posters I too think it is a good hot load, but it is pricey here. Aguila is very common. Good stuff?
 
I'm running 124 grn lead bullets through my g17 at around 1000 fps without issue. I'm surprised at your issues.
 
wow that is crazy, i can't believe that it gave you an issue. normally good guns and good ammo make for good relible shooting. thanks for sharing.
 
I have heard reports of some under powered UMC ammo in the past. I Had a personal run in with some factory UMC 40S&W that chrono'd in at 745-800 fps out of a G35 !!!! When the G35 would eject the brass (and not jam), it was ejecting it at one o'clock .

If you have another 9mm Glock, try running the same ammo in it.

I have intentionally downloaded some 115gr 9mm reloads to around 1000 fps to see if my Gen4 G17 would still cycle them, and it did.

I load my training ammo to 1200fps for use in my G17/G19/G26. No issues so far.
 
I know how you feel. My .357 revolver jammed 5-6 times last time I shot it and I ... nah, not really. I just said that to make you feel better. Actually, it's never jammed. Neither has my S&W 659 9mm. Or my S&W 645.

But there's always a chance that something will go wrong...go wrong...go wro...[hic]. The wrong ammo/gun combination is like a bad marriage, only it can kill you (where a bad marriage just makes one miserable).

The worst thing about Glocks is that they jam when limp-wristed. Normally that's not a problem, but if one is injured in a confrontation, one might not have the full use of our muscles or nerves. We have to learn how to reload magazines if injured, so it's not inconceivabe that an injury might impact how we hold a gun.

The Glock's reputation is otherwise exemplary. Unless you have another gun, I guess someone's going to get some free ammo.
 
i just shot some WWB, rem UMC and RWS, and i will say this

the UMC was by far the weakest in the recoil department, and i also noticed a drop in accuracy with it

i wont be buying it again, especially since i can get the RWS for $13/50rds, which is $2 cheaper than the rem, and on par with the WWB
 
+1 on the RWS..I don't have a Glock, but it definately cycles in my BHP better than other ball ammo I've tried (I do have the beefier 18.5lb spring)..and the price is right.
 
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