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Glock kaBooms
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sarduy
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looks like the case fail
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Wow, that's impressive. Hope you're ok.
Was it a G26 or 27? What kind of ammo? Have you been able to get ahold of the ammo manufacturer?
Was it a G26 or 27? What kind of ammo? Have you been able to get ahold of the ammo manufacturer?
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I have G17 I bought NIB back in the 1980s and have hand loaded for it since. I load hot JHPs of any type, Gold Dots, XTPs, Golden Saber, you name it, and it has probably been loaded and put through it without any issues. I'm pretty maticulous though when it comes to hand loading, with respect to seating just behind the lands, keeping my brass trimmed, and I weigh every charge. Mine has probably had 20,000 rounds through it, and maybe 1 out of a thousand will fail to feed properly. The strange thing is, a lot of people back then were complaining about those first G17s having feeding problems, but most that I recall were with factory loads. One person in particular bought their G17 at the same ahop and time I did, and became a shooting buddy. He had constant porblems with reliable cycling until I put a box of reloads in his hand. Problem solved.
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It's a Glock 27 Gen 4.
I contacted the ammo company. I sent them pictures, they said the gun "fired out of battery". They blamed the gun but said they will work with me on a replacement (at no charge to me). They want me to send them the gun and any ammo and cases -including the box. I would rather not say what kind of ammo at this time, sounds like they will help.
I got a 9 stitches on my finger. No big deal I am lucky and have great health insurance. I am only looking to get my gun replaced.
Ok so maybe I should not have been so upset with Glock. Sounds like most people say it's the ammo. I do find lots of people on the internet who have had KaBooms with .40 cal Glocks.
I contacted the ammo company. I sent them pictures, they said the gun "fired out of battery". They blamed the gun but said they will work with me on a replacement (at no charge to me). They want me to send them the gun and any ammo and cases -including the box. I would rather not say what kind of ammo at this time, sounds like they will help.
I got a 9 stitches on my finger. No big deal I am lucky and have great health insurance. I am only looking to get my gun replaced.
Ok so maybe I should not have been so upset with Glock. Sounds like most people say it's the ammo. I do find lots of people on the internet who have had KaBooms with .40 cal Glocks.
It's possible that it fired slightly OOB. My Glocks can fire very slightly OOB. Breech still fully closed, but the hood starting to slide down.
If it fired OOB in a Glock, the primer mark would be offcenter. Hmm.. It looks like you don't have a primer left in there, at all! I think that's more in line with overpressure than OOB.
Glad the manufacturer is working with you. They are probably performing CYA by blaming the gun, until they have more info.
If it fired OOB in a Glock, the primer mark would be offcenter. Hmm.. It looks like you don't have a primer left in there, at all! I think that's more in line with overpressure than OOB.
Glad the manufacturer is working with you. They are probably performing CYA by blaming the gun, until they have more info.
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I have THOUSANDS of practice rounds through my G27. My instructor recommended converting to 9mm for financial reasons based on the number of rounds I shoot, but I said, no. I want to consistantly train with what I carry, no matter the extra few dollars. And my stock barrelled, stock glock shows no signs of damage or of slowing down whatsoever. Thousands of rounds. multiple, thousands, of thousands of rounds. Use commercial jacketed ammo, and not lead re-loads and I'm willing to bet you a thousand dollars cash that you couldn't MAKE the gun go kaboom unless you violated or abused it in some intentional way.
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I guess I'm just lucky. I put 125 rounds through my new G 23 yesterday in just a few minutes. I still have all my fingers. But I never fire reloads and I use fmj. I plan on firing at least 150 rounds or more tomorrow. I'm trying to "get to know" the thing so I'll feel comfortable carrying it instead of the G 26. Only problem I'm having is keeping it on target after the first 2 shots. Even though more than 2 should't be required it would be nice to have the ability. The 9mm had me a bit spoiled.
Have 500 through my new g23. Not a signle hiccup yet..as expected. Wouldn't trade it for anything.
TheQMan- I thought of getting the 9mm barrel for my g23 for practice since I like to shoot my max budget of ammo, but also decided it would be better to practice with what I would carry everyday, .40SW. As this is my only gun now that's fine. Now when I get several more in the future, a 9mm will fall in sometime to the line up, then I'll get a 40-9 barrel so depending what I have in ammo will allow more option..at the range.
TheQMan- I thought of getting the 9mm barrel for my g23 for practice since I like to shoot my max budget of ammo, but also decided it would be better to practice with what I would carry everyday, .40SW. As this is my only gun now that's fine. Now when I get several more in the future, a 9mm will fall in sometime to the line up, then I'll get a 40-9 barrel so depending what I have in ammo will allow more option..at the range.
Here's a picture of a G23 KB from another forum I visit, I think they determined that it was the fault of the ammunition and not the pistol itself.
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4943382/1/glock_23_kaboom
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4943382/1/glock_23_kaboom
Rim- and cartridge-mouth support!??
QUOTE: " The case head/web didn't blow out so much as the RIM did. I suspect this to be ammo-related." End Q. Aren't the RIM and the primer points where the "supposed un-support" occurs? The mouth of the case is all the way inside the bore when it goes off. Or do I have your terms misconstrued?
QUOTE: " The case head/web didn't blow out so much as the RIM did. I suspect this to be ammo-related." End Q. Aren't the RIM and the primer points where the "supposed un-support" occurs? The mouth of the case is all the way inside the bore when it goes off. Or do I have your terms misconstrued?
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Hornady sent me a new Glock 27. Said they "will work it out with Glock". Either way I don't care, I have a replacement. I can't say I hate Glock, just want to share my experience. Hope this does not happen to anyone else.
I might trade it in for a Glock 17 or 19. Maybe a 1911. Not sure yet.
BTW Hornady was great to work with. The person I worked with at Glock said they never heard of Hornady and I should use name brand ammo.
I have never "violated or abused it in some intentional way" or shot lead or reloads.
I might trade it in for a Glock 17 or 19. Maybe a 1911. Not sure yet.
BTW Hornady was great to work with. The person I worked with at Glock said they never heard of Hornady and I should use name brand ammo.
I have never "violated or abused it in some intentional way" or shot lead or reloads.
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Glock 40 cals will kaboom now and then and Glock 45's were stopped being issued to LAPD as of the kaboom issue.
But I have never heard of a kaboom in a G19 or G26.
9mm should safe. I know experts that will NOT buy a Glock in 40 or 45.
But I have never heard of a kaboom in a G19 or G26.
9mm should safe. I know experts that will NOT buy a Glock in 40 or 45.
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Which experts will NOT buy a Glock in 40 or 45? It is good to know who to talk to because if I get a Glock it would be in .40 S&W. I like the 9mm but am set up for the .40 and would like to continue. Thanks,
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Yeah, I probably said that wrong. I meant the web didn't blow so much as the case head and rim.
The primer point (back of the case head) is supported by the breech face. This is true in all guns. The rim, OTOH, is not supported in any handgun I know of, except single shots and old time Smith revolvers with recessed cylinders.
Yeah that's right. The web is nowhere near the mouth. It's the thicker part of the brass near the base, ahead of the rim. This is the part that is fully supported in some guns, but not in Glocks.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...a=X&ei=IOtxTf2rNZPEgAe0gK2hAw&ved=0CBsQ9QEwAg
Here's a pic of what looks like an overcharge and/or obstruction. The web is completely blown apart, but the rim and primer pocket are intact.
The way the OP's case separated in the middle and shows scuffing of the rim suggests the extractor was trying to rip the cartridge out while pressure was still too high. So OOB is a reasonable explanation.
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I know of two Glock KB's. Both were ammo related.
KB 1 the owner's reloading mentor told him the manual's listed charges are weak and it was safe to go over max loads by a grain or two. He fired off a round which cracked the frame on his G-22. He bought a new frame from Glock. Fixed it and sold the gun.
KB 2 the owner had his daughter helping him reload on a RCBS progressive. The daughter threw a double charge of 231 on some of the rounds. He thought he got all the double charged rounds out of the bin but he missed one. Blew the mag out. We went out shooting and he was shooting his 35. I saw some empty brass and asked what was up with his funny looking brass. Turns out the barrel in the chamber area was cracked and cracked the trigger. My point is the 35 took a double charge of 231 and still functioned!
KB 1 the owner's reloading mentor told him the manual's listed charges are weak and it was safe to go over max loads by a grain or two. He fired off a round which cracked the frame on his G-22. He bought a new frame from Glock. Fixed it and sold the gun.
KB 2 the owner had his daughter helping him reload on a RCBS progressive. The daughter threw a double charge of 231 on some of the rounds. He thought he got all the double charged rounds out of the bin but he missed one. Blew the mag out. We went out shooting and he was shooting his 35. I saw some empty brass and asked what was up with his funny looking brass. Turns out the barrel in the chamber area was cracked and cracked the trigger. My point is the 35 took a double charge of 231 and still functioned!
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And if they all jumped off the Empire State Building, would you join them?
I am not in the Glock fan club, but I do own an airsoft Glock impersonator
; yeah, Glocks kaBoom, but it sure doesn't appear to occur at a greater frequency than almost any other make seems to spontaneously suffer explosive disassembly.- Status
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