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Glock "Law Enforcement Only Pistols" Pisses me off!

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I've had several poly frame pistols but never a Glock. I was looking for a small back up poly frame in .380 for my girl friend who is interested and figured I'd check out Glock and give them a shot. To my dismay I found that Glock will only make those pistols for Law Enforcement.

In my eyes Glock is basically saying to me the "average citizen" sorry civilian your needs for concealment and security are not as important as our Law Enforcement friends.

It makes no sense at all to me. I will never buy a Glock. I encourage anyone who thinks this is stupid to contact Glock and tell them so. I already did a moment ago via email.
 
your anger is misdirected...

Glock does not limit the sale of these pistols to law enforcement. it is the federal government.

They do not meet the atf requirements to be imported, and therefore are only available for law enforcement through special purchase.
 
Salmoneye,

It doesn't matter if its to much or not. The point is that they are choosing not to give those options to your average guy. Why should just LE get to have the .380? Its so stupid its beyond me. She is very comfortable with the .380 not so much with the 9x19 and up.
 
like I said...

it is not glock, but the ATF that says you cannot have one. Im sure glock would love to sell them here if they could. But pistols that are imported have to meet certain requirements, and the 380 cal glocks do not.
 
It makes no sense at all to me. I will never buy a Glock. I encourage anyone who thinks this is stupid to contact Glock and tell them so. I already did a moment ago via email.
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I agree it is stupid, but it is not Glock's fault and they couldn't do anything about it even if they wanted to. The Gun Control Act of 1968 (think sporting purposes) has a points system which works off of a gun's features and size and requires that every gun reach a certain point threshold before it is able to be imported. An example of a company getting around this is that the German made PPK was slightly too small to reach a point value to be imported, so Walther stuck on the lower frame of a PP (thus creating the PPK/S) which got the gun just enough points to be imported. Guns made in the US don't have to bother with this system.

The Glock .380 does not meet the point threshold (by only a few points I'm told) and is therefore illegal for importation for general sale. There is an exception for LEOs who order on department letterhead (similar in concept to the way that police get new MGs with a demo letter, though there's no need for a FFL SOT for the Glock) which is why law enforcement are able to get the Glock .380 pistols. Occasionally a LEO decides to sell his privately owned .380 Glock and they usually go for a bit more than your average used G19. They are completely legal for non LEOs to buy, its just hard to find any.
 
Telekinesis,
Interestingly its my PPK in .380 that she enjoys shootings. I was just looking to up the round count.
 
I didn't know any of this until I read that other thread a short time ago. I also like the .380. My wife carries a Bodyguard and my PPK is one of my favorites. The Beretta 84 is on my tax-refund list as well. I'd rock a Glock in .380. And it is stupid. It really doesn't make sense.
 
Its just so damn stupid its beyond comprehension...................
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No, it isn't.
You have missed the point entirely.

If there was a market for a full size duty pistol .380 Glock?
Or any other brand?
Glock and others are fully capable of making them in the USA and bypassing the import rules.

But there is NO Demand other then from Glock collectors for a .380 blow-back operated pistol the same size as a 9mm locked-breech duty pistol that is easier to operate, probably more reliable, holds the same number of a more powerful cartridge, and doesn't kick as hard..

The only place in the world they sell them is in 3rd. world countries who have Draconian gun-control laws that do not allow the common people to own "military" 9mm caliber handguns.

rc
 
fivetwoseven

Shes shot a 92f before she can take it. The .380 just feels right. Maybe I would feel that way too if I was only 110 pounds give or take.
 
rcmodel

Yes it is stupid, you'll never convince me otherwise. Sorry agree to disagree. I see two guys in this thread who would buy a Glock .380 and I've never had a Glock.
 
dprice3844444

Yes, I was in the Army 3 years in the first Gulf War. 1/187th Infantry Rakkasan
 
This actually came as a shock to me. Why can't they import that gun. And what right, besides being goverment employed pencil pushing liberals does the ATF have to not allow the .380 Auto over here?!
 
I would think that a gen 4 9mm would probably have less recoil than just about a y of the 380s around. The Baretta 84 380 is usually considered low recoil, but it is more than my gen 4 17 using the same ammo brand and series. You really have to try them, recoil is very much a subjective feel and not something that does not vary from person to person.
 
Believe me, a Glock G26 or G19 is a lot easier to shoot than a Ruger LCP. That said, my wife started carrying a G26 then got an LCP. The 9mm with 12+1 (finger extension) weighs 27 oz. The LCP, 6+1, is less than 12 oz. Guess which one goes in the Galco?

That LCP can put seven rounds in a six-inch paper plate at ten feet in about three seconds. But it's a snappy little gun and a mother to handle, even with a finger extension. Don't ask about the trigger pull. But, it's in the purse. The 9mm is on the night stand.
 
Some of you young gun kids need to study the history of gun control in the USA, the politics involved, and especially the 1968 Gun Control Act.

And probably join the NRA and regester to vote while you are at it!

Here are the "Import Points" assigned by the 1968 GCA intended to stop the import of cheap Saturday night SPecials.
Unfortunately, it also stopped the import of a lot of other wonderful guns, including the Baby Browning, the Astra Cub, the Beretta 950, the Walther PPK, and later, the Glock 28.

Here are what is required under federal law to import a pistol:
Pistols: A pistol must earn at least 75 points from the following characteristic areas:

Overall Length For each 1/4" over 6", 1 pt.
Frame Construction If investment cast or forged steel, 15 pts.; if investment cast or forged HTS alloy, 20 pts.
Weight One pt. per ounce; most pistols weigh between 15-40 ounces.
Caliber If between .22 LR and .380 ACP, 3 pts.; if 9mm or larger, 10 pts.
Safety Features Firing pin block or lock, 10 pts.; locked breech, loaded chamber indicator and magazine safety, 5 pts. each; grip safety, 3 pts.
Misc. Equipment Double-action mechanism, 10 pts.; click adjustble target sight, 10 pts.; drift adjustable target sight, 5 pts.; target grips, 5 pts.; target trigger and external hammer, 2 pts. each.

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